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#1 Posted by way2funny (4570 posts) -

Hey, Im into RTSs but it seems like its not as big as it use to be. Theres starcraft 2, that relatively new, but not too much. And Im really not into the total war series.

age of empires
rise of nations (one of my favs)
starcfrat/warcraft
Company of Heroes/ Dawn of wars
Sup Commander / C&Cs

Is Rts fading away with console multiplats plagueing PCs? Am i just missing any RTSs ? I have no idea

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#2 Posted by JohnF111 (14187 posts) -

Hey, Im into RTSs but it seems like its not as big as it use to be. Theres starcraft 2, that relatively new, but not too much. And Im really not into the total war series.

age of empires
rise of nations (one of my favs)
starcfrat/warcraft
Company of Heroes/ Dawn of wars
Sup Commander / C&Cs

Is Rts fading away with console multiplats plagueing PCs? Am i just missing any RTSs ? I have no idea

way2funny

*Leaves thread*

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#3 Posted by Toxic-Seahorse (4988 posts) -
We've got Company of Heroes 2 and C&C Generals 2 slated for early 2013.
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#4 Posted by Assimilat0r (757 posts) -

Hey, Im into RTSs but it seems like its not as big as it use to be. Theres starcraft 2, that relatively new, but not too much. And Im really not into the total war series.

age of empires
rise of nations (one of my favs)
starcfrat/warcraft
Company of Heroes/ Dawn of wars
Sup Commander / C&Cs

Is Rts fading away with console multiplats plagueing PCs? Am i just missing any RTSs ? I have no idea

way2funny

Try warhammer 40 k. And EA , Blizzard already ruined whole genre of RTS.

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#5 Posted by way2funny (4570 posts) -

[QUOTE="way2funny"]

Hey, Im into RTSs but it seems like its not as big as it use to be. Theres starcraft 2, that relatively new, but not too much. And Im really not into the total war series.

age of empires
rise of nations (one of my favs)
starcfrat/warcraft
Company of Heroes/ Dawn of wars
Sup Commander / C&Cs

Is Rts fading away with console multiplats plagueing PCs? Am i just missing any RTSs ? I have no idea

Assimilat0r

Try warhammer 40 k. And EA , Blizzard already ruined whole genre of RTS.

Ive tried warhammer 40: dawn of war, it just seems like ive exhausted my RTS possibilities, and the only thing people talk about is starcraft 2, which is a great game, but yeah seems hard to find just a new rts thats not starcraft or total war

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#6 Posted by Toxic-Seahorse (4988 posts) -

[QUOTE="Assimilat0r"]

[QUOTE="way2funny"]

Hey, Im into RTSs but it seems like its not as big as it use to be. Theres starcraft 2, that relatively new, but not too much. And Im really not into the total war series.

age of empires
rise of nations (one of my favs)
starcfrat/warcraft
Company of Heroes/ Dawn of wars
Sup Commander / C&Cs

Is Rts fading away with console multiplats plagueing PCs? Am i just missing any RTSs ? I have no idea

way2funny

Try warhammer 40 k. And EA , Blizzard already ruined whole genre of RTS.

Ive tried warhammer 40: dawn of war, it just seems like ive exhausted my RTS possibilities, and the only thing people talk about is starcraft 2, which is a great game, but yeah seems hard to find just a new rts thats not starcraft or total war

You can try Wargame: European Escalation. It's fairly new.
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#7 Posted by way2funny (4570 posts) -

[QUOTE="way2funny"]

[QUOTE="Assimilat0r"]

Try warhammer 40 k. And EA , Blizzard already ruined whole genre of RTS.

Toxic-Seahorse

Ive tried warhammer 40: dawn of war, it just seems like ive exhausted my RTS possibilities, and the only thing people talk about is starcraft 2, which is a great game, but yeah seems hard to find just a new rts thats not starcraft or total war

You can try Wargame: European Escalation. It's fairly new.

Thanks I'll look into that, i havent herd of that game yet. How do you guys feel about sins of a solar empire?

eidt: oh wow sins of a solar empire has a demo, thats impressive, downloading it now

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#8 Posted by Toxic-Seahorse (4988 posts) -

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="way2funny"]

Ive tried warhammer 40: dawn of war, it just seems like ive exhausted my RTS possibilities, and the only thing people talk about is starcraft 2, which is a great game, but yeah seems hard to find just a new rts thats not starcraft or total war

way2funny

You can try Wargame: European Escalation. It's fairly new.

