***News*** Nvidia's 40nm generation should be a killer !!

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#1 wklzip
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Nvidia's 40nm generation should be a killer

Cebit 2009: High hopes


Nvidia's 40nm chip should be a great performer. This is what we got from the Cebit show, but we didn't actually get anything specific to back this bold claim up.

Nvidia learns from its mistakes, and it wants to win this round to make ATI look bad, that is the general goal. The claim comes from sources close to Nvidia, and naturally after quite a lot of messy rebranding, there might be some really new stuff coming in the next few months.

The one we really want to see out is GT218, a 40nm performance card, but from all we know this card shouldn't be out before Q3 2009 time, just in time to compete with ATI's RV8x0 architecture. We still don't know who might end up faster this round, as the stakes are really high for both players. Both sides already claim victory, but no one really knows the answer to this question today.

Fudzilla

I can see hope after the long road of too much renaming! :o

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#2 hofuldig
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Nvidia's 40nm generation should be a killer

Cebit 2009: High hopes


Nvidia's 40nm chip should be a great performer. This is what we got from the Cebit show, but we didn't actually get anything specific to back this bold claim up.

Nvidia learns from its mistakes, and it wants to win this round to make ATI look bad, that is the general goal. The claim comes from sources close to Nvidia, and naturally after quite a lot of messy rebranding, there might be some really new stuff coming in the next few months.

The one we really want to see out is GT218, a 40nm performance card, but from all we know this card shouldn't be out before Q3 2009 time, just in time to compete with ATI's RV8x0 architecture. We still don't know who might end up faster this round, as the stakes are really high for both players. Both sides already claim victory, but no one really knows the answer to this question today.

Fudzilla

I can see hope after the long road of too much renaming! :o

wklzip

40nm to be a great performer!? lol the chips they have out now are great performers. i mean they beat ATI's cards (mostly)

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[QUOTE="wklzip"]

Nvidia's 40nm generation should be a killer

Cebit 2009: High hopes


Nvidia's 40nm chip should be a great performer. This is what we got from the Cebit show, but we didn't actually get anything specific to back this bold claim up.

Nvidia learns from its mistakes, and it wants to win this round to make ATI look bad, that is the general goal. The claim comes from sources close to Nvidia, and naturally after quite a lot of messy rebranding, there might be some really new stuff coming in the next few months.

The one we really want to see out is GT218, a 40nm performance card, but from all we know this card shouldn't be out before Q3 2009 time, just in time to compete with ATI's RV8x0 architecture. We still don't know who might end up faster this round, as the stakes are really high for both players. Both sides already claim victory, but no one really knows the answer to this question today.

Fudzilla

I can see hope after the long road of too much renaming! :o

hofuldig

40nm to be a great performer!? lol the chips they have out now are great performers. i mean they beat ATI's cards (mostly)

Yeah, but it should cost much, much less after they go to 40nm.

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[QUOTE="wklzip"]

Nvidia's 40nm generation should be a killer

Cebit 2009: High hopes


Nvidia's 40nm chip should be a great performer. This is what we got from the Cebit show, but we didn't actually get anything specific to back this bold claim up.

Nvidia learns from its mistakes, and it wants to win this round to make ATI look bad, that is the general goal. The claim comes from sources close to Nvidia, and naturally after quite a lot of messy rebranding, there might be some really new stuff coming in the next few months.

The one we really want to see out is GT218, a 40nm performance card, but from all we know this card shouldn't be out before Q3 2009 time, just in time to compete with ATI's RV8x0 architecture. We still don't know who might end up faster this round, as the stakes are really high for both players. Both sides already claim victory, but no one really knows the answer to this question today.

Fudzilla

I can see hope after the long road of too much renaming! :o

hofuldig

40nm to be a great performer!? lol the chips they have out now are great performers. i mean they beat ATI's cards (mostly)

clock for clock, yes but in terms of value for money ATI are currently thrashing them.

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Iam not going to upgrade until i can get a card that offer a 100% performance boost over my 8800GT for a not too unreasonable price...£250 is ok i guess.

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#6 hofuldig
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[QUOTE="wklzip"]

Nvidia's 40nm generation should be a killer

Cebit 2009: High hopes


Nvidia's 40nm chip should be a great performer. This is what we got from the Cebit show, but we didn't actually get anything specific to back this bold claim up.

