GTX 350 - hoax or legit leak?

Haven't seen any posts on this yet, so my apologies if I missed anything and it's already been posted. The news on this came yesterday.

I was checking the comparison of nVidia cards on Wikipedia today, and noticed the GTX 350 had been added on there. It had two references, Tweaktown (who allegedly got the news from Techpowerup) and Hardspell. Not sure if it's legit or not, what do you guys think? If it is, this looks like it could be one beast of a card. 2GB of GDDR5 ( :shock: ), 480 stream processors ( :shock: ); clock speeds of 830MHz core ( :shock: ), 2075MHz shader ( :shock: ), and 3360MHz memory (I assume that's GDDR5-effective speed). It's just a single-GPU card, as far as I can tell. Single 576mm die, same as the GT200s.

Even with a 55nm fab process, that's going to be one power-hungry single GPU, though I suppose it might be a little more efficient than the 4870X2 (which is probably what it'd be designed to compete with).

So what do you think? Is it even possible they could fit double the TPC's on there, with stream processors clocked to the heavens and beyond? Do you think this is for real? Or is it fake? I'm not sure what to think. I don't think Tweaktown would put this out there if they didn't feel it could be real, themselves, but... the specs just sound incredible.

O M G

i have a 5200FX.....im a bit late dont you think >.>

and, if its on wikipedia, maaaybe its legit O_0

Maybe they skipped GDDR4 for the time being at least. They may make a mid range card with GDDR4 and use GDDR5 for their big guns. Two of these on one card would own for a few years I think! I knew nVidia would counter the 4870x2 eventually, would be awesome if this was it!covertgamer78

I still wonder why nVidia by passed GDDR4. ATI has been using it for 2 years already (since the X1950XTX card).

[QUOTE="covertgamer78"]Maybe they skipped GDDR4 for the time being at least. They may make a mid range card with GDDR4 and use GDDR5 for their big guns. Two of these on one card would own for a few years I think! I knew nVidia would counter the 4870x2 eventually, would be awesome if this was it!nVidiaGaMer

I still wonder why nVidia by passed GDDR4. ATI has been using it for 2 years already (since the X1950XTX card).

nVidia is all about 1uping ATi, they won't lower themselves to mere GDDR4 unless they introduce a budget line

Tweaktown, Hardspell? I'm putting my money on BS :|...............X360PS3AMD05

Tweaktown is usually one of the more reliable hardware sources out there. Never heard of Hardspell before now, though.

and, if its on wikipedia, maaaybe its legit O_0

12345yon

Like I pointed out in the OP, there were references for it on Wiki, and I'm basing the possibility of legitimacy on them, not Wiki. Wiki merely brought my attention to it.

With G200b coming before the end of the year, yes a mere shrink of G200, there is nothing new coming from Nvidia until mid 2009. Late Q2/Q3 we should see a 40nm slightly tweaked G200.

The thing is, with a 40nm shrink we will probably be looking at a chip between 300-400mm2 which immediately means they have to drop the 512bit bus, not enough perimeter. I would imagine if it was close to 400mm2 448bit would fit but closer to 300mm2 and we should be looking at 384bit. Nvidia linking ROPs and the memory controller is the problem, they would have to increase the number of ROPs per 64bit memory controller to increase the ROP amount.

Memory obviously 768mb and 1.5Gb would allow for seperate bins, depending on the bus size we still might be seeing 2.2ghz GDDR3 but 3.6ghz GDDR5 isn't out of the question, especially since I can see Nvidia wanting to hit 200Gbps of bandwidth before AMD/ATi.

Shader wise, anywhere from 320-480shaders seems doable. Obviously keeping the MADD+MUL for 3FP ops per clock will save time rather than having to build a new architecture. I am expecting a new architecture from both Nvidia and AMD/ATi pretty soon here, especially after moving to 40nm.

Clock-wise, we shouldn't see ridiculous clocks like these claims, especially if this is a pretty big revamp of the architecture. I would imagine another 600-700mhz for the core, 1500-1750mhz for the shaders and 2.2-3.6ghz for the memory. With the above specs this would pretty easily put the transistor count around 1.8-2bil. With a transistor count that high even 700mhz would be insanely fast.

~1.5-2.5TFlops
~173-202Gbps

With G200b coming before the end of the year, yes a mere shrink of G200, there is nothing new coming from Nvidia until mid 2009. Late Q2/Q3 we should see a 40nm slightly tweaked G200.

LordEC911

So you think this GTX 350 is a fake?

[QUOTE="LordEC911"]

With G200b coming before the end of the year, yes a mere shrink of G200, there is nothing new coming from Nvidia until mid 2009. Late Q2/Q3 we should see a 40nm slightly tweaked G200.

JP_Russell

So you think this GTX 350 is a fake?

[QUOTE="LordEC911"]

With G200b coming before the end of the year, yes a mere shrink of G200, there is nothing new coming from Nvidia until mid 2009. Late Q2/Q3 we should see a 40nm slightly tweaked G200.

JP_Russell

So you think this GTX 350 is a fake?

As if you just asked that.

[QUOTE="LordEC911"]

With G200b coming before the end of the year, yes a mere shrink of G200, there is nothing new coming from Nvidia until mid 2009. Late Q2/Q3 we should see a 40nm slightly tweaked G200.

JP_Russell

So you think this GTX 350 is a fake?

He said that its possible, but not this year.

[QUOTE="JP_Russell"][QUOTE="LordEC911"]

With G200b coming before the end of the year, yes a mere shrink of G200, there is nothing new coming from Nvidia until mid 2009. Late Q2/Q3 we should see a 40nm slightly tweaked G200.

wklzip

So you think this GTX 350 is a fake?

