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#1 Joe77
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Is this PC worth the money?

AMD 9590 8 core 4.7 ghz

Radeon r9 380 4gb graphics card

16gb 1866 hyperx ram

2 tb hard drive

price £884

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#2  Edited By 04dcarraher
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No

*edit*

Here is better option for less

LINK

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#3  Edited By GeryGo  Moderator
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@Joe77 said:

Is this PC worth the money?

AMD 9590 8 core 4.7 ghz

Radeon r9 380 4gb graphics card

16gb 1866 hyperx ram

2 tb hard drive

price £884

CPU change to i5, get 390, reduce RAM to 8Gb - unless it's from Black Friday sales so yeah why not.

EDIT: @04dcarraher built is more or less the idea I've suggested :P

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#4  Edited By Joe77
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I'd rather have the build I suggested. Surely a 4.7 ghz 8 core is better than a 3.3 ghz 4 core. 16gb ram on my system, I think games will start using 16gb soon. 2 tb hard drive as opposed to 1 tb on your system. The only thing that's better on your system is the graphics card.

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#5 Coseniath
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@Joe77 said:

I'd rather have the build I suggested. Surely a 4.7 ghz 8 core is better than a 3.3 ghz 4 core. 16gb ram on my system, I think games will start using 16gb soon. 2 tb hard drive as opposed to 1 tb on your system. The only thing that's better on your system is the graphics card.

From this post, I can understand that you don't have so much knowledge about PCs.

GHz and core count isn't the only thing that matters to CPUs. One of the most important parts is also the IPC (aka Instructions per cycle) which Intel is far far far superior.

As you can see here an AMD 4.0GHz 8 core loses to an Intel 3.5GHz 2 core (with HT).

In today's games (ashes hasn't been released yet), like Fallout 4 this happens. You can see where the FX9590 is...

Games will need more than 8GB in the future, but this is something that you can just add.

And I think that @04dcarraher's build had an SSD apart from 1TB HDD.

And lastly you said it yourself the GPU is superior.

With other words? @04dcarraher's and @PredatorRules's suggestions are so superior that I wouldn't be surprised if they had double FPS in some scenarios....

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#6 04dcarraher
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@Coseniath said:
@Joe77 said:

I'd rather have the build I suggested. Surely a 4.7 ghz 8 core is better than a 3.3 ghz 4 core. 16gb ram on my system, I think games will start using 16gb soon. 2 tb hard drive as opposed to 1 tb on your system. The only thing that's better on your system is the graphics card.

From this post, I can understand that you don't have so much knowledge about PCs.

GHz and core count isn't the only thing that matters to CPUs. One of the most important parts is also the IPC (aka Instructions per cycle) which Intel is far far far superior.

As you can see here an AMD 4.0GHz 8 core loses to an Intel 3.5GHz 2 core (with HT).

In today's games (ashes hasn't been released yet), like Fallout 4 this happens. You can see where the FX9590 is...

Games will need more than 8GB in the future, but this is something that you can just add.

And I think that @04dcarraher's build had an SSD apart from 1TB HDD.

And lastly you said it yourself the GPU is superior.

With other words? @04dcarraher's and @PredatorRules's suggestions are so superior that I wouldn't be surprised if they had double FPS in some scenarios....

Yep, QFT

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#7 Joe77
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As you can see here an AMD 4.0GHz 8 core loses to an Intel 3.5GHz 2 core (with HT).

That's probably in single core performance.

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#8 GehringGame
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@Coseniath said:
@Joe77 said:

I'd rather have the build I suggested. Surely a 4.7 ghz 8 core is better than a 3.3 ghz 4 core. 16gb ram on my system, I think games will start using 16gb soon. 2 tb hard drive as opposed to 1 tb on your system. The only thing that's better on your system is the graphics card.

GHz and core count isn't the only thing that matters to CPUs. One of the most important parts is also the IPC (aka Instructions per cycle) which Intel is far far far superior.

