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#1  Edited By BassMan
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So, it looks like the next gen Nvidia cards are not just getting a name change, but the Ti variant may be available at launch as well. This is most interesting and very tempting if the price is right. I guess we will find out with the official announcement from Nvidia on Monday morning at 9 AM PST. I can't wait to see some benchmarks and clock speeds.

https://videocardz.com/77369/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-ti-features-4352-cuda-cores

The regular 2080 looks half-ass and I am wondering if the Ti is what the 2080 would have normally been. Also, if the Ti is coming out right away, what else does Nvidia have up their sleeve down the line?

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#2  Edited By 04dcarraher
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They dont have anything up their sleeve per say for us.... . All this ray tracing tech is going to be squandered because by the time ray tracing actually get into games in any meaningful way. These sub $1k 1st gen RTX's wont be up to the task.

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@04dcarraher said:

They dont have anything up their sleeve per say for us.... . All this ray tracing tech is going to be squandered because by the time ray tracing actually get into games in any meaningful way. These sub $1k 1st gen RTX's wont be up to the task.

Exactly, its a pointless gimmick to sell the cards.

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@04dcarraher said:

They dont have anything up their sleeve per say for us.... . All this ray tracing tech is going to be squandered because by the time ray tracing actually get into games in any meaningful way. These sub $1k 1st gen RTX's wont be up to the task.

Yes, I don't care too much about the ray tracing stuff at this point in time as it is not full on ray tracing. Honestly, games already look amazing with current rasterization methods. I am more interested in the benchmarks for regular games. I want to see what performance jump I can get over my 1080 Ti.

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@BassMan: if the 2080ti will be released at the same time my guess is maybe the fastest card they will release after that will be a titan VI

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Yes, I don't care too much about the ray tracing stuff at this point in time as it is not full on ray tracing. Honestly, games already look amazing with current rasterization methods. I am more interested in the benchmarks for regular games. I want to see what performance jump I can get over my 1080 Ti.

The RTX ti will most likely to be 20-25% faster with normal games stock vs stock.

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#7  Edited By locus-solus
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pny rtx 2080 ti will be $1000 and the pny rtx 2080 will be $800 but could be just placeholder prices

https://www.tomshardware.com/news/geforce-rtx-2080-price-specs,37635.html

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@04dcarraher said:
@BassMan said:

Yes, I don't care too much about the ray tracing stuff at this point in time as it is not full on ray tracing. Honestly, games already look amazing with current rasterization methods. I am more interested in the benchmarks for regular games. I want to see what performance jump I can get over my 1080 Ti.

The RTX ti will most likely to be 20-25% faster with normal games stock vs stock.

Yeah ...

Tflops

1080 Ti = 11.34 Tflops

2080 Ti = 13.45 Tflops

(18.6% faster)

Memory

1080 Ti = 484 GB/s

2080 Ti = 616 GB/s

(27% faster)

So, it will be interesting to see how the memory and any architecture improvements from Pascal to Turing factor into the overall performance.

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@BassMan said:
@04dcarraher said:
@BassMan said:

Yes, I don't care too much about the ray tracing stuff at this point in time as it is not full on ray tracing. Honestly, games already look amazing with current rasterization methods. I am more interested in the benchmarks for regular games. I want to see what performance jump I can get over my 1080 Ti.

The RTX ti will most likely to be 20-25% faster with normal games stock vs stock.

Yeah ...

Tflops

1080 Ti = 11.34 Tflops

2080 Ti = 13.45 Tflops

(18.6% faster)

Memory

1080 Ti = 484 GB/s

2080 Ti = 616 GB/s

(27% faster)

So, it will be interesting to see how the memory and any architecture improvements from Pascal to Turing factor into the overall performance.

Pascal... at least when overclocked suffer from not enough memory bandwidth I believe.

Anyway I'm thinking about skipping this generation as well. If they increase the price above the current MRSP I am seriously considering AMD.

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#10  Edited By 04dcarraher
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@horgen said:
@BassMan said:
@04dcarraher said:
@BassMan said:

Yes, I don't care too much about the ray tracing stuff at this point in time as it is not full on ray tracing. Honestly, games already look amazing with current rasterization methods. I am more interested in the benchmarks for regular games. I want to see what performance jump I can get over my 1080 Ti.

