If Skyrim mod support is as good as Oblivion mod support......

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#1 sami117
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The (modded) game will be legendary...

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#2 Remmib
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The base game is going to be crap...they dumbed so much stuff down it's ridiculous. Not to mention it's going to be riddled with bugs and crappy graphics since it's running on the GameBryo engine.

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^ Lol?
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^ Lol?SimplyFatal

I don't find a great PC franchise getting turned into a very lackluster franchise for consoles funny, but hey I guess not everyone can game on the supreme platform.

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[QUOTE="SimplyFatal"]^ Lol?Remmib

I don't find a great PC franchise getting turned into a very lackluster franchise for consoles funny, but hey I guess not everyone can game on the supreme platform.

Some people have a great rig and are still looking forward to skyrimm..No reason to put some one else down because maybe they dont..Im sure skyrimm will be find and than like every one else is doing now..They will release the patch later on for dx11..Its the change of times and it seams every one is doing this now..Doesnt mean either that skyrim will look bad the way it is..Cant judge untill you actually see pics of the game itself why not take a wait and see and than judge..

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[QUOTE="Remmib"]

[QUOTE="SimplyFatal"]^ Lol?Gladestone1

I don't find a great PC franchise getting turned into a very lackluster franchise for consoles funny, but hey I guess not everyone can game on the supreme platform.

Some people have a great rig and are still looking forward to skyrimm..No reason to put some one else down because maybe they dont..Im sure skyrimm will be find and than like every one else is doing now..They will release the patch later on for dx11..Its the change of times and it seams every one is doing this now..Doesnt mean either that skyrim will look bad the way it is..Cant judge untill you actually see pics of the game itself why not take a wait and see and than judge..

I'm not a graphics whore so that doesn't concern me too much. I still play games from 1999.

What I am annoyed by is the dumbing down of the skill and armor system, etc.

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The base game is going to be crap...they dumbed so much stuff down it's ridiculous. Not to mention it's going to be riddled with bugs and crappy graphics since it's running on the GameBryo engine.

Remmib

Have you been following the game at all? They stuff they have released looks great in terms of graphics because they fixed the horrible character models. Bugs in a Bethesda game are sort of expected because they don't know what QA means. I expect it to work better because of how modified the engine is but like I said you expect them going in.

I'll take a dumbed down Oblivion or Skyrim over the crap that is Morrowind. Oblivion had design flaws but Morrowind felt like it actively discouraged you to play it with the ridge racers and stupid combat system.

I'm not a graphics whore so that doesn't concern me too much. I still play games from 1999.

What I am annoyed by is the dumbing down of the skill and armor system, etc.

Remmib

Your previous post. "Not to mention it's going to be riddled with bugs and crappy graphics since it's running on the GameBryo engine."

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#8 sami117
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[QUOTE="Gladestone1"]

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

I don't find a great PC franchise getting turned into a very lackluster franchise for consoles funny, but hey I guess not everyone can game on the supreme platform.

Remmib

Some people have a great rig and are still looking forward to skyrimm..No reason to put some one else down because maybe they dont..Im sure skyrimm will be find and than like every one else is doing now..They will release the patch later on for dx11..Its the change of times and it seams every one is doing this now..Doesnt mean either that skyrim will look bad the way it is..Cant judge untill you actually see pics of the game itself why not take a wait and see and than judge..

I'm not a graphics whore so that doesn't concern me too much. I still play games from 1999.

What I am annoyed by is the dumbing down of the skill and armor system, etc.

Be calm my young Padawan, Oblivion was also dumped down, but mods will save it..

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#9 Remmib
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[QUOTE="Remmib"]

The base game is going to be crap...they dumbed so much stuff down it's ridiculous. Not to mention it's going to be riddled with bugs and crappy graphics since it's running on the GameBryo engine.

Whiteblade999

Have you been following the game at all? They stuff they have released looks great in terms of graphics because they fixed the horrible character models. Bugs in a Bethesda game are sort of expected because they don't know what QA means. I expect it to work better because of how modified the engine is but like I said you expect them going in.

I'll take a dumbed down Oblivion or Skyrim over the crap that is Morrowind. Oblivion had design flaws but Morrowind felt like it actively discouraged you to play it with the ridge racers and stupid combat system.

Your previous post. "Not to mention it's going to be riddled with bugs and crappy graphics since it's running on the GameBryo engine."

Morrowind is better than Oblivion; that is factual.