Thanks I'll look into that, i havent herd of that game yet. How do you guys feel about sins of a solar empire?

Sins of a Solar Empire is fantastic. I would wait until they release Sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion though. It's coming out soon (June I think) and it has all the content from the first game and its expansions.
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#9 Posted by AleksandarTale (2906 posts) -

Have you tried World in Conflict or Wargame: European Escalation?

Those are some of my favorite RTS games, they're pretty fun...

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#10 Posted by kris9031998 (7554 posts) -
Well, total war is a hybrid of both rts and tbs. The tbs section is managing your cities/provinces, conduction diplomacy, making armies, constructing buildings, etc. The RTS part is when you go into a battle with someone else. It can be either land, sea (newer games), siege (ex. against a castle) and in the new Shogun 2 expansion, Fall of the Samurai, port sieges.
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#11 Posted by way2funny (4570 posts) -

Well, total war is a hybrid of both rts and tbs. The tbs section is managing your cities/provinces, conduction diplomacy, making armies, constructing buildings, etc. The RTS part is when you go into a battle with someone else. It can be either land, sea (newer games), siege (ex. against a castle) and in the new Shogun 2 expansion, Fall of the Samurai, port sieges. kris9031998

Yeah, i know ive played total war before, just not my cup of tea. But i will look into world in conflict, just downloaded sins of the solar empire demos

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#12 Posted by ankor77 (1254 posts) -
Sins of a solar empire is absolutely fantastic, i just cant play i anymore because games take days to complete. That doesnt go well when you are a daddy! If you want to broaden horizons to more strategy type games the Anno games(dawn of discovery) and anno 2070 or whatever it is called are great and have rpg elements. Theres always civ 5 which is great as well.
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#13 Posted by way2funny (4570 posts) -

Sins of a solar empire is absolutely fantastic, i just cant play i anymore because games take days to complete. That doesnt go well when you are a daddy! If you want to broaden horizons to more strategy type games the Anno games(dawn of discovery) and anno 2070 or whatever it is called are great and have rpg elements. Theres always civ 5 which is great as well. ankor77

I love city building games, dawn of discovery was amazing, but im looking for a game i can play with my buddy(s) and i dont remember dawn of discovery having multiplayer

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#14 Posted by James161324 (8315 posts) -

AOE online, once you get past the cartoony graphics its that aoe you love

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#15 Posted by Falconoffury (1722 posts) -

I miss the mid to late 90's for the RTS genre. Those were the days. There were your blockbusters like Total Annihilation, Warcraft 1-2, Age of Empires 1-2, the Command and Conquer games, and there were your lesser known but good games like Act of War, Sacrifice, Earth 2150, and Ground Control. The list goes on and on. The RTS genre today is nothing like those days. I feel so old.

Are any RTS games on Kickstarter? I might donate some money to a good one.

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#16 Posted by with_teeth26 (8213 posts) -

This year is a bit slow for strategy games, the Shogun 2 expansion Fall of the Samurai is great though.

Next year we get Company of Heroes 2 and C&C generals 2 so that should make up for it.

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#17 Posted by Toxic-Seahorse (4988 posts) -

I miss the mid to late 90's for the RTS genre. Those were the days. There were your blockbusters like Total Annihilation, Warcraft 1-2, Age of Empires 1-2, the Command and Conquer games, and there were your lesser known but good games like Act of War, Sacrifice, Earth 2150, and Ground Control. The list goes on and on. The RTS genre today is nothing like those days. I feel so old.

Are any RTS games on Kickstarter? I might donate some money to a good one.

Falconoffury
Act of War was so awesome, although a bit unbalanced. I'd love to see another Act of War game made.
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#18 Posted by Spoonoop (178 posts) -

I suppose if you really liked Company Heroes I would recommend Men of War: Assault Squad. It's realistic like CoH but it takes the realism and micromanagement to another level. For example: all units have an inventory with weapons, ammo, equipment. Units have a limited amount of ammo, vehicles need fuel, etc. It's a fun but challenging game.