The RTX ti will most likely to be 20-25% faster with normal games stock vs stock.

Yeah ...

Tflops

1080 Ti = 11.34 Tflops

2080 Ti = 13.45 Tflops

(18.6% faster)

Memory

1080 Ti = 484 GB/s

2080 Ti = 616 GB/s

(27% faster)

So, it will be interesting to see how the memory and any architecture improvements from Pascal to Turing factor into the overall performance.

Pascal... at least when overclocked suffer from not enough memory bandwidth I believe.

Anyway I'm thinking about skipping this generation as well. If they increase the price above the current MRSP I am seriously considering AMD.

With the 256bit bus with 10 gbps on the GTX 1080 it did suffer more , now the GTX 1080ti with its 352 bit bus and 11 gbps GDDR5x didn't suffer as much.

At 4k the memory bandwidth will help with the overall performance . So we will see what the memory bandwidth and any real improvements on the architecture do.

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Rumors going around that the 2080 (non ti) is basically gonna be 1080ti prices.

Gonna be pissed if they charge 1.5 year old 1080ti prices and then it only ends up being like 10% faster.......

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#12  Edited By Howmakewood
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@04dcarraher said:
@horgen said:
@BassMan said:
@04dcarraher said:

The RTX ti will most likely to be 20-25% faster with normal games stock vs stock.

Yeah ...

Tflops

1080 Ti = 11.34 Tflops

2080 Ti = 13.45 Tflops

(18.6% faster)

Memory

1080 Ti = 484 GB/s

2080 Ti = 616 GB/s

(27% faster)

So, it will be interesting to see how the memory and any architecture improvements from Pascal to Turing factor into the overall performance.

Pascal... at least when overclocked suffer from not enough memory bandwidth I believe.

Anyway I'm thinking about skipping this generation as well. If they increase the price above the current MRSP I am seriously considering AMD.

With the 256bit bus with 10 gbps on the GTX 1080 it did suffer more , now the GTX 1080ti with its 352 bit bus and 11 gbps GDDR5x didn't suffer as much.

At 4k the memory bandwidth will help with the overall performance . So we will see what the memory bandwidth and any real improvements on the architecture do.

memory bandwidth requirements need to be judged on the case by case basis, not all games for example require the same amount at same resolution, this is the same on work related gpu tasks as well

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#13  Edited By horgen  Moderator
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@howmakewood said:

memory bandwidth requirements need to be judged on the case by case basis, not all games for example require the same amount at same resolution, this is the same on work related gpu tasks as well

Of course, but I think in general the 1080 gained more than average on increased bandwidth.

It's faster than a 980Ti, but with less bandwidth. Isn't it?

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#14  Edited By Howmakewood
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@horgen said:
@howmakewood said:

memory bandwidth requirements need to be judged on the case by case basis, not all games for example require the same amount at same resolution, this is the same on work related gpu tasks as well

Of course, but I think in general the 1080 gained more than average on increased bandwidth.

It's faster than a 980Ti, but with less bandwidth. Isn't it?

That is true, 1080 runs on 256bit bus with 320gb/s bandwidth, 980ti on 384bit bus with 337gb/s bandwidth, but take in to consideration that Pascal also came with new version of DCC(Delta color compression), how much did it help? well that's hard to tell as we only have Nvidia's own promo material to go on:

This was a thing with 980ti vs AMD Fury X as well, while Fury X had higher bandwidth on specs with HBM 4096bit bus and 512gb/s they also had vastly inferior DCC compared to Nvidia, which lead to this:

So looking at the pure specs between different architectures doesn't really give you the right perspective

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@horgen said:
@howmakewood said:

memory bandwidth requirements need to be judged on the case by case basis, not all games for example require the same amount at same resolution, this is the same on work related gpu tasks as well

Of course, but I think in general the 1080 gained more than average on increased bandwidth.

It's faster than a 980Ti, but with less bandwidth. Isn't it?

Depending on the game But yes most games tested there was an increase.

