Need some ideas for a friend, longest lasting possible comp for casual use.

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#1 Posted by YoshiYogurt (6008 posts) -

We want to build the fastest possible machine for a family that would only use the computer for email, browsing, typing documents, and the occasional music.

NO monitor needed and I have an old GTS 450 I could sel him cheaply, but even that is way overkill when there will be no gaming.

I'm thinking an SSD, of course, probably around 256gbs, they won't need more than that.

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#2 Posted by 5SI-GonePostal (390 posts) -
Are you serious?
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#3 Posted by YoshiYogurt (6008 posts) -
Are you serious?5SI-GonePostal
Yea... they want a fast computer that will last 10+ years. They're using a dell dimension from 2001 that is barely working. Give me ideas instead of being an ass.
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#4 Posted by Amster_G (4329 posts) -

Are you serious?5SI-GonePostal

I think he's on something. Slooowly back away from the OP.

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#5 Posted by adamosmaki (10557 posts) -
Are you serious or trolling here ? well if he is not gonna game or edit videos/photos then what exactly is the reason for an i7 and SSD? Just get him a pentium g 620 8gb of ram 500gb HD a generic case a decent 350-400W PSU and you are good
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#6 Posted by Amster_G (4329 posts) -

Honestly, the whole post just doesn't make sense.

Fastest possible computer. Wouldn't that automatically just be a gaming machine? I mean, you could have a speedy CPU and an SSD for quick performances without the need of a fancy GPU if you're really not going to game, but why waste that money? You can get away with a more simple everyday CPU and a hard drive. Must you have Windows booted in 14 seconds and then... go Facebooking?

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#7 Posted by YoshiYogurt (6008 posts) -
No guys, I'm serious I'll edit the Topic title if that's what you want. Let's rephrase this: Longest lasting possible computer for casual use....
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#8 Posted by ferret-gamer (17476 posts) -

[QUOTE="5SI-GonePostal"]Are you serious?YoshiYogurt
Yea... they want a fast computer that will last 10+ years. They're using a dell dimension from 2001 that is barely working. Give me ideas instead of being an ass.

There is a limit to future proofing. You hardly need a top of the line computer for web browsing and word processing. Instead of buying a say, for example, a $1600 computer now, how about having them buy a $400 computer that could do what they want perfectly fine, and putting the rest of the money in savings. If he needs to upgrade another 3 or 4 years down the line then just get another $400 computer with current tech.

That would get him a lot more for his money. A $1600 computer from 10 years ago would get absolutely and completely demolished by a $400 computer of today's tech.

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#9 Posted by adamosmaki (10557 posts) -
No guys, I'm serious I'll edit the Topic title if that's what you want. Let's rephrase this: Longest lasting possible computer for casual use....YoshiYogurt
that would be an i3 coupled with a normal HD and 8gb of ram . Really you dont need anything more
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#10 Posted by Amster_G (4329 posts) -

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"]No guys, I'm serious I'll edit the Topic title if that's what you want. Let's rephrase this: Longest lasting possible computer for casual use....adamosmaki
that would be an i3 coupled with a normal HD and 8gb of ram . Really you dont need anything more

Heck, just get 4GB. Though, 8GB is probably very cheap anyway.

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#11 Posted by YoshiYogurt (6008 posts) -

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"][QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"]No guys, I'm serious I'll edit the Topic title if that's what you want. Let's rephrase this: Longest lasting possible computer for casual use....Amster_G

that would be an i3 coupled with a normal HD and 8gb of ram . Really you dont need anything more

Heck, just get 4GB. Though, 8GB is probably very cheap anyway.

I think I'll try and convince him that a $500 build now + a $500 build later is better than a $1000 build now?

Any ideas for a $500-600 build now?

Windows 8 - $100

CPU: ??? + Mobo: ??? + PSU: ??? -?

GPU:--

DVD drive-$20

Case- any cheap case

SDD -maybe $200

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#12 Posted by adamosmaki (10557 posts) -

[QUOTE="Amster_G"]

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"] that would be an i3 coupled with a normal HD and 8gb of ram . Really you dont need anything moreYoshiYogurt

Heck, just get 4GB. Though, 8GB is probably very cheap anyway.