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#19 Posted by ionusX (25757 posts) -

[QUOTE="way2funny"]

Hey, Im into RTSs but it seems like its not as big as it use to be. Theres starcraft 2, that relatively new, but not too much. And Im really not into the total war series.

age of empires
rise of nations (one of my favs)
starcfrat/warcraft
Company of Heroes/ Dawn of wars
Sup Commander / C&Cs

Is Rts fading away with console multiplats plagueing PCs? Am i just missing any RTSs ? I have no idea

JohnF111

*Leaves thread*

hey wait up john!!

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#20 Posted by gunmaster55555 (712 posts) -

[QUOTE="way2funny"]

Hey, Im into RTSs but it seems like its not as big as it use to be. Theres starcraft 2, that relatively new, but not too much. And Im really not into the total war series.

age of empires
rise of nations (one of my favs)
starcfrat/warcraft
Company of Heroes/ Dawn of wars
Sup Commander / C&Cs

Is Rts fading away with console multiplats plagueing PCs? Am i just missing any RTSs ? I have no idea

Assimilat0r

Try warhammer 40 k. And EA , Blizzard already ruined whole genre of RTS.

How has blizzard ruined RTS? rofl
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#21 Posted by G-Lord (2141 posts) -

Hey, Im into RTSs but it seems like its not as big as it use to be. Theres starcraft 2, that relatively new, but not too much. And Im really not into the total war series.

age of empires
rise of nations (one of my favs)
starcfrat/warcraft
Company of Heroes/ Dawn of wars
Sup Commander / C&Cs

Is Rts fading away with console multiplats plagueing PCs? Am i just missing any RTSs ? I have no idea

way2funny

End of Nations will launch soon. That might be similar to the games you mentioned.

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#23 Posted by Lach0121 (10897 posts) -

We've got Company of Heroes 2 and C&C Generals 2 slated for early 2013. Toxic-Seahorse

This, oh boy this. Along with the SCII additions.

Generals 2 at the top of that list for me, then SCII (yet to play it) and COH 2. All sequels to fantastic games.

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#24 Posted by jasonkorrey (50 posts) -

End of Nations will launch soon. That might be similar to the games you mentioned.

G-Lord

This is great news. I am awaiting it for a long time. The END OF NATION is very intersting RTS Game. I have watch the video review of this game. After watching it my interest on this game has doubled.

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#25 Posted by xLittlekillx (1833 posts) -

If you like space, and you want something new, check out Star Ruler.

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#26 Posted by DanielDust (15402 posts) -
[QUOTE="Assimilat0r"]

[QUOTE="way2funny"]

Hey, Im into RTSs but it seems like its not as big as it use to be. Theres starcraft 2, that relatively new, but not too much. And Im really not into the total war series.

age of empires
rise of nations (one of my favs)
starcfrat/warcraft
Company of Heroes/ Dawn of wars
Sup Commander / C&Cs

Is Rts fading away with console multiplats plagueing PCs? Am i just missing any RTSs ? I have no idea

gunmaster55555

Try warhammer 40 k. And EA , Blizzard already ruined whole genre of RTS.

How has blizzard ruined RTS? rofl

They make everyone look bad with the quality of their games, nobody else is able to come even close, it makes the entire RTS genre seem in ruins.
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#27 Posted by Lach0121 (10897 posts) -

If you like space, and you want something new, check out Star Ruler.

xLittlekillx

Hmm, never heard of it, I think I might check it out, thx for the recommendation.

EDIT: I watched the video, looks like a supreme commander esque space RTS. :) Its definitely going on my Steam Wishlist.

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#28 Posted by xLittlekillx (1833 posts) -

[QUOTE="gunmaster55555"][QUOTE="Assimilat0r"]

Try warhammer 40 k. And EA , Blizzard already ruined whole genre of RTS.

DanielDust

How has blizzard ruined RTS? rofl

They make everyone look bad with the quality of their games, nobody else is able to come even close, it makes the entire RTS genre seem in ruins.

That's just as absurd as the other guy's statement. If anything, I think Blizzard has perfected the small scale old-school RTS format, and has thus actually helped the genre by stemming the need for more of those kind of strategy games.