GTX 1080 physically had 13 Gb/s less than 980ti, however Pascal had 4th gen delta color compression that allowed like 15% or more effective memory bandwidth over 980ti even with its 384bit bus and 70% increase over GTX 980.

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#16  Edited By Howmakewood
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@04dcarraher: Is there actually useful data on comparisons between 3rd and 4th gen DCC?

and yes it's pretty easy to test on games with built in benchmarking tools simply by overclocking the memory(which usually has plenty of headroom)

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@howmakewood said:

@04dcarraher: Is there actually useful data on comparisons between 3rd and 4th gen DCC?

and yes it's pretty easy to test on games with built in benchmarking tools simply by overclocking the memory(which usually has plenty of headroom)

I know there was a visual comparison between Maxwell vs Pascal and from Kepler to Maxwell. Then there was like 20%+ reduction of bandwidth usage with maxwell. And if Pascal compression increase by 1.2x from Maxwell. So i guess there around another 20% on top. around 40% decrease of bandwidth usage from Kelper to Pascal.

But as far as I know we can only use the Bandwidth per flop to get differences in parentage increase. But using different memory buses and or memory types and speeds its hard to test. I think there is an integer compression test that was used to gauge compression

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We need another GPU manufacturer, someone that takes it a lot more serious than Intel, I am considering switching to AMD at these prices.

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And here I am struggling to run Wolfenstein 2 on high settings because of poorly optimized areas on some levels.

I hope I won't encounter more modern lazy dev games like this in the near future or else I'll have to swap my GTX970.

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And here I am struggling to run Wolfenstein 2 on high settings because of poorly optimized areas on some levels.

I hope I won't encounter more modern lazy dev games like this in the near future or else I'll have to swap my GTX970.

I used to have 970 SLI, 980 Ti, 1080, and now 1080 Ti. I am thinking about upgrading to 2080 Ti. So, you are definitely due for an upgrade.

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#21  Edited By GeryGo  Moderator
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@BassMan said:
@PredatorRules said:

And here I am struggling to run Wolfenstein 2 on high settings because of poorly optimized areas on some levels.

I hope I won't encounter more modern lazy dev games like this in the near future or else I'll have to swap my GTX970.

I used to have 970 SLI, 980 Ti, 1080, and now 1080 Ti. I am thinking about upgrading to 2080 Ti. So, you are definitely due for an upgrade.

Haha I wish I could afford buying brand new GPU so frequently, I heard the upcoming 2060 would be equal in performance to 1080 but then again it'll probably have a price bump over the 1060 because AMD has neglected their GPU division and Nvidia can do whatever they want.

(2060 rumored to have a 70% performance bump over 1060)

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#22  Edited By 04dcarraher
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@PredatorRules said:
@BassMan said:
@PredatorRules said:

And here I am struggling to run Wolfenstein 2 on high settings because of poorly optimized areas on some levels.

I hope I won't encounter more modern lazy dev games like this in the near future or else I'll have to swap my GTX970.

I used to have 970 SLI, 980 Ti, 1080, and now 1080 Ti. I am thinking about upgrading to 2080 Ti. So, you are definitely due for an upgrade.

(2060 rumored to have a 70% performance bump over 1060)

I dont think its real. because the rumored specs of the 2060 is 1536 shading units, 128 texture mapping units and 32 ROPs with 4.7 TFLOPS. That looks like that should be between 1060 and 1070. Also with a 5gb pool sounds odd.

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#23  Edited By BassMan
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@PredatorRules said:
@BassMan said:
@PredatorRules said:

And here I am struggling to run Wolfenstein 2 on high settings because of poorly optimized areas on some levels.

I hope I won't encounter more modern lazy dev games like this in the near future or else I'll have to swap my GTX970.

I used to have 970 SLI, 980 Ti, 1080, and now 1080 Ti. I am thinking about upgrading to 2080 Ti. So, you are definitely due for an upgrade.

Haha I wish I could afford buying brand new GPU so frequently, I heard the upcoming 2060 would be equal in performance to 1080 but then again it'll probably have a price bump over the 1060 because AMD has neglected their GPU division and Nvidia can do whatever they want.

