I'm so sick of piracy

Have you noticed how most of the time pirates are the majority of the people complaining about DRM and copy protection and stuff, when they are the exact reason why developers put those there in the first place? I mean this sounds harsh, but how stupid can you people be? Apparently unbelievably stupid. That's right, you literally have to be a complete idiot to be a pirate. You like playing games, but don't even realize that you are ruining PC gaming as we know it. And if you try to defend piracy, don't bother, because that will just give away the fact that you are a pirate yourself, because the only people that actually support piracy are the pirates themselves.

DRM is not a valid excuse people, because whenever a game doesn't have DRM or any copy protection on it it almost gets more pirated than one with it. World of Goo, Prince of Persia, Sins of a Solar Empire, all games that were pirated like crazy, yet didn't have any copy protection at all, so stop using that as an excuse. Also stop using the excuse it's a bad game so I'm not going to pay for it. That excuse makes no sense. How would you know it's bad until you play it, aka, you made the decision to pirate it before you know how good or not it was, and if you played the demo, then you should have known it was bad in the first place and just not bought it. Not to mention, if a game is bad, why play it in the first place? Oh I know, it's just another poor excuse.

Just admit it pirates, the absolute only true reason you pirate games is because you don't want to pay for them. You're selfish, and think stealing is ok as long as the technicaldefinition of piracy isn't theft. Guess what, it's basically stealing, stop trying to find irrelevant loopholes to justify your own careless greed. There is not one valid excuse pirates can give, because when you really get down to it, the only reason you are pirating is because you don't want to pay for it, end of story.

It is a funny trick isn't it...trying to trick yourself into believing something is right, when you know deep down it's wrong...I laugh at software pirates and their weak willpower.LTZH

How many piracy threads have you made? bedram793

Well including one I made like a year ago, 2.

Um I hate the limited installs, and some of things that DRM does. It hurts the people who bought the game but the pirate has no issues with limited installs,DRM and sometimes their cracking fixes the issues that the devs didnt fix or ignored.04dcarraher

Ok, then buy the game and install a crack after you install it. See what I did there? Or if you pirate it, how about sending the dev $50? Oh wait, that would interfere with the whole you not wanting to pay thing, wouldn't it....

Have you noticed how most of the time pirates are the majority of the people complaining about DRM and copy protection and stuff,Armalite1016

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Have you noticed how most of the time pirates are the majority of the people complaining about DRM and copy protection and stuff,SuperBeast

I was saying pirates use it as an excuse, when it's not. It shouldn't be there, but then again, the entire reason it's there is to try and stop pirates. Also, I have a way. Fine anybody caught pirating with $10,000 or 5 years in jail $10,000 bail. And actually be strict about it too, unlike the music industry, which just randomly picks a victim every once in a while. If they actually tried to find people often, and actually punished people when they found them, it would significantly decrease it, because people wouldn't want to risk having to pay $10,000.

[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]Um I hate the limited installs, and some of things that DRM does. It hurts the people who bought the game but the pirate has no issues with limited installs,DRM and sometimes their cracking fixes the issues that the devs didnt fix or ignored.Armalite1016

Ok, then buy the game and install a crack after you install it. See what I did there? Or if you pirate it, how about sending the dev $50? Oh wait, that would interfere with the whole you not wanting to pay thing, wouldn't it....

If Developers are focused on punishing pirates by punishing consumers, then I have no problem will developers losing sales.

DRM hurts legit buyers and punishes them more then pirates. I've already used 3 of my 5 installs of Crysis Warhead and do you really think I'm going to throw another $30 out for my 6th install?

FYI- SoaSE and GC sold very well. All games are pirated, so don't lose sleep over it.

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Have you noticed how most of the time pirates are the majority of the people complaining about DRM and copy protection and stuff,Armalite1016

I was saying pirates use it as an excuse, when it's not. It shouldn't be there, but then again, the entire reason it's there is to try and stop pirates. Also, I have a way. Fine anybody caught pirating with $10,000 or 5 years in jail $10,000 bail. And actually be strict about it too, unlike the music industry, which just randomly picks a victim every once in a while. If they actually tried to find people often, and actually punished people when they found them, it would significantly decrease it, because people wouldn't want to risk having to pay $10,000.

The Inquirer had an interesting link of the day up, Pirates Bay usage statistics.

http://geo.keff.org/

Otherwise known as were to not exclusively sell PC games, seems America and China are fighting over bigger pirate.