Skyrim should look waaay better, but I can get past crappy graphics...my real concern lies with the dumbing down of the game.

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[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

The base game is going to be crap...they dumbed so much stuff down it's ridiculous. Not to mention it's going to be riddled with bugs and crappy graphics since it's running on the GameBryo engine.

Remmib

Have you been following the game at all? They stuff they have released looks great in terms of graphics because they fixed the horrible character models. Bugs in a Bethesda game are sort of expected because they don't know what QA means. I expect it to work better because of how modified the engine is but like I said you expect them going in.

I'll take a dumbed down Oblivion or Skyrim over the crap that is Morrowind. Oblivion had design flaws but Morrowind felt like it actively discouraged you to play it with the ridge racers and stupid combat system.

Your previous post. "Not to mention it's going to be riddled with bugs and crappy graphics since it's running on the GameBryo engine."

Morrowind is better than Oblivion; that is factual.

Skyrim should look waaay better, but I can get past crappy graphics...my real concern lies with the dumbing down of the game.

Its not dumbed won wow people need to find out more info..All the skills are just going into the star modes..Nothing is being taken out..Some spells are going into other schools..We all no morrowind is the mother of all elder scrolls games..How ever some of us do enjoy the new games..Wait and see instead of crying about stuff an read about the skill set before saying its dumbed down..

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#11 Remmib
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Its not dumbed won wow people need to find out more info..All the skills are just going into the star modes..Nothing is being taken out..Some spells are going into other schools..We all no morrowind is the mother of all elder scrolls games..How ever some of us do enjoy the new games..Wait and see instead of crying about stuff an read about the skill set before saying its dumbed down..

Gladestone1

You know that there are only 1 or 2 armor slots now right? No more individual pieces of armor.

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[QUOTE="Remmib"]

[QUOTE="Gladestone1"]

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

I don't find a great PC franchise getting turned into a very lackluster franchise for consoles funny, but hey I guess not everyone can game on the supreme platform.

Some people have a great rig and are still looking forward to skyrimm..No reason to put some one else down because maybe they dont..Im sure skyrimm will be find and than like every one else is doing now..They will release the patch later on for dx11..Its the change of times and it seams every one is doing this now..Doesnt mean either that skyrim will look bad the way it is..Cant judge untill you actually see pics of the game itself why not take a wait and see and than judge..

I'm not a graphics whore so that doesn't concern me too much. I still play games from 1999.

What I am annoyed by is the dumbing down of the skill and armor system, etc.

Yep, and as long as consoles are around pc gaming will suffer for them.
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#13 deactivated-6243ee9902175
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[QUOTE="Whiteblade999"]

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

The base game is going to be crap...they dumbed so much stuff down it's ridiculous. Not to mention it's going to be riddled with bugs and crappy graphics since it's running on the GameBryo engine.

Remmib

Have you been following the game at all? They stuff they have released looks great in terms of graphics because they fixed the horrible character models. Bugs in a Bethesda game are sort of expected because they don't know what QA means. I expect it to work better because of how modified the engine is but like I said you expect them going in.

I'll take a dumbed down Oblivion or Skyrim over the crap that is Morrowind. Oblivion had design flaws but Morrowind felt like it actively discouraged you to play it with the ridge racers and stupid combat system.

Your previous post. "Not to mention it's going to be riddled with bugs and crappy graphics since it's running on the GameBryo engine."

Morrowind is better than Oblivion; that is factual.

Skyrim should look waaay better, but I can get past crappy graphics...my real concern lies with the dumbing down of the game.

The nostalgia is strong in this one. Morrowind has the world going for it and thats it even with all the mods. Oblivion has a combat system that at least works, a completely new game in Nehrim, mods that can fix the problems in game and fast travel which Morrowind really needed.

Edit so I don't derail the thread too much.

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Don't get ahead of yourself, I'd probably at least wait for the game to get released before you start anticipating mods. Probably won't see any awesome mods til a couple of years from now.
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#15 Lost-Memory
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The base game is going to be crap...they dumbed so much stuff down it's ridiculous. Not to mention it's going to be riddled with bugs and crappy graphics since it's running on the GameBryo engine.