(2060 rumored to have a 70% performance bump over 1060)

My rate of upgrading is unnecessary for most, but I always want to play games maxed out at high resolutions and high frame rates. I also gave up on SLI. So, I keep buying the top end cards and selling the old ones.

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#24  Edited By GeryGo  Moderator
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@04dcarraher said:
@PredatorRules said:
@BassMan said:
@PredatorRules said:

And here I am struggling to run Wolfenstein 2 on high settings because of poorly optimized areas on some levels.

I hope I won't encounter more modern lazy dev games like this in the near future or else I'll have to swap my GTX970.

I used to have 970 SLI, 980 Ti, 1080, and now 1080 Ti. I am thinking about upgrading to 2080 Ti. So, you are definitely due for an upgrade.

(2060 rumored to have a 70% performance bump over 1060)

I dont think its real. because the rumored specs of the 2060 is 1536 shading units, 128 texture mapping units and 32 ROPs with 4.7 TFLOPS. That looks like that should be between 1060 and 1070. Also with a 5gb pool sounds odd.

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-2060-5gb-3dmark-score-allegedly-leaks-its-very-fast/

"NVIDIA GeForce GTX 2060 5GB – GTX 1080 Performance, Now In The Mid-Range, You read that right, if these numbers are to be believed, we’re looking at GTX 1080 performance in the mid-range with Turing. And not any GTX 1080 at that, but an overclocked GTX 1080."

Still with that been said AMD got nothing on Nvidia right now unless they drop their Vega card prices.

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@PredatorRules said:
@04dcarraher said:
@PredatorRules said:
@BassMan said:

I used to have 970 SLI, 980 Ti, 1080, and now 1080 Ti. I am thinking about upgrading to 2080 Ti. So, you are definitely due for an upgrade.

(2060 rumored to have a 70% performance bump over 1060)

I dont think its real. because the rumored specs of the 2060 is 1536 shading units, 128 texture mapping units and 32 ROPs with 4.7 TFLOPS. That looks like that should be between 1060 and 1070. Also with a 5gb pool sounds odd.

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-2060-5gb-3dmark-score-allegedly-leaks-its-very-fast/

"NVIDIA GeForce GTX 2060 5GB – GTX 1080 Performance, Now In The Mid-Range, You read that right, if these numbers are to be believed, we’re looking at GTX 1080 performance in the mid-range with Turing. And not any GTX 1080 at that, but an overclocked GTX 1080."

Still with that been said AMD got nothing on Nvidia right now unless they drop their Vega card prices.

I hope it is true. We need a big jump in performance with Turing across the whole lineup. Pascal came out so long ago.

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#26  Edited By 04dcarraher
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@BassMan said:
@PredatorRules said:
@04dcarraher said:
@PredatorRules said:

(2060 rumored to have a 70% performance bump over 1060)

I dont think its real. because the rumored specs of the 2060 is 1536 shading units, 128 texture mapping units and 32 ROPs with 4.7 TFLOPS. That looks like that should be between 1060 and 1070. Also with a 5gb pool sounds odd.

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-2060-5gb-3dmark-score-allegedly-leaks-its-very-fast/

"NVIDIA GeForce GTX 2060 5GB – GTX 1080 Performance, Now In The Mid-Range, You read that right, if these numbers are to be believed, we’re looking at GTX 1080 performance in the mid-range with Turing. And not any GTX 1080 at that, but an overclocked GTX 1080."

Still with that been said AMD got nothing on Nvidia right now unless they drop their Vega card prices.

I hope it is true. We need a big jump in performance with Turing across the whole lineup. Pascal came out so long ago.

Here is the thing 1080's score tend to average around 18k all the way to 20k for good OC, yet the article states the GTX2060 scoring 15894 that's more in line with a GTX1070 which can score abit above 15k.

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If we ignore the high-end cards for a minute (and the cost-per-performance debate) and focus on the medium-performance cards, this new generation is a significant upgrade. I think that's really cool, especially if a 2060/2070 is priced within 100 dollars of 1060/1070 prices, while offering 1080-equivalent performance.