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#29 Posted by DanielDust (15402 posts) -

[QUOTE="DanielDust"][QUOTE="gunmaster55555"] How has blizzard ruined RTS? roflxLittlekillx

They make everyone look bad with the quality of their games, nobody else is able to come even close, it makes the entire RTS genre seem in ruins.

That's just as absurd as the other guy's statement. If anything, I think Blizzard has perfected the small scale old-school RTS format, and has thus actually helped the genre by stemming the need for more of those kind of strategy games.

Yep, that's what people want and they provide it, that + the complete balance needed for competitive play, nobody else is and will ever be capable of that unless they take their time making the games and investing a lot into prolonging the development. Sure, there are other fun RTSs, a lot of them are fun, but they're not "great" games overall, there're a lot of fun games in any genre, but a good number of them range from terrible to half decent.
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#30 Posted by rockydog1111 (2079 posts) -

Try AI War: Fleet Command.

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#31 Posted by danygo1996 (377 posts) -

World in Conflict.

Games awesome, Takes date back to 1970's i think. Give it a look

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#32 Posted by Toxic-Seahorse (4988 posts) -

[QUOTE="gunmaster55555"][QUOTE="Assimilat0r"]

Try warhammer 40 k. And EA , Blizzard already ruined whole genre of RTS.

DanielDust

How has blizzard ruined RTS? rofl

They make everyone look bad with the quality of their games, nobody else is able to come even close, it makes the entire RTS genre seem in ruins.

I definitely disagree with that. I love RTS games, but I don't really like StarCraft at all. I'll take Command & Conquer over StarCraft any day. As a matter of fact most of the RTS games I own I would place above StarCraft 2. I don't see what is so special about it.

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#33 Posted by xLittlekillx (1833 posts) -

[QUOTE="xLittlekillx"]

[QUOTE="DanielDust"] They make everyone look bad with the quality of their games, nobody else is able to come even close, it makes the entire RTS genre seem in ruins.DanielDust

That's just as absurd as the other guy's statement. If anything, I think Blizzard has perfected the small scale old-school RTS format, and has thus actually helped the genre by stemming the need for more of those kind of strategy games.

Yep, that's what people want and they provide it, that + the complete balance needed for competitive play, nobody else is and will ever be capable of that unless they take their time making the games and investing a lot into prolonging the development. Sure, there are other fun RTSs, a lot of them are fun, but they're not "great" games overall, there're a lot of fun games in any genre, but a good number of them range from terrible to half decent.

That's one of the dumbest, most ignorant things I've ever seen a supposed pc gamer say.

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#34 Posted by DanielDust (15402 posts) -

[QUOTE="DanielDust"][QUOTE="xLittlekillx"]

That's just as absurd as the other guy's statement. If anything, I think Blizzard has perfected the small scale old-school RTS format, and has thus actually helped the genre by stemming the need for more of those kind of strategy games.

xLittlekillx

Yep, that's what people want and they provide it, that + the complete balance needed for competitive play, nobody else is and will ever be capable of that unless they take their time making the games and investing a lot into prolonging the development. Sure, there are other fun RTSs, a lot of them are fun, but they're not "great" games overall, there're a lot of fun games in any genre, but a good number of them range from terrible to half decent.

That's one of the dumbest, most ignorant things I've ever seen a supposed pc gamer say.

That comment of yours is mindblowingly idiotic, carry on.

You're either too young to understand the maning of the words you used or a complete ignorant that is out to flame, judging from what I saw around here in the past year, you're both.

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#35 Posted by Falconoffury (1722 posts) -

That comment of yours is mindblowingly idiotic, carry on.

You're either too young to understand the maning of the words you used or a complete ignorant that is out to flame, judging from what I saw around here in the past year, you're both.

DanielDust

xLittlekillx has a point. You said in a roundabout way that there are no "great" RTS games out there right now aside from the Starcraft games. I find that idea to be very ignorant.

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#36 Posted by DanielDust (15402 posts) -

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]

That comment of yours is mindblowingly idiotic, carry on.

You're either too young to understand the maning of the words you used or a complete ignorant that is out to flame, judging from what I saw around here in the past year, you're both.

Falconoffury

xLittlekillx has a point. You said in a roundabout way that there are no "great" RTS games out there right now aside from the Starcraft games. I find that idea to be very ignorant.