Yes. Ten points to whatever house Coseniath is from. That post really covered it, but just to elaborate and reiterate:

Comparing the number of CPU cores is like comparing the number of cylinders in a car engine, if that analogy works for you. Take the good ol' Audi Quattro Group B rally car. In racing trim it produced upwards of 600 horsepower from a 5-cylinder engine. That's more than the modern (and also excellent) Lexus LFA, which has twice the number of cylinders. In the same way, a 4-core i5 CPU can be more powerful than an 8-core FX-9590.

AMD's multi-core FX series CPUs are good budget choices in specific applications (like media editing workstations or servers), but Intel's current CPUs are much more powerful per-core. Also, running a processor at 4.7 GHz makes a lot of heat and uses a lot of power. If you can get better performance at a lower clock speed, that's always the way to go.

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#9  Edited By 04dcarraher
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@Joe77 said:

As you can see here an AMD 4.0GHz 8 core loses to an Intel 3.5GHz 2 core (with HT).

That's probably in single core performance.

Nope, if it was single core usage the i3 would be right there with i5/i7.

Just trust us, that's why were here to help others out. Fact is unless a game is correctly coded to make use of 8 threads and not rely on single thread performance AMD FX8/9's cpus will lose to i5's all the time. Even with FX8350 vs i5 4690k where the FX 8350 has a 500 mhz higher clock is only on par with the Witcher 3 a game that is very well coded to use 8 threads. 99% of games i5 will do better than FX 8/9's, For the price of the FX9000's their a waste of money.

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#10 Coseniath
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@gehringgame: Gryffindor. XD

@Joe77 said:

As you can see here an AMD 4.0GHz 8 core loses to an Intel 3.5GHz 2 core (with HT).

That's probably in single core performance.

This is Ashes of Singularity, one of the two only DX12 games. I think its the most multithreaded game at the moment.

But this is your money, you can do anything you like with them.

We just told you what performance to expect and what performance you can buy with the same amount of money.

It's your decision after all.

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#11  Edited By Gaming-Planet
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You're better off with an i3 or i5 haswell or skylake build than an overclocked FX. Cheapest I'd go is an FX 8320(E).

Spend more on your GPU. For some reason prebuilds always opt for better CPUs. Never understood why or how that marketing tactic works.

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#12 insane_metalist
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Isn't 6600 or 6600K same price as 9590?

At this point there's no reason to go with FX series CPU's. It's a dead socket now while 1151 just came out.

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@insane_metalist said:

Isn't 6600 or 6600K same price as 9590?

At this point there's no reason to go with FX series CPU's. It's a dead socket now while 1151 just came out.

Also, if someone is really set on using AMD. Wait for Zen to come out (i'm hoping by 2nd quarter of 2016, but I've heard no official date other than 2016). Any leaks (rumors) say the CPU should be right in line with 3rd or maybe 4th gen i3/i5/i7 chips.

If you must build a PC now, then you'd only want to go with FX 9590 if you're just hardcore AMD fan and refuse to get Intel. The 9590 is just a power hungry CPU that creates a lot of heat. You'll be better off getting an i5 or i7 in the same price range as the 9590.

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#14 insane_metalist
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@neatfeatguy said:
@insane_metalist said:

Isn't 6600 or 6600K same price as 9590?

At this point there's no reason to go with FX series CPU's. It's a dead socket now while 1151 just came out.

Also, if someone is really set on using AMD. Wait for Zen to come out (i'm hoping by 2nd quarter of 2016, but I've heard no official date other than 2016). Any leaks (rumors) say the CPU should be right in line with 3rd or maybe 4th gen i3/i5/i7 chips.

If you must build a PC now, then you'd only want to go with FX 9590 if you're just hardcore AMD fan and refuse to get Intel. The 9590 is just a power hungry CPU that creates a lot of heat. You'll be better off getting an i5 or i7 in the same price range as the 9590.

Those bullshit rumors screw ppl over (the ones that don't know better). They were saying nothing but good things about Bulldozers too and then what happened? lol

An i7 will be like twice as much as that 9590 (current prices). While a 6600 can be had for around $200 and decent H170 mobos aren't expensive either. For around $300 he can get a CPU and a mobo.