Nvidia learns from its mistakes, and it wants to win this round to make ATI look bad, that is the general goal. The claim comes from sources close to Nvidia, and naturally after quite a lot of messy rebranding, there might be some really new stuff coming in the next few months.

The one we really want to see out is GT218, a 40nm performance card, but from all we know this card shouldn't be out before Q3 2009 time, just in time to compete with ATI's RV8x0 architecture. We still don't know who might end up faster this round, as the stakes are really high for both players. Both sides already claim victory, but no one really knows the answer to this question today.

Fudzilla

I can see hope after the long road of too much renaming! :o

hofuldig

40nm to be a great performer!? lol the chips they have out now are great performers. i mean they beat ATI's cards (mostly)

you say the cards should be cheaper but if you look back video cards auctally increase in price. so hence they will make faster cards with 40nm BUT they will charge more because they are faster....

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#7 machiavell8x8
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didn't i hear the current line of nvidia cards limit the intel i7's?? there was a big debate between the new phenom II processors vs the new I7's and the nvidia cards and ATI got wrapped up in the debate. what ended up happening is they through the ATI cards onto the I7 boards and then the I7's beat the phenoms in gaming....but when the I7's had nvidia cards the phenoms won.

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#8 teddyrob
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I am not going to upgrade until i can get a card that offer a 100% performance boost over my 8800GT for a not too unreasonable price...£250 is ok i guess.

Daytona_178

I'm with you. I usually wait until I can see a signifcant performance increase worth to upgrade.

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didn't i hear the current line of nvidia cards limit the intel i7's?? there was a big debate between the new phenom II processors vs the new I7's and the nvidia cards and ATI got wrapped up in the debate. what ended up happening is they through the ATI cards onto the I7 boards and then the I7's beat the phenoms in gaming....but when the I7's had nvidia cards the phenoms won.

machiavell8x8

I would think i7 would thrash Phenom with either. My stockQ6600 @ 2.4Ghz is beating Phenom II 940 in GTAIV and I'm using higher settings.

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#10 machiavell8x8
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i read the story off tomshardware, pretty sure teh PII was ahead in gaming until the I7 got an ATI card in her.

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#11 Sordidus
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i read the story off tomshardware, pretty sure teh PII was ahead in gaming until the I7 got an ATI card in her.

machiavell8x8

Even the Q9550 is faster than the Phenom II 940 and the i7 920 is faster than the Q9550.

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#12 machiavell8x8
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you sure about that? im only talking about "gaming" scores here.

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#13 Sordidus
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you sure about that? im only talking about "gaming" scores here.

machiavell8x8

Yes, I'm talking about gaming. But performance depends on the overall configuration, not just the processor...

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[QUOTE="machiavell8x8"]

i read the story off tomshardware, pretty sure teh PII was ahead in gaming until the I7 got an ATI card in her.

Sordidus

Even the Q9550 is faster than the Phenom II 940 and the i7 920 is faster than the Q9550.

true
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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-280,2156-2.html

false

"AMD's Phenom IIs are indeed running faster than the i7 920 in a number of our gaming tests where Nvidia's GeForce GTX 280 handles graphics."

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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-280,2156-2.html

false

"AMD's Phenom IIs are indeed running faster than the i7 920 in a number of our gaming tests where Nvidia's GeForce GTX 280 handles graphics."

machiavell8x8

Those were probably the only ( or most of ) the instances that the i7 with an NVIDIA card was slower than the 940BE, hence the reason they picked FC2 with no AA ( nvidia cards if I'm not mistaken handle AA better than ATI cards). But you were right about that particular instance.

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#17 machiavell8x8
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yah i had a hunch i was

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[QUOTE="machiavell8x8"]

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-280,2156-2.html

false

"AMD's Phenom IIs are indeed running faster than the i7 920 in a number of our gaming tests where Nvidia's GeForce GTX 280 handles graphics."

Auraknight1

Those were probably the only ( or most of ) the instances that the i7 with an NVIDIA card was slower than the 940BE, hence the reason they picked FC2 with no AA ( nvidia cards if I'm not mistaken handle AA better than ATI cards). But you were right about that particular instance.