I generally try to buy the high-end cards because I only upgrade once every five years or so, but I might actually go with a mid-grade card this time.

So few games these days actually take advantage of this stuff, I'd rather they just run well than run pretty. Though I do plan on making the jump to 4K at the same time, so we shall see.

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@04dcarraher said:
@BassMan said:
@PredatorRules said:
@04dcarraher said:
@PredatorRules said:

(2060 rumored to have a 70% performance bump over 1060)

I dont think its real. because the rumored specs of the 2060 is 1536 shading units, 128 texture mapping units and 32 ROPs with 4.7 TFLOPS. That looks like that should be between 1060 and 1070. Also with a 5gb pool sounds odd.

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-gtx-2060-5gb-3dmark-score-allegedly-leaks-its-very-fast/

"NVIDIA GeForce GTX 2060 5GB – GTX 1080 Performance, Now In The Mid-Range, You read that right, if these numbers are to be believed, we’re looking at GTX 1080 performance in the mid-range with Turing. And not any GTX 1080 at that, but an overclocked GTX 1080."

Still with that been said AMD got nothing on Nvidia right now unless they drop their Vega card prices.

I hope it is true. We need a big jump in performance with Turing across the whole lineup. Pascal came out so long ago.

Here is the thing 1080's score tend to average around 18k all the way to 20k for good OC, yet the article states the GTX2060 scoring 15894 that's more in line with a GTX1070 which can score abit above 15k.

So you're saying it's more of 1070Ti performance? it really depends on the CPU as well with those scores.

I do see that GTX1080 with an i7 can score up to 18-20K, thing I find kind of really odd is that the guy who leaked the performance doesn't show up with what CPU he teamed up that GTX2060

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@mrbojangles25 said:

If we ignore the high-end cards for a minute (and the cost-per-performance debate) and focus on the medium-performance cards, this new generation is a significant upgrade. I think that's really cool, especially if a 2060/2070 is priced within 100 dollars of 1060/1070 prices, while offering 1080-equivalent performance.

I generally try to buy the high-end cards because I only upgrade once every five years or so, but I might actually go with a mid-grade card this time.

So few games these days actually take advantage of this stuff, I'd rather they just run well than run pretty. Though I do plan on making the jump to 4K at the same time, so we shall see.

Mid range cards are more than enough for most people. It all comes down to what you are trying to achieve. For me.... 4K/60hz and 3440x1440/120hz are what I play at (usually Ultra). Both of those are very demanding. That is why I only focus on the top cards and definitely put them to good use.

Now there are 4K/144hz monitors and soon 3440x1440/200hz. So, there is definitely the need for the GPU tech to keep advancing.

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@PredatorRules:

Im thinking its fake too many errors in the test image.... Its not uncommon to see aftermarket normal 1070's to get 15k to 16k. So I would say if try its more inline of a GTX 1070 performance bracket based on the image. But the other leaked* rumor says that 2060 is suppose be between a 1060 and 1070, if so 5gb buffer spec makes more sense than 5gb GTX 1080 like gpu.

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Official specs and pricing...

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I love the way this founders edition looks!

The spec gaps don't make much sense to me. The 2070 and 2080 are MUCH closer than the 2080 and 2080Ti. That price difference between the 2080 and 2080Ti might be justified here...

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#33  Edited By BassMan
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Yeah, I like the new look of the FE and the dual fan (non blower) design is long overdue. However, those prices are fucking ridiculous. Ray tracing does not warrant that kind of premium and the card would have to be way faster than a 1080 Ti on regular games to justify the price. I will just wait it out with my 1080 Ti for some benchmarks.

1080 Ti launched at $699 FFS! Now they are trying to launch the 2080 Ti for $999 and $1199 FE. Cunts.

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#34 Grey_Eyed_Elf
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Watched the whole conference live... The lack of performance comparisons has me worried, it seems like ray tracing added a premium to manufacturing which in turn may have fudged up the price to performance we are use to getting over past generations i.e. the Mid tier card outperforming the last gen Ti like the 1070 did with the 980 Ti and the 970 did with the 780 Ti but costing less than the last generation 980/780 tier card.