Remmib
Uhh. Okay ? Just because their other games usually start out with a few bugs ( i honestly don't understand what people are getting so upset about, I've never had any game breaking bugs while i played ANY of their games. I'm starting to think too many spoiled rotten kids who are used to getting exactly what they want the very second they want it are playing games and crying about it) -- Anyways... I'd like to see your crystal ball so i can see how the game's launch looks too. As well, They're not even using the Gamebryo engine man, its called the Creation Engine. It looks way better and handles human models better too. It doesn't hurt to read something every now and again.
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Don't get ahead of yourself, I'd probably at least wait for the game to get released before you start anticipating mods. Probably won't see any awesome mods til a couple of years from now.KHAndAnime
Nah probably in about 4-8 months after launch you'll start seeing some very interesting and game-changing mods, like OOOs, Francescos etc. And not to mention some new questlines, companion characters, items, some small factions etc etc. Those that took couple years to make are the total conversions.
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#17 sinpkr
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only thing im worried about is wat they did with the armour .

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Game's not even out yet and we need a mod overhaul of the skill system...again. Skyrim's setup has us being jack of all trades again, and yet again even less armor options.

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[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"]Don't get ahead of yourself, I'd probably at least wait for the game to get released before you start anticipating mods. Probably won't see any awesome mods til a couple of years from now.mirgamer
Nah probably in about 4-8 months after launch you'll start seeing some very interesting and game-changing mods, like OOOs, Francescos etc. And not to mention some new questlines, companion characters, items, some small factions etc etc. Those that took couple years to make are the total conversions.

At their releases, I've never found of those mods to be that big, and of course you could only have one installed at a time without conflicts.
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All depends on the engine for me, Oblivion and Fallout were horrible to run for me so I may just get it on Xbox even though I have a very good PC.
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#21 Remmib
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[QUOTE="Remmib"]

The base game is going to be crap...they dumbed so much stuff down it's ridiculous. Not to mention it's going to be riddled with bugs and crappy graphics since it's running on the GameBryo engine.

Lost-Memory

Uhh. Okay ? Just because their other games usually start out with a few bugs ( i honestly don't understand what people are getting so upset about, I've never had any game breaking bugs while i played ANY of their games. I'm starting to think too many spoiled rotten kids who are used to getting exactly what they want the very second they want it are playing games and crying about it) -- Anyways... I'd like to see your crystal ball so i can see how the game's launch looks too. As well, They're not even using the Gamebryo engine man, its called the Creation Engine. It looks way better and handles human models better too. It doesn't hurt to read something every now and again.

The Creation Engine is simply a tweaked version of the GameBryo Engine. If you do not realize this then Bethesda's trickery has worked on you.

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The Creation Engine is simply a tweaked version of the GameBryo Engine. If you do not realize this then Bethesda's trickery has worked on you.Remmib

And? You understand that "tweaking" a game engine can lead to a large amount of improvements to the point it's totally unidentifiable from it's previous iteration. Would you have believed that The Witcher used a "tweaked" version of the engine that Planescape: Torment was built on if no one told you?

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[QUOTE="Gladestone1"]

[QUOTE="Remmib"]

I don't find a great PC franchise getting turned into a very lackluster franchise for consoles funny, but hey I guess not everyone can game on the supreme platform.

Remmib

Some people have a great rig and are still looking forward to skyrimm..No reason to put some one else down because maybe they dont..Im sure skyrimm will be find and than like every one else is doing now..They will release the patch later on for dx11..Its the change of times and it seams every one is doing this now..Doesnt mean either that skyrim will look bad the way it is..Cant judge untill you actually see pics of the game itself why not take a wait and see and than judge..

I'm not a graphics whore so that doesn't concern me too much. I still play games from 1999.

What I am annoyed by is the dumbing down of the skill and armor system, etc.

This. Skyrim is going to be a HUGE letdown.

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[QUOTE="Remmib"]The Creation Engine is simply a tweaked version of the GameBryo Engine. If you do not realize this then Bethesda's trickery has worked on you.MadCat46

And? You understand that "tweaking" a game engine can lead to a large amount of improvements to the point it's totally unidentifiable from it's previous iteration. Would you have believed that The Witcher used a "tweaked" version of the engine that Planescape: Torment was built on if no one told you?

Creation Engine and GameBryo are so similar that it is incredibly identifiable that the changes made were just minor tweaks. And no I wouldn't believe that because I am not an idiot.

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Creation Engine and GameBryo are so similar that it is incredibly identifiable that the changes made were just minor tweaks. And no I wouldn't believe that because I am not an idiot.Remmib

And you know this how, did they ever really get into technical detail what this engine is capable and what improvements they've made over the previous iteration or are you just assuming there's no real difference?