I don't trust Tomshardware reviews for certain reasons and from what I've seen on other sites even the Q9550 performs better than i7 920 on Far Cry 2 and I don't think it makes it worse than the Q9550...

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#19 Munkyman587
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As long as you are informed about your purchases, the renaming is OK. The economy is terrible, not the best time to release new high end expensive graphics cards. Maybe if the low end pushed up a bit, game makers could increase the bottom end graphics in games. It could be a good thing, just look at what some of you consider "mid end" these days, compared to the difference observed even a year or two ago.
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http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-280,2156-2.html

false

"AMD's Phenom IIs are indeed running faster than the i7 920 in a number of our gaming tests where Nvidia's GeForce GTX 280 handles graphics."

machiavell8x8

That doesn't look like a comprehensive test. Just two pages.

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[QUOTE="machiavell8x8"]

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-280,2156-2.html

false

"AMD's Phenom IIs are indeed running faster than the i7 920 in a number of our gaming tests where Nvidia's GeForce GTX 280 handles graphics."

teddyrob

That doesn't look like a comprehensive test. Just two pages.

thats because they already did a full review, that 2 pages is just an update to the original review that people doubted. the 2 pages is just to clear up why results differed between tomshardware's review and other websites reviews. and if you look in the comments they talk about the review some more, and tomshardware actually read the comments and tested out what people questioned....which is really freaking cool of them to do.
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[QUOTE="teddyrob"]

[QUOTE="machiavell8x8"]

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-280,2156-2.html

false

"AMD's Phenom IIs are indeed running faster than the i7 920 in a number of our gaming tests where Nvidia's GeForce GTX 280 handles graphics."

machiavell8x8

That doesn't look like a comprehensive test. Just two pages.

thats because they already did a full review, that 2 pages is just an update to the original review that people doubted. the 2 pages is just to clear up why results differed between tomshardware's review and other websites reviews. and if you look in the comments they talk about the review some more, and tomshardware actually read the comments and tested out what people questioned....which is really freaking cool of them to do.

I'd like to see them use some more games for the test though
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OK I have a question I have an 750 Watt PSU and by the looks of the design of the graphic card using smaller and smaller dies is it safe to say that my current power supply should be efficent to power future high ends cards for a long time?

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#24 machiavell8x8
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OK I have a question I have an 750 Watt PSU and by the looks of the design of the graphic card using smaller and smaller dies is it safe to say that my current power supply should be efficent to power future high ends cards for a long time?

brettakins
depends on the amps on your 12v rail, unless you have a abnormaly low amperage, you should be fine for a while....unless you plan to use multiple highend gpu's
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#25 matte3560
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Iam not going to upgrade until i can get a card that offer a 100% performance boost over my 8800GT for a not too unreasonable price...£250 is ok i guess.

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8-Seires Nvidia FTW! My 8800 GTX is still going strong, and maxing pretty much all i throw at it in 1920 x 1200!
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#26 Auraknight1
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OK I have a question I have an 750 Watt PSU and by the looks of the design of the graphic card using smaller and smaller dies is it safe to say that my current power supply should be efficent to power future high ends cards for a long time?

brettakins
Yes, that is a good quality PSU and should be able to power up the best single card graphics cards now and in the future most likely but CF and SLI is another question( I would go no lower than 850W atm and that's not even for the most powerful card's either)
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#27 Sordidus
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OK I have a question I have an 750 Watt PSU and by the looks of the design of the graphic card using smaller and smaller dies is it safe to say that my current power supply should be efficent to power future high ends cards for a long time?

brettakins

For a single card, your power supply it's more than enough, even mine.

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#28 BlueBirdTS
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[QUOTE="Daytona_178"]

Iam not going to upgrade until i can get a card that offer a 100% performance boost over my 8800GT for a not too unreasonable price...£250 is ok i guess.

matte3560

8-Seires Nvidia FTW! My 8800 GTX is still going strong, and maxing pretty much all i throw at it in 1920 x 1200!

Same here. I've got an 8800GTS 512 MB and it plays all my games fine at 1680X1050. I'm not upgrading until I can get a 100% performance boost for $150 or less.