gtx460 vs gtx560 (also ti) vs ATI 6850 and 6870

So I've been looking at graphic cards a lot this past weeks and it kinda boils down to these for my price. I don't want to pay over 200 (even 200 is pushing it) so I want to get the best card for the buck. I've seen that the 560 is not much better than the 460 but is it better in the long run? For a few dollars more I wouldn't mind getting the 560 if it's more efficient and will last longer. Also, the "ti" version of it is much better I suppose?

Another thing that I don't get is the different cards with the same name, especially for the 460 overclocked. I'm going to link them here:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130568

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130571

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130567

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130565< not overclocked

On the other hand, the ATI cards I listed seem better for the same price. Is that true? Should I go with ATI instead? I prefer NVidia but I have a 4870 right now and I think it's fantastic.

Sorry, last request. I found these two cards that piqued my interest:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130611< this because it has 2GB memory

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127593< this because it's a 560 overclocked

Power wise

HD6950 > GTX 560 >> HD6870 > HD6850 < > GTX460

I say go for the GTX 560 if you can afford it otherwise, get the HD6870.

the 460 is a great card, i had it for a while. But the 6850 and 6870 are better cards overall...especially if you're thinking of going crossfire in the future. Sli 460 gtx just doesn't compare to the crossfire radeon 6xxx cards. The 560 ti is also a good card, but id get the 6950 instead.

You probably shouldn't ask me because I'm a die-hard NV fanboy, but I'll tell you what I think. I'd say to go for the 2GB GTX 460. I don't recommend going for the overclocked 560, because you can just use EVGA Precision on the 460.QWERTYCommander

The GTX 460 is weakest card out of the lineup in terms of price and performance.

EVGA Precision is a utility that monitors Graphics card info, controls fans, allows you to overclock, take screnshots, etc...

It's basically a graphics card control center and a very worthwhile utility to download.

I'd get a 560TI over a 2Gb 460. The extra memory won't make much of a difference, considering you're not going to want to play at anything beyond 1920*1080 with a 460.

Can't speak for the Ati cards because I've never owned one.

I don't know what EVGA precision is...is it overclocking? And I don't intend to use SLI or crossfire either.... @Blue Sky, by "power wise" you mean how powerful they are? So you're saying that the 560 is clearly better than the 460? But QWERTYCommander says that the 2GB 460 is better... tough decision indeed...does the 2GB memory really make a lot of difference? The price of that card and the overclocked 560 is identical, which is why I'm asking. I'm mostly worried about the card lasting as long as possible. I know that currently they run all games on high, but say 2 years in the future, which card would perform better?olgert56

Yes power/performance.

The GTX 560 is CLEARLY faster than the 460 (2GB) in every regard. About 15-20% faster. I never seen a benchmark that would suggest otherwise. Although they're both based on the Fermi arch, the 560 rates at much higher clocks on stock. The extra 1GB of VRAM would give it bit of an advantage for Crysis 1, because the engine is badly optimised and a VRAM hog but even then the 560 would come out on top from just sheer performance.

It's not an opinon but a fact. It's not even debatable. The GTX460 is the weakest card out of that lineup. I think it's silly to consider that over a HD6870 which is just $5-10 more expensive.

The 560 is on par with the 6870 but the Ti version is much better.

yes it is negligible..i think *you are compromising* on anything if you get the 560 cuz it really good and can still max anything you play with AA and physx.gravitygamer

The 560 is on par with the 6870 but the Ti version is much better.

Blue-Sky

I the Ti version is also 60-80 dollars more :P

The GTX 560 (non Ti), is a lot better than a 460.
I say get the GTX 560 non Ti (save money, and there's barely any difference anyway, plus you could just OC it).

The 560 is good for resolutions below 1080p, so if you play below 1080p, go the 560.

Definitely the best card for the money this gen imo.

Yes power/performance.

The GTX 560 is CLEARLY faster than the 460 (2GB) in every regard. About 15-20% faster. I never seen a benchmark that would suggest otherwise. Although they're both based on the Fermi arch, the 560 rates at much higher clocks on stock. The extra 1GB of VRAM would give it bit of an advantage for Crysis 1, because the engine is badly optimised and a VRAM hog but even then the 560 would come out on top from just sheer performance.

It's not an opinon but a fact. It's not even debatable. The GTX460 is the weakest card out of that lineup. I think it's silly to consider that over a HD6870 which is just $5-10 more expensive.