There isn't one except Starcraft AND Warcraft and I'm not the one saying it, it's the entire world, why exactly can't any other company make a game that gathers a decently sized community, great multiplayer and focus on extreme performance (which an RTS is all about, strategy, it's the third word that makes the name of the genre)?

Fun =/= great

The only fun game that ever had a chance was CoH that had the most active community in any RTS except Blizz's (at least 20 times smaller than any Blizzard game made, but far more popular than anything ever created), even like that, it's wasn't a game made for great multiplayer and it sold poorly.

It's called reality, not ignorance, when people want something you give it to them, gimmicks (this so called fun in RTS) won't keep anyone (by anyone I mean the majority) interested for more than several hours.

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#37 Posted by Lach0121 (10897 posts) -

[QUOTE="Falconoffury"]

[QUOTE="DanielDust"]

That comment of yours is mindblowingly idiotic, carry on.

You're either too young to understand the maning of the words you used or a complete ignorant that is out to flame, judging from what I saw around here in the past year, you're both.

DanielDust

xLittlekillx has a point. You said in a roundabout way that there are no "great" RTS games out there right now aside from the Starcraft games. I find that idea to be very ignorant.

There isn't one except Starcraft AND Warcraft and I'm not the one saying it, it's the entire world, why exactly can't any other company make a game that gathers a decently sized community, great multiplayer and focus on extreme performance (which an RTS is all about, strategy, it's the third word that makes the name of the genre)?

Fun =/= great

The only fun game that ever had a chance was CoH that had the most active community in any RTS except Blizz's (at least 20 times smaller than any Blizzard game made, but far more popular than anything ever created), even like that, it's wasn't a game made for great multiplayer and it sold poorly.

It's called reality, not ignorance, when people want something you give it to them, gimmicks (this so called fun in RTS) won't keep anyone (by anyone I mean the majority) interested for more than several hours.

There have been many great, fun RTS, that were great games besides Starcraft:roll: (though I will say for online, it was the most competitive and longest lasting community for an RTS, that I know of)

Total Annhilation

Most of the C&C games

WIC

COH

Supreme Commander.

You don't have to like them, or think that they are great games, but many people do, and thats the point.

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#38 Posted by DanielDust (15402 posts) -

TA is a niche game liked for the only reason the as extremely niche title Supreme Commander was liked, they were both mediocre at best as games and WiC is an RTT as for the C&C series they all blow hard, except the RA series, but they still aren't a complete package and are overall just "decent".

I like them all, but I don't bow down to them, because they all lack a lot or quite a few things, "few" people love them (a few more love EA RTSs), but that's besides the point, the only point that's relevant is that almost all people want games like Starcraft and Warcraft and that's why they sell and have extremely active communities, they're all around superb products, a feature won't sell a game and it won't make its flaws less relevant (TA and SupCom) and similar games that lack multiplayer quality (any RTS besides Blizz's, no matter how you don't like it, it's a fact) and adding "chance" into an RTS will never make it popular in both sales and community (any Relic game, CoH was a one time only).

There are only three companies that make great RTSs and (3 because you added...) RTTs.

Blizzard makes the best and only relevant (quality wise) RTSs (call it ignorance or what you want, they're not the only RTSs I play, but that much is a fact).

Massive Entertainment made the best RTT series and to a small degree Relic with their DoW 2 game (not series).

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#39 Posted by Lach0121 (10897 posts) -

Just gonna have to disagree with ^^. The games I listed were great games, I think so, others do to.

You don't think so, there will be others to think like you on it.

Bottom line is that there are plenty of people who thought they were great games. Which actually doesn't really need your validation.

So at this point, I disagree, and will have fun playing all sorts of great RTS games, and wait for some to come.

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#40 Posted by Falconoffury (1722 posts) -

So greatness is all about sales numbers and the competitive scene for the game. I define greatness in gaming very differently, but to each their own I guess. I found that many great games in many genres had poor sales. They became cult classics years later.