I've already used 3 of my 5 installs of Crysis Warhead and do you really think I'm going to throw another $30 out for my 6th install?Swiftstrike5

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Have you noticed how most of the time pirates are the majority of the people complaining about DRM and copy protection and stuff,Armalite1016

I was saying pirates use it as an excuse, when it's not. It shouldn't be there, but then again, the entire reason it's there is to try and stop pirates. Also, I have a way. Fine anybody caught pirating with $10,000 or 5 years in jail $10,000 bail. And actually be strict about it too, unlike the music industry, which just randomly picks a victim every once in a while. If they actually tried to find people often, and actually punished people when they found them, it would significantly decrease it, because people wouldn't want to risk having to pay $10,000.

The problem with your solution is that the gaming industry doesn't have a RIAA or MPAA...... So the publishers would have to sue the people indepedently, which is WAY too expensive to put into practice. EA is probably the only publisher that could afford it, but it still wouldn't stop piracy. The RIAA doesn't even sue 1% of the people pirating music...why? It would cost billions in legal fees and a lot of cases would be thrown out due to it being extremely hard to prove who pirated the object in question. The RIAA sued random people as a scare tactic, I wouldn't be surprised if they paid the newspapers to print the stories. It might have worked with some, but it didn't even leave a dent in piracy as a whole. You're more likely to get struck by lightning than to get sued by the RIAA, even if you download thousands of songs per month. The only people they can really go after is the people who sell the pirated versions of games in bulk or post on eBay and such...... Even MMOs which need a subscription to play get pirated and private servers are made. There is no solution to stopping piracy, even by 5%.......period. SuperBeast

dayum.. 1.6 million unique users connected to the tracker from the US alone per day? and that's actually connected to the tracker and actively uploading or downloading, not just browsing the site..Makari

The statistics are updated by the minute I'm afraid, not per day.

Have you noticed how most of the time pirates are the majority of the people complaining about DRM and copy protection and stuff, when they are the exact reason why developers put those there in the first place? I mean this sounds harsh, but how stupid can you people be? Apparently unbelievably stupid. That's right, you literally have to be a complete idiot to be a pirate. You like playing games, but don't even realize that you are ruining PC gaming as we know it. And if you try to defend piracy, don't bother, because that will just give away the fact that you are a pirate yourself, because the only people that actually support piracy are the pirates themselves.

DRM is not a valid excuse people, because whenever a game doesn't have DRM or any copy protection on it it almost gets more pirated than one with it. World of Goo, Prince of Persia, Sins of a Solar Empire, all games that were pirated like crazy, yet didn't have any copy protection at all, so stop using that as an excuse. Also stop using the excuse it's a bad game so I'm not going to pay for it. That excuse makes no sense. How would you know it's bad until you play it, aka, you made the decision to pirate it before you know how good or not it was, and if you played the demo, then you should have known it was bad in the first place and just not bought it. Not to mention, if a game is bad, why play it in the first place? Oh I know, it's just another poor excuse.

Just admit it pirates, the absolute only true reason you pirate games is because you don't want to pay for them. You're selfish, and think stealing is ok as long as the technicaldefinition of piracy isn't theft. Guess what, it's basically stealing, stop trying to find irrelevant loopholes to justify your own careless greed. There is not one valid excuse pirates can give, because when you really get down to it, the only reason you are pirating is because you don't want to pay for it, end of story.

Armalite1016

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Have you noticed how most of the time pirates are the majority of the people complaining about DRM and copy protection and stuff,SuperBeast

[QUOTE="Swiftstrike5"]I've already used 3 of my 5 installs of Crysis Warhead and do you really think I'm going to throw another $30 out for my 6th install?Makari

Installed it on my PC. Installed it on my laptop. Removed both (lack of hard drive space). Reinstalled on my PC after I got a new motherboard (my old one crapped out).

It shouldn't matter. It's still perfect proof that it's a huge burden to 'deauthorize' or call EA to get an extra install. Something pirates don't have to deal with. They also don't have to pay $30 in the first place.

I know I'll use 2 more installs eventually. Probably when I get a new computer. Then another one several years from now when I want to go back and play Crysis again for 'old times sake.'