We might be looking at :

  • RTX 2070 = 1080 OC level of performance at 1080 launch prices BUT supports ray tracing
  • RTX 2080 = 1080 ti OC level of performance at 1080 ti launch prices BUT supports ray tracing
  • RTX 2080 Ti = Titan Volta level of performance at Titan Pascal launch prices BUT supports ray tracing

The 2080 Ti might be THE only card in terms of price and performance that actually makes sense other wise they wouldn't have released it now and with a drastic price increase over the last generation Ti's.

I am a little suspicious as to why there where no benchmarks... If it was good they surely would boast about it?

The Cuda cores and memory bandwidth alone make me question the performance over these cards and the current generation.

The elephant in the room is what impact on performance is ray tracing going to have on these cards and how many games will support it let alone how many games will nativelly support it to the point where it visually justifies the performance impact?... Too many questions and not enough answers to justify a pre-order of the most expensive series I have seen yet.

They could have atleast show FarCry 5 running at 4K Ultra compared to 1080 Ti to show the performance difference.

I am disappointed in both the lack of performance information and price and in ray tracing... Honestly didn't look that impressive at all, not worth the hype one bit so far.

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#35  Edited By Howmakewood
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The only card to beat 1080ti in raw performance is the 2080ti so I'm not rushing to pay that out of my own pocket, maybe next year when I can mark it down for tax deducts when there's more titles to support ray tracing as well

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#36 sakaiXx
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Can't wait for the 2060.

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@Grey_Eyed_Elf: I agree with your general sentiment. I was not impressed by this launch at all. The price first and foremost for the 2080 Ti is outrageous. Ray Tracing is not all that impressive with its limited implementation. Also, the lack of performance info is worrying. Definitely no real incentive to pre-order when they haven't shown anything to justify spending that much money. Nvidia seems like a snake oil salesman at this point and I am not falling for it.

I have been buying Nvidia cards since the original Riva TNT. I have always been a supporter of their hardware and forgiven them for many of their wrongdoings, but this whole Turing launch is seriously rubbing me the wrong way. I still remember when the flagship card was no more than $499 with each generation. All these Titans and other bullshit have ruined GPU pricing. $1000+ for a Ti card is almost criminal.

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#38 Howmakewood
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@BassMan: You take a look at the specs sheets on Nvidia's site and notice that they have completely left out TFLOPS on Turing cards too

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#39 BassMan
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@howmakewood said:

@BassMan: You take a look at the specs sheets on Nvidia's site and notice that they have completely left out TFLOPS on Turing cards too

Yeah, some shady shit going on.

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#40 GeryGo  Moderator
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@BassMan said:
@howmakewood said:

@BassMan: You take a look at the specs sheets on Nvidia's site and notice that they have completely left out TFLOPS on Turing cards too

Yeah, some shady shit going on.

Don't tell me their about to do some GTX970 3.5Gb fast VRAM and rest went out to be slower RAM kind of BS

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#41 horgen  Moderator
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@PredatorRules said:
@BassMan said:
@howmakewood said:

@BassMan: You take a look at the specs sheets on Nvidia's site and notice that they have completely left out TFLOPS on Turing cards too

Yeah, some shady shit going on.

Don't tell me their about to do some GTX970 3.5Gb fast VRAM and rest went out to be slower RAM kind of BS

I don't think the improvement is that big this time. They are most likely trying to sell as many cards through preorder as possible before the reviews comes out.

@BassMan said:

@Grey_Eyed_Elf: I agree with your general sentiment. I was not impressed by this launch at all. The price first and foremost for the 2080 Ti is outrageous. Ray Tracing is not all that impressive with its limited implementation. Also, the lack of performance info is worrying. Definitely no real incentive to pre-order when they haven't shown anything to justify spending that much money. Nvidia seems like a snake oil salesman at this point and I am not falling for it.

I have been buying Nvidia cards since the original Riva TNT. I have always been a supporter of their hardware and forgiven them for many of their wrongdoings, but this whole Turing launch is seriously rubbing me the wrong way. I still remember when the flagship card was no more than $499 with each generation. All these Titans and other bullshit have ruined GPU pricing. $1000+ for a Ti card is almost criminal.