PS. You are aware Planescape and The Witcher both use the Auroa Engine right?

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[QUOTE="Remmib"]Creation Engine and GameBryo are so similar that it is incredibly identifiable that the changes made were just minor tweaks. And no I wouldn't believe that because I am not an idiot.MadCat46

And you know this how, did they ever really get into technical detail what this engine is capable and what improvements they've made over the previous iteration or are you just assuming there's no real difference?

PS. You are aware Planescape and The Witcher both use the Auroa Engine right?

Dude the engine is OBVIOUSLY the same one. It's a console game. The engine still won't be able to handle crap.

And wow compared two games, in the genre with the same type of gameplay. I really don't see anything impressive there with the Witcher 1.

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Stop whining. Every significant change I've read about Skyrim is a massive improvement or at worse a sidestep. Armor slots never made the game, and if it frees up resources and means more armor sets I say to heck with them. (and honestly who mixed/matched their armor in Oblivion? it looked hideous.)
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And wow compared two games, in the genre with the same type of gameplay. I really don't see anything impressive there with the Witcher 1.morrowindnic
Dude, stop talking.
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[QUOTE="Remmib"]Creation Engine and GameBryo are so similar that it is incredibly identifiable that the changes made were just minor tweaks. And no I wouldn't believe that because I am not an idiot.MadCat46

And you know this how, did they ever really get into technical detail what this engine is capable and what improvements they've made over the previous iteration or are you just assuming there's no real difference?

PS. You are aware Planescape and The Witcher both use the Auroa Engine right?

After watching a 30min gameplay demo of Skyrim, if they didn't say it was skyrim, I would have thought it was oblivion near the Bruma city
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The base game is going to be crap...they dumbed so much stuff down it's ridiculous. Not to mention it's going to be riddled with bugs and crappy graphics since it's running on the GameBryo engine.

Remmib

Skyrim runs on the creation engine, it was developed by Bethesda. Gamebryo was a third party engine i.e. not made by Bethesda. Or were you talking about Oblivion?

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#31 jedinat
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After watching a 30min gameplay demo of Skyrim, if they didn't say it was skyrim, I would have thought it was oblivion near the Bruma citywis3boi
I suppose it must have been a while since you played Oblivion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBWrCSIXpnE&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/user/mrpantsleeves#p/u/5/GiXZyZSjdDY
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http://secure.xfire.com/video/4216ab/

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Don't forget, with the Skyrim Editor, Pc mods will be able to be run through the console editor so they work on console.

I think this will mean MUCH fewer mods for Skyrim, as modders tend to be hardcore PC gamers and will not make mods if they think it will help the console market and blur one of the main differences between PC and console - mods!

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PS. You are aware Planescape and The Witcher both use the Auroa Engine right?MadCat46
Planescape torment used the infinity engine
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#34 jedinat
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Don't forget, with the Skyrim Editor, Pc mods will be able to be run through the console editor so they work on console.

I think this will mean MUCH fewer mods for Skyrim, as modders tend to be hardcore PC gamers and will not make mods if they think it will help the console market and blur one of the main differences between PC and console - mods!Humorguy_basic

This is a joke. Modders won't care. Good one anyways. I know a lot of them don't even play the game much, lol, they just like to mod.

Anyways, I can pretty much guarantee few mods will work on console. Ones that change damage modifiers or maybe retexture a sword... simple mods will probably work... not huge overhauls and such. I suppose there might end up being "console versions" of certain mods. The experience will still pale to that of the PC.

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#35 MLBknights58
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Oblivion was epic. Morrowind felt like it was trying to discourage me from playing and having fun. I modded the crap out of it on my PC and I still can't force myself to sit down and play that thing.

If Skyrim is half as good as Oblivion was I'll be a happy gamer for a long time. And I think this game looks great wtf? :|

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#36 alan_carter
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I didn't find necessary mods for making oblivion playable. Only mod i've used lately is that water enhacement included in natural enviroment (not sure whats the name)

But oblivion is a 2006 game, and i won't tolerate stuff like that in skyrim. Like all of u hav seen, in those gameplay vids u can notice that npcs walk, walk through stairs, and attack just like in oblivion and the fallout series... and thats pushing me back very badly..


Should i try to get one of the last copies of bf3 limited edition, so i'll get back to karkand for free, and wait a bit til skyrim so i get an idea of how broken (or not) things are?

I don't lose anything tbh, skyrim offers a cloth map, that will be replaced for an standard map for all other copies..