PC games can sell well, look at the Witcher? Even Oblivion sold (very well) and that as far as I know only had a DVD-check. I own over 88 games for the PC, but even I don't like DRM, or limited installs...why? Because I don't feel like I actually own the game even though I paid for it - it is more of a rental. By taking away the control from the user, they are hurting the people who buy games. Starforce was another problem, I remember having problems with Silent Hunter III, and I owned the game, and still own it to this day now.

I don't buy as many now because my computer isn't at its' best performance anymore - it is three years old now. I may pick up King Bounty though when it is released soon - turned based strategy game.

free > not freeBlackStalker

Supporting developers>stealing.

[QUOTE="Makari"] dayum.. 1.6 million unique users connected to the tracker from the US alone per day? and that's actually connected to the tracker and actively uploading or downloading, not just browsing the site..AnnoyedDragon

The statistics are updated by the minute I'm afraid, not per day.

[QUOTE="BlackStalker"]free > not freeBlueBirdTS

Supporting developers>stealing.

Why do you hate piracy so much? Let people do what they want, I don't think it's right, but do you make games? No. So just keep buying games like the rest of us and let the pirates get subpoenas.nicknees93

Subpoenas? You think that all the millions of pirates are going to get called to court? The reason we hate piracy is because it discourages developers from creating original games on the PC and results in all sorts of annoying anti-piracy measures like DRM and SecuROM.

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[QUOTE="BlackStalker"]free > not freeBlackStalker

Supporting developers>stealing.

dogsh*t > you.

I love how people complain about how people download games for the pc. Yet they themselves probabbly go out and steal music, or movies.

How about instead of complaining about how people download things, and making like 40 topics a month on it, you focus your time on Solving the worlds problem.
I'm sure the world hunger crisis is more important than spending $15 a month for your wow/lotr or some other mmo, or even your computer. Yet you still sit there focusing your attention on piracy. Which btw, is 100% legal in canada, as well as other countries around the world. Quit talking about how pirates are horrrible people, when chances are none of you do anything for anyone, and simply sit around playing videogames and looking for something new to complain about.. Haven't found anything for awhile, have you?

The people that pirate PC games are NOT real gamers. Real gamers respect their hobby, not destroy it.spartan8579

[QUOTE="BlackStalker"][QUOTE="BlueBirdTS"]

Supporting developers>stealing.

Armalite1016

dogsh*t > you.

Haha thanks for your imput.

[QUOTE="spartan8579"]The people that pirate PC games are NOT real gamers. Real gamers respect their hobby, not destroy it.Nibroc420

It's ruining gaming for everyone who DOESN'T pirate due to security measures.

[QUOTE="Nibroc420"][QUOTE="spartan8579"]The people that pirate PC games are NOT real gamers. Real gamers respect their hobby, not destroy it.InternetKraken

It's ruining gaming for everyone who DOESN'T pirate due to security measures.

If you really want to discuss Piracy and have a decent debate on it, you will have to take it to another forum since its really easy to be moderated in here apparently.

For now enjoy throwing everyone in the same bag, with that logic we might as well believe in every stereotypes.

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Provide adiquet proof that it is destorying the PC industry without using a source with a bias.Nibroc420

It's ruining gaming for everyone who DOESN'T pirate due to security measures.

If developers/publishers aren't making money off the games, then there are only two possible outcomes in the future.

1. Even worse DRM measures

2. No more games.

Also, if a game sucks, simply don't play it at all. If you don't buy it, then the publishers will say that it didn't sell well because the game sucked. If it didn't sell well, but it was pirated 1 million times, than they'll say it didn't sell well because of pirates. Thus, we get stronger DRM with even crappier games. It's lose/lose for everyone in the end.

OP, your the idiot here. Pirates don't care about DRM, because well they STRIP IT. Problem solved. Also it is a legitimate argument as I'm sure as hell not paying for an inferior product ;)

Pirates > securom/developers supporting securom

You'd think people with engineering degrees would be smart enough to realize, pissing money away on sony's garbage is completely pointless since it's cracked and hacked before the game even hits stores.

stop crying about piracy. You already made a thread about this and you don't need to make another

http://www.gamespot.com/pages/forums/show_msgs.php?topic_id=26529758

World Of Goo , Sins of a solar empire no DRM => support developers

Devil May Cry 4 , Fallout 3 simple DRM disk check => support developers

Crysis Warhead , Spore bloody DRM limited installs + active online => Free

More bloody DRM => More pirating (Spore ok?)

Why do you care so much? If you're not a pirate then you have nothing to worry about and that's that.mo0ksi