The 2070 cost more or equal to 680 did when it was brand new. And now we got both 2080 and 2080Ti above the 2070, 680 was their top line card when it was released. I hate this development.

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@horgen said:

The 2070 cost more or equal to 680 did when it was brand new. And now we got both 2080 and 2080Ti above the 2070, 680 was their top line card when it was released. I hate this development.

Yes, but back in the 680 days, AMD had the more expensive 7970 on the market, so nvidia had to compete by offering their best GPU at a lower price point. AMD had jack shit since forever, so no wander that nvidia is using this to their advantage, just like AMD did with 7970.

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#43  Edited By 04dcarraher
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When it comes to normal rendering in games. I believe the 2070 will be on par with stock 1080 at best , with the info we have now its looking like its a 7.4 TFLOP gpu vs a 8.8 TFLOP gpu. We know 1080's when overclocked can go abit above 10 TFLOP when core clock is nearly at 2ghz. then 2080 wont be even be close to 1080ti level of performance, Just from the specs the TFLOP level from stock 2080 is equal to a 2ghz GTX 1080. So it should be about 15-20% faster than an overclocked GTX 1080 at 2 ghz with its faster memory.

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#44  Edited By mrbojangles25
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lol the haters in System Wars are going nuts. I just can't fathom why, this is good for everyone.

Can't wait to see what the competition does, too, especially in regards to Intel possibly joining the fray within the next year or so.

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#45  Edited By Grey_Eyed_Elf
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@mrbojangles25 said:

lol the haters in System Wars are going nuts. I just can't fathom why, this is good for everyone.

Can't wait to see what the competition does, too, especially in regards to Intel possibly joining the fray within the next year or so.

Intel's GPU is 2 years away and AMD's navi architecture is a power draw improvement i.e. a more effecient Vega and is still GCN based which hit its limits with 64 Rops.... Meaning Navi will be a smaller NM process with 64 rops that is more a efficient no high end GPU that will compete with Nvidia.

There is no competition, well not till 2020 looking at AMD's road map and intel's lose plans.

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@04dcarraher said:

When it comes to normal rendering in games. I believe the 2070 will be on par with stock 1080 at best , with the info we have now its looking like its a 7.4 TFLOP gpu vs a 8.8 TFLOP gpu. We know 1080's when overclocked can go abit above 10 TFLOP when core clock is nearly at 2ghz. then 2080 wont be even be close to 1080ti level of performance, Just from the specs the TFLOP level from stock 2080 is equal to a 2ghz GTX 1080. So it should be about 15-20% faster than an overclocked GTX 1080 at 2 ghz with its faster memory.

I got this feeling as well. Maxwell to Pascall was a big jump. Much bigger than normal. But this? Seems lackluster.

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#47 04dcarraher
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Also, IMO..... Anyone that has GTX 1070 or better should hold out until 7nm next year, because I can see them coming out with a Turing refresh with 7nm and that might be worth upgrading to. If prices aren't too high

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#48  Edited By BassMan
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@04dcarraher said:

Also, IMO..... Anyone that has GTX 1070 or better should hold out until 7nm next year, because I can see them coming out with a Turing refresh with 7nm and that might be worth upgrading to. If prices aren't too high

Yes, but I would be ready to upgrade now if the price and performance was good with the 2080 Ti. Neither seems to be the case. So, I will wait it out for the 7nm.

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I'm curious to see the benches. My config goes between a single or dual 1080ti (single at the moment) and if this is a decent enough improvement for single card configs I may pull the trigger.

-Byshop

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#50  Edited By BassMan
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Finally, we are starting to get some information about performance....

https://www.dsogaming.com/news/first-nvidia-geforce-rtx2080-gaming-benchmarks-revealed-50-faster-in-some-games-than-the-gtx1080-almost-100-faster-with-dlss/

I am still not sure about this DLSS as they keep comparing it to games that are running TAA. I don't use AA at 4K. It seems to be based on some kind of predictive pixel tech that fills in the pixels for more efficiency. It doesn't seem to be natively rendering all pixels in each frame.