John Carmack Q&A

Well after watching the Q&A, I'm depressed as ever.

He stated that Quake is "limping along," and that it's basically dying/dead, and id doesn't really have any plans to revitalize it in any way, shape, or form after RAGE is released. Their next major project will be Doom 4, along with a potential sequel to RAGE.

This saddens me as a gamer -- Quake Live has been one of my all-time favorite games on any platform, ever. Quake 3 is still an absolute joy, but they're both dying off/dead.

Nexuiz, my alternative, is dwindling as well, and the developer that made it open source to begin with sold himself out to some company who is porting it to PSN, XBL, and Steam, and will be charging for it. The community project, Xonotic, is so tiny I'm not sure if it will go anywhere. Regardless, it has a stable 0.1 release, so here's hoping.

Alien Arena looks decent, but I've never played it.

I guess I'm just venting because one of the last great gasps for my favorite genre (the fast-paced arena FPS) is about to go under water, no good open source games are on the horizon, and I know absolutely nothing about programming to attempt to build one of my own.

/rant :(

Arena shooters are dead. They just arn't popular. Simple as that.

They have to answer to as many markets as possible. The fact that they're making a game like Rage is evidence of them taking the company in a new direction to appeal to an evolving audience.

Arena shooters are dead. They just arn't popular. Simple as that.

Wasdie

They should make Doom 4's MP like Quake. Doom 3 had a fun MP but never seemed to be a lot of players.

I can't wait until faux realistic boom headshot military shooters stop being popular, with the exception of counterstrike, CoD stopped being fun after remake number 2a.

Quake was great, about a decade ago. Now? ehh...IxX3xil3d0n3XxI

Oh and people who suck at arena shooters suck at all shooters, it's fact. Considering almost nobody posted in the quakelive thread I made, I take it most people here suck at fps lol.

Arena shooters are dead. They just arn't popular. Simple as that.

Wasdie

It is sad that people think like this. Arena shooters offer the purest shooter experience of them all. No insipid story line, no poorly placed save points, no save points at all, a life span based more on player enjoyment then developer planning, and , if the number of maps for Unreal Tournament are any indication, a lot easier to mod. Straight up kill everything that moves. 20 - 30 minutes later you've got your shooter fix for the day.

Actually, maybe its just me, but most of the multiplayer sides of these shooters are arena based, are they not? Maybe they are not so dead after all.

Arena shooters are dead. They just arn't popular. Simple as that.

Wasdie

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Arena shooters are dead. They just arn't popular. Simple as that.

Raxzor

Also play CA/Duel/CTF, not TDM/DM which I do not like.

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Arena shooters are dead. They just arn't popular. Simple as that.

Raxzor

So I guess you don't play any MP DM-like games? For as far as I know, all the shooters I play online are the same ordeal.

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Arena shooters are dead. They just arn't popular. Simple as that.

Geosisnl

So I guess you don't play any MP DM-like games? For as far as I know, all the shooters I play online are the same ordeal.

He's talking about games that are overly simplistic where it's just point and shoot with weak level design(which is the case for almost all old school shooters).Zubinen

Contemporary shooters have the weak level design. You are practically on rails with many of them in singleplayer. As an example of multiplayer maps, I hear that Modern Warfare 3 is getting even simpler multiplayer maps than past games in the series.

In modern FPS you can take cover behind objects as well as crouch and prone, and your success depends just as much on out smarting your enemies as it does on your gun skill, a good balance so the best players need both intelligence and fast reaction times whereas in old school shooters, you only need fast reaction times.Zubinen

What? You need to be smart in arena shooters too. You need to remember where all the powerups are, and their approximate respawn time. You need to be able to quickly switch to the right weapon for the situation. It really sounds like you don't know much about the genre at all.

**** dont know about mah arena shootas