I think I'll try and convince him that a $500 build now + a $500 build later is better than a $1000 build now? Any ideas for a $500-600 build now? Windows 8 - $100 CPU:??? + Mobo:??? + PSU:??? -? GPU:-- DVD drive- $20 Case- any cheap case SDD -maybe $200

Thats an i3 3220 ( actually even that is overkill ) . It has an integrated gpu the HD4000 so you dont need to buy a gpu ( in fact HD4000 is enough for casual gaming such as wow or call of duty at medium settings )

Dont get an SSD if you are not gonna use that pc for gaming or video / photo editing . Just get a normal 7200Rpm hard drive. Thats more than enough. As for mobo get a cheap micro ATX H67 based chipset for $50-60 from gigabyte/asus/asrock/msi such as the Gigabyte H67MA

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#13 Posted by Amster_G (4329 posts) -

[QUOTE="Amster_G"]

[QUOTE="adamosmaki"] that would be an i3 coupled with a normal HD and 8gb of ram . Really you dont need anything moreYoshiYogurt

Heck, just get 4GB. Though, 8GB is probably very cheap anyway.

I think I'll try and convince him that a $500 build now + a $500 build later is better than a $1000 build now?

Any ideas for a $500-600 build now?

Windows 8 - $100

CPU: ??? + Mobo: ??? + PSU: ??? -?

GPU:--

DVD drive-$20

Case- any cheap case

SDD -maybe $200

Drop the SSD. Unnecessary for the use of the computer unless of course you really care about fast boots and quick program startups.

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#14 Posted by 5SI-GonePostal (390 posts) -

[QUOTE="5SI-GonePostal"]Are you serious?YoshiYogurt
Yea... they want a fast computer that will last 10+ years. They're using a dell dimension from 2001 that is barely working. Give me ideas instead of being an ass.

Ok my bad - should have maybe handled this a little better

But as someone has said below 4 x $400 PCs will be better for them then 1 x $1600 rig. Realistically a PC can last 4-6 years before needing upgrading (as in good performance Vs Its still working and you can download a webpage in 2 minutes)

But the rig best for your friends/family woould be an AMD Apu, 4-8gb of ram (8 more because its so cheap), and maybe a a small SSD depending on how much stuff they want to keep, but this is and either or call - 128Gb ssd for $60 or a 500-750gb hdd for the same price. That will set them back maybe $300-$400.

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#15 Posted by 5SI-GonePostal (390 posts) -

IMO best build (this is all from Newegg and havent tried to find stuff cheaper):

CPU - AMD A8-5600K (has a built in GPU) -$110

Mobo - This is an example but anything by a good manufacturer -ASRock A55M-HVS FM1 - $50

Memory - 4 gb kit (2x2) from a good brand like Kingston, or Crucial about $20

HDD/SSD - 1tb Barracuda $70 or if they dont need so much space a 128gb Agility 3 for $100

Optical Drive - Anything for about $15 LiteOn or Samsung are good bets

Case - Down to preference but really wouldnt spend of $50, with this build you could consider a small form factor. - $50

PSU -CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 430W - $45

Windows 8 - $99 (could you not use the old licence you are using to upgrade?)

So all together that is $490 including O/S and a SSD

That will web browse with the best of them for the next 4/5 years! :)

Again sorry for maybe being a tit earlier

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#16 Posted by YoshiYogurt (6008 posts) -

Any ideas for a good case to along with that micro atx mobo?

What about PSU? I'm thinking either 430W or 500W ones that I see.

I think they'd want an SSD, they've been using a 32gb hdd for 10 years with no complaints to memory. a 128gb, hell even 64gb one would be fine. I'll ask and see what they think about this.

So far I've got this setup:

Windows 8 : $100

Intel I5: 3570k: $ 215

Intel H61 micro atz mobo: $60

DVD drive $18

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#17 Posted by 5SI-GonePostal (390 posts) -

Any ideas for a good case to along with that micro atx mobo?

What about PSU? I'm thinking either 430W or 500W ones that I see.

I think they'd want an SSD, they've been using a 32gb hdd for 10 years with no complaints to memory. a 128gb, hell even 64gb one would be fine. I'll ask and see what they think about this.

So far I've got this setup:

Windows 8 : $100

Intel I5: 3570k: $ 215

Intel H61 micro atz mobo: $60

DVD drive $18

YoshiYogurt

i5 -HELL NO! i3 max, decent AMD APU is the best option, check out my post above, did you want small form factor?

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#18 Posted by Horgen (116392 posts) -
Reformat that old computer and it will be as good as new. Or go for an AMD APU with a 256GB SSD...
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#19 Posted by YoshiYogurt (6008 posts) -

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"]

Any ideas for a good case to along with that micro atx mobo?

What about PSU? I'm thinking either 430W or 500W ones that I see.