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#41 Posted by Toxic-Seahorse (4988 posts) -

as for the C&C series they all blow hard, except the RA series, but they still aren't a complete package and are overall just "decent"DanielDust
I can no longer take you seriously. Either you're a huge troll or you're just that big of a Blizzard fanboy. C&C is the father of RTS. That's where it started. I can't place any game over the Westwood C&C games, let alone another RTS. StarCraft is an average RTS that people praise because it's from Blizzarrd and they played StarCraft a lot. It hardly does anything innovative or different. As a matter of fact, most C&C games have more depth than StarCraft ever will.

C&C

Sins of a Solar Empire

Company of Heroes

Supreme Commander

All better than StarCraft 2, and I own StarCraft 2 so I'm not bashing a game I don't own. If anything, StarCraft just took the C&C formula and dumbed down the resource gathering. Yeah, what game is better is subjective, but you're acting like everyone thinks the way you do, and that's simply not true at all.

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#42 Posted by jakes456 (1398 posts) -

TA is a niche game liked for the only reason the as extremely niche title Supreme Commander was liked, they were both mediocre at best as games and WiC is an RTT as for the C&C series they all blow hard, except the RA series, but they still aren't a complete package and are overall just "decent".

I like them all, but I don't bow down to them, because they all lack a lot or quite a few things, "few" people love them (a few more love EA RTSs), but that's besides the point, the only point that's relevant is that almost all people want games like Starcraft and Warcraft and that's why they sell and have extremely active communities, they're all around superb products, a feature won't sell a game and it won't make its flaws less relevant (TA and SupCom) and similar games that lack multiplayer quality (any RTS besides Blizz's, no matter how you don't like it, it's a fact) and adding "chance" into an RTS will never make it popular in both sales and community (any Relic game, CoH was a one time only).

There are only three companies that make great RTSs and (3 because you added...) RTTs.

Blizzard makes the best and only relevant (quality wise) RTSs (call it ignorance or what you want, they're not the only RTSs I play, but that much is a fact).

Massive Entertainment made the best RTT series and to a small degree Relic with their DoW 2 game (not series).

DanielDust
lol? Have you played any of the C&C games. The original Command and Conquer laid the work for all the other RTS games. C&C - perfection. + Covert Ops. Red Alert - My favorite of the series. Aftermath was the best. Counter-Strike was good too. Tib Sun + Firestorm - one of my all time favorite games for LAN. Plus some of the mods were amazing. RA2 - great multiplayer. Renegade - pretty unpolished game overall, but I still had fun playing it LAN. Generals - the last good C&C game before EA destroyed the franchise.
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#43 Posted by creaturemagic (641 posts) -
I actually legitimately don't get why SC2 is so popular. What does it do to innovate? What does it do that makes it funner than any other RTS? Is it really only popular to be popular? Like did tons of people buy it because they are Blizzvision fanboys, and then tons more people buy it because tons of people bought it? Or do people actually enjoy it?
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#44 Posted by Falconoffury (1722 posts) -

I actually legitimately don't get why SC2 is so popular. What does it do to innovate? What does it do that makes it funner than any other RTS? Is it really only popular to be popular? Like did tons of people buy it because they are Blizzvision fanboys, and then tons more people buy it because tons of people bought it? Or do people actually enjoy it?creaturemagic

I agree with you here. The video games industry is weird that way. It seems like when a company or game franchise is on top, the second place is way far down the totem pole. You see that with any game released by Blizzard, and you see it with Call of Duty. Then there are plenty of other games that are better than half as good, but don't sell even half the amount.

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#45 Posted by xLittlekillx (1833 posts) -

TA is a niche game liked for the only reason the as extremely niche title Supreme Commander was liked, they were both mediocre at best as games and WiC is an RTT as for the C&C series they all blow hard, except the RA series, but they still aren't a complete package and are overall just "decent".

I like them all, but I don't bow down to them, because they all lack a lot or quite a few things, "few" people love them (a few more love EA RTSs), but that's besides the point, the only point that's relevant is that almost all people want games like Starcraft and Warcraft and that's why they sell and have extremely active communities, they're all around superb products, a feature won't sell a game and it won't make its flaws less relevant (TA and SupCom) and similar games that lack multiplayer quality (any RTS besides Blizz's, no matter how you don't like it, it's a fact) and adding "chance" into an RTS will never make it popular in both sales and community (any Relic game, CoH was a one time only).

There are only three companies that make great RTSs and (3 because you added...) RTTs.