Blue-Sky

The GTX 560 is really nothing more than an overclocked GTX 460. They have the same number of CUDA cores, the only differences are the clocks. The GTX 560 Ti actually has more CUDA cores (384) and is a bit faster.

If he already has a GTX 460 then even a GTX 560 Ti will not be much of an upgrade. I would go with at least a GTX 570 or Radeon 6950.

I have a 560Ti and its superb.

The GTX 560 (non Ti), is a lot better than a 460.
I say get the GTX 560 non Ti (save money, and there's barely any difference anyway, plus you could just OC it).

The 560 is good for resolutions below 1080p, so if you play below 1080p, go the 560.

Definitely the best card for the money this gen imo.

TheAcountantMan

That's the 8800GT and that chart says it all the 6870 is probably much better value it has a lower min rate at 1080p but has only a 2 frame lower average rate.

If you can wait till this fall I would, there are rumors that the first batch of new cards are coming out sooner than later, which would drop the 560 ti into your price range or maybe even a 6970 or 570 if you are hunting ebay.

You may have already made a purchase, but I endorse the GTX 560 Ti, particularly one of the factory overclocked versions with an aftermarket cooler design. The higher-clocked, dual-fan MSI variants (Twin Frozr and HAWK) are great cards, as is the Gigabyte 560 Ti SOC. The SOC 950 and 1000mhz versions of the Gigabyte card are neck and neck with a stock GTX 570, while costing quite a bit less. MSI has at least one version that's roughly equal as well.

I haven't yet, but I think I'll go with the 560. It's cheaper and performs better than the 460 and a bit less than the "ti"...but it's also $50 cheaper. olgert56

The GTX 560 is pretty pointless IMO. You can get the same or better performance out of an overclocked GTX 460 1GB. Skip the 560. Either get a GTX 460 1GB or a 560 Ti. At least the Ti has 384 cores AND higher clock speeds. The 560 is literally just an overclocked GTX 460.

[QUOTE="olgert56"]I haven't yet, but I think I'll go with the 560. It's cheaper and performs better than the 460 and a bit less than the "ti"...but it's also $50 cheaper. hartsickdiscipl

The GTX 560 is pretty pointless IMO. You can get the same or better performance out of an overclocked GTX 460 1GB. Skip the 560. Either get a GTX 460 1GB or a 560 Ti. At least the Ti has 384 cores AND higher clock speeds. The 560 is literally just an overclocked GTX 460.

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[QUOTE="olgert56"]I haven't yet, but I think I'll go with the 560. It's cheaper and performs better than the 460 and a bit less than the "ti"...but it's also $50 cheaper. gravitygamer

The GTX 560 is pretty pointless IMO. You can get the same or better performance out of an overclocked GTX 460 1GB. Skip the 560. Either get a GTX 460 1GB or a 560 Ti. At least the Ti has 384 cores AND higher clock speeds. The 560 is literally just an overclocked GTX 460.

The 6870 is better at reference clocks, but a GTX 460 with a good overclock overtakes it. Factor in Physx and Cuda, and it could just as easily be considered the better, more complete GPU. The beauty of the GTX 560 Ti with a good factory OC is that you guarantee yourself performance within 2-3% of the GTX 570 for quite a bit less money. You could go 6950, but then you miss out on Physx and Cuda again. I am somewhat pro-Nvidia at this point due to my experience with AMD drivers and control panel with the 5870 and 3870.

But I've seen several benchmarks and the 560 always seem to perform better than the 460. Granted, not by a lot but it's still better for about 30 dollars more. Unless I've been looking at the wrong benchmarks.

But I've seen several benchmarks and the 560 always seem to perform better than the 460. Granted, not by a lot but it's still better for about 30 dollars more. Unless I've been looking at the wrong benchmarks.

olgert56

I don't know about you, but I'm not willing to pay 30 dollars more for a product that performs only slightly better when I can get even better performance by quickly and easily overclocking the cheaper product.

However, if you're not willing to OC, and you're not wanting to pay the extra for the 560 Ti or the 6950, the GTX 560 is a pretty good buy at it's current price (newegg). I didn't realize how hard it is to come by a GTX 460 1GB with a decent factory overclock for a good price these days. I guess they've started putting all of those higher-binned GF104 chips into the 560's these days.