I think they'd want an SSD, they've been using a 32gb hdd for 10 years with no complaints to memory. a 128gb, hell even 64gb one would be fine. I'll ask and see what they think about this.

So far I've got this setup:

Windows 8 : $100

Intel I5: 3570k: $ 215

Intel H61 micro atz mobo: $60

DVD drive $18

5SI-GonePostal

i5 -HELL NO! i3 max, decent AMD APU is the best option, check out my post above, did you want small form factor?

Give me an AMD CPU + mobo combo then

EDIT: How good is this?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113280

and

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130662

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#20 Posted by adamosmaki (10557 posts) -

[QUOTE="5SI-GonePostal"]

[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"]

Any ideas for a good case to along with that micro atx mobo?

What about PSU? I'm thinking either 430W or 500W ones that I see.

I think they'd want an SSD, they've been using a 32gb hdd for 10 years with no complaints to memory. a 128gb, hell even 64gb one would be fine. I'll ask and see what they think about this.

So far I've got this setup:

Windows 8 : $100

Intel I5: 3570k: $ 215

Intel H61 micro atz mobo: $60

DVD drive $18

YoshiYogurt

i5 -HELL NO! i3 max, decent AMD APU is the best option, check out my post above, did you want small form factor?

Give me an AMD CPU + mobo combo then

EDIT: How good is this?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113280

and

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130662

The mobo is fine and in fact you dont even need the 5800k. Get the 5600k which is basically the same cpu just 3,6ghz instead 3,8 and has a bit weaker Gpu and costs $10-15 less ( in fact even that is overkill )
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#21 Posted by jakes456 (1398 posts) -

if you choose an AMD cpu the computer will be dated in a year.

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#22 Posted by Horgen (116392 posts) -

if you choose an AMD cpu the computer will be dated in a year.

jakes456
If you are doing CPU heavy stuff... Which they don't.
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#23 Posted by Amster_G (4329 posts) -

if you choose an AMD cpu the computer will be dated in a year.

jakes456

Even for typing documents and some browsing... ?

:P

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#24 Posted by YoshiYogurt (6008 posts) -

if you choose an AMD cpu the computer will be dated in a year.

jakes456
They used a dell dimension for 11 years, they'll be FINE.
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#25 Posted by 5SI-GonePostal (390 posts) -

IMO best build (this is all from Newegg and havent tried to find stuff cheaper):

CPU - AMD A8-5600K (has a built in GPU) -$110

Mobo - This is an example but anything by a good manufacturer -ASRock A55M-HVS FM1 - $50

Memory - 4 gb kit (2x2) from a good brand like Kingston, or Crucial about $20

HDD/SSD - 1tb Barracuda $70 or if they dont need so much space a 128gb Agility 3 for $100

Optical Drive - Anything for about $15 LiteOn or Samsung are good bets

Case - Down to preference but really wouldnt spend of $50, with this build you could consider a small form factor. - $50

PSU -CORSAIR Builder Series CX430 430W - $45

Windows 8 - $99 (could you not use the old licence you are using to upgrade?)

So all together that is $490 including O/S and a SSD

That will web browse with the best of them for the next 4/5 years! :)

Again sorry for maybe being a tit earlier

5SI-GonePostal

Please try reading this post - this will be the 2nd time of asking, pretty certain it has everything you are after

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#26 Posted by YoshiYogurt (6008 posts) -
I missed that post on accident... Anyway, will all ram(desktop of course) work in any motherboard?
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#27 Posted by JigglyWiggly_ (24599 posts) -
Def get a SSD. It's what makes a computer feel fast. It's why all the macbook pros have them. CPU you can get w/e and anything you can get w/e. Just make sure it has a ssd and 4-8gigs of ram.
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#28 Posted by 5SI-GonePostal (390 posts) -
[QUOTE="YoshiYogurt"]I missed that post on accident... Anyway, will all ram(desktop of course) work in any motherboard?

No 2 things will affect if it can work: 1) If it is DDR, DDR2, DDR3 or the new DDR4 - all these although they look the same will not fit in certain motherboards. The most common ram at the moment is DDR3, and most motherboards bought new today will be DDR3. 2) The speed of the ram - i will use DDR3 is an example, when buying ram it will maybe say something like DDR3 1333mhz or 1600mhz, some motherboards will not be able to use DDR3 1866mhz or it may need an overclock (this will often be represented with oc in brackets next to the speed in the mobo specs) Motherboard specs will clearly state what ram can be used