Blizzard makes the best and only relevant (quality wise) RTSs (call it ignorance or what you want, they're not the only RTSs I play, but that much is a fact).

Massive Entertainment made the best RTT series and to a small degree Relic with their DoW 2 game (not series).

DanielDust

It's like you're trying to make everybody discredit your opinion.

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#46 Posted by slimjimbadboy (1731 posts) -

TA is a niche game liked for the only reason the as extremely niche title Supreme Commander was liked, they were both mediocre at best as games and WiC is an RTT as for the C&C series they all blow hard, except the RA series, but they still aren't a complete package and are overall just "decent".

I like them all, but I don't bow down to them, because they all lack a lot or quite a few things, "few" people love them (a few more love EA RTSs), but that's besides the point, the only point that's relevant is that almost all people want games like Starcraft and Warcraft and that's why they sell and have extremely active communities, they're all around superb products, a feature won't sell a game and it won't make its flaws less relevant (TA and SupCom) and similar games that lack multiplayer quality (any RTS besides Blizz's, no matter how you don't like it, it's a fact) and adding "chance" into an RTS will never make it popular in both sales and community (any Relic game, CoH was a one time only).

There are only three companies that make great RTSs and (3 because you added...) RTTs.

Blizzard makes the best and only relevant (quality wise) RTSs (call it ignorance or what you want, they're not the only RTSs I play, but that much is a fact).

Massive Entertainment made the best RTT series and to a small degree Relic with their DoW 2 game (not series).

DanielDust

Niche? I'd hope you'd realise had any of those other RTSs from the mid to late 90s had a service like battlenet that your precious starcraft wouldn't be near what it is today.

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#47 Posted by Toxic-Seahorse (4988 posts) -
[QUOTE="creaturemagic"]I actually legitimately don't get why SC2 is so popular. What does it do to innovate? What does it do that makes it funner than any other RTS? Is it really only popular to be popular? Like did tons of people buy it because they are Blizzvision fanboys, and then tons more people buy it because tons of people bought it? Or do people actually enjoy it?

When released way back StarCraft had an online system like no other RTS. StarCraft 2 is only successful because of the online system StarCraft 1 had. People bought it just because they played StarCraft a lot. The games have nothing innovative in them. They just copied the Command & Conquer formula and dumbed down the resource gathering.
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#48 Posted by Ravenshout (1265 posts) -

[QUOTE="creaturemagic"]I actually legitimately don't get why SC2 is so popular. What does it do to innovate? What does it do that makes it funner than any other RTS? Is it really only popular to be popular? Like did tons of people buy it because they are Blizzvision fanboys, and then tons more people buy it because tons of people bought it? Or do people actually enjoy it?Toxic-Seahorse
When released way back StarCraft had an online system like no other RTS. StarCraft 2 is only successful because of the online system StarCraft 1 had. People bought it just because they played StarCraft a lot. The games have nothing innovative in them. They just copied the Command & Conquer formula and dumbed down the resource gathering.

Blizzard> EA

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#49 Posted by Toxic-Seahorse (4988 posts) -

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="creaturemagic"]I actually legitimately don't get why SC2 is so popular. What does it do to innovate? What does it do that makes it funner than any other RTS? Is it really only popular to be popular? Like did tons of people buy it because they are Blizzvision fanboys, and then tons more people buy it because tons of people bought it? Or do people actually enjoy it?Ravenshout

When released way back StarCraft had an online system like no other RTS. StarCraft 2 is only successful because of the online system StarCraft 1 had. People bought it just because they played StarCraft a lot. The games have nothing innovative in them. They just copied the Command & Conquer formula and dumbed down the resource gathering.

Blizzard> EA

The best C&C games weren't made by EA. Thanks for posting something irrelevant.
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#50 Posted by Ravenshout (1265 posts) -

[QUOTE="Ravenshout"]

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"] When released way back StarCraft had an online system like no other RTS. StarCraft 2 is only successful because of the online system StarCraft 1 had. People bought it just because they played StarCraft a lot. The games have nothing innovative in them. They just copied the Command & Conquer formula and dumbed down the resource gathering. Toxic-Seahorse

Blizzard> EA

The best C&C games weren't made by EA. Thanks for posting something irrelevant.

But they didn't last as long due to EA's pressure.