He said that its possible, but not this year.

I thought he was referring to the 40nm lineup that he did some guesswork on the specs of were what was coming later. In other words, he didn't think this card with these specs is real at all, and he was estimating what sort of specs we actually will see when something new (the "40nm slightly tweaked G200") comes on down the line.

I hope its legit, if so I will get a gtx 280 when the prices drop :D.nooblet69

I'm with you man. Unless, the new GTX's are reasonably priced like the HD4870x2 was - I will get the new lineup. :D

[QUOTE="nVidiaGaMer"]

[QUOTE="covertgamer78"]Maybe they skipped GDDR4 for the time being at least. They may make a mid range card with GDDR4 and use GDDR5 for their big guns. Two of these on one card would own for a few years I think! I knew nVidia would counter the 4870x2 eventually, would be awesome if this was it!covertgamer78

I still wonder why nVidia by passed GDDR4. ATI has been using it for 2 years already (since the X1950XTX card).

nVidia is all about 1uping ATi, they won't lower themselves to mere GDDR4 unless they introduce a budget line

I believe they are mixing this up with the GTX280 on 55nm, which will not be the 4870x2 killer. It takes alot more than a die shrink and an increased core clock, even with the GDDR5 memory. It needs a a ton of more Stream Processes. Not only does nvidia have to fight the 4870x2, but the later to come 4850x2. 9mmSpliff

and streaming processes isnt the only thing that matters on a GPU...

if you know about GPU's, then you should know this..

second you are comparing a single gpu card, to a multi-gpu card, why is it so many people forget this????

I believe they are mixing this up with the GTX280 on 55nm, which will not be the 4870x2 killer. It takes alot more than a die shrink and an increased core clock, even with the GDDR5 memory. It needs a a ton of more Stream Processes. Not only does nvidia have to fight the 4870x2, but the later to come 4850x2. 9mmSpliff

I agree, GT200b couldn't come close to the 4870X2, though you're forgetting it also has a pretty sharp shader clock increase (+25%). This is as opposed to the 9800GTX+, which only had a small one (about +8%). I expect a bit more of an improvement from it than the 9800GTX+ was over the 9800GTX, though still nothing to go crazy about. As for the 4850X2, the only problem with that card is that it won't always scale well and will occasionally only perform equally to one 4850, or barely better. That's the biggest reason I will never buy a multi-GPU card and why they hold no merit for me; I wouldn't buy a $400 card if I knew it might not pull the weight of its price in every game I played. That, and micro stuttering.

This GTX 350, were it true, I think could easily give the 4870X2 a run for its money with the kind of specs it has, especially taking into account instances of micro stuttering and poor scaling.

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]I believe they are mixing this up with the GTX280 on 55nm, which will not be the 4870x2 killer. It takes alot more than a die shrink and an increased core clock, even with the GDDR5 memory. It needs a a ton of more Stream Processes. Not only does nvidia have to fight the 4870x2, but the later to come 4850x2. Lach0121

and streaming processes isnt the only thing that matters on a GPU...

if you know about GPU's, then you should know this..

second you are comparing a single gpu card, to a multi-gpu card, why is it so many people forget this????

I agree, but it seems that its the only thing that matters to nvidia, the g200 while being redesigned was added a lot more streaming processors forgetting about the texture units. Now they are even calling those streaming processors as "cores".

And second because that dual gpu 4870x2 is capable of beating 2 gtx280 in sli.

[QUOTE="Lach0121"]

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]I believe they are mixing this up with the GTX280 on 55nm, which will not be the 4870x2 killer. It takes alot more than a die shrink and an increased core clock, even with the GDDR5 memory. It needs a a ton of more Stream Processes. Not only does nvidia have to fight the 4870x2, but the later to come 4850x2. wklzip

and streaming processes isnt the only thing that matters on a GPU...

if you know about GPU's, then you should know this..

second you are comparing a single gpu card, to a multi-gpu card, why is it so many people forget this????

I agree, but it seems that its the only thing that matters to nvidia, the g200 while being redesigned was added a lot more streaming processors forgetting about the texture units. Now they are even calling those streaming processors as "cores".

And second because that dual gpu 4870x2 is capable of beating 2 gtx280 in sli.

[QUOTE="wklzip"][QUOTE="Lach0121"]

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]I believe they are mixing this up with the GTX280 on 55nm, which will not be the 4870x2 killer. It takes alot more than a die shrink and an increased core clock, even with the GDDR5 memory. It needs a a ton of more Stream Processes. Not only does nvidia have to fight the 4870x2, but the later to come 4850x2. Lach0121

and streaming processes isnt the only thing that matters on a GPU...

if you know about GPU's, then you should know this..

second you are comparing a single gpu card, to a multi-gpu card, why is it so many people forget this????

I agree, but it seems that its the only thing that matters to nvidia, the g200 while being redesigned was added a lot more streaming processors forgetting about the texture units. Now they are even calling those streaming processors as "cores".

And second because that dual gpu 4870x2 is capable of beating 2 gtx280 in sli.

also by that merrit a single 4870 should outpreform a single gtx 280, but it doesnt.

Wasnt this 2gb single gpu card already proven to be fake a few weeks ago?Spartan8907

I don't know what card you mean, but the news and rumors on this card are pretty recent (22nd).

And second because that dual gpu 4870x2 is capable of beating 2 gtx280 in sli.

wklzip

Egh? Very rarely perhaps, as in only in applications that severely favor ATI hardware or have worse SLI scaling than Crossfire.

[QUOTE="Lach0121"][QUOTE="wklzip"][QUOTE="Lach0121"]

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]I believe they are mixing this up with the GTX280 on 55nm, which will not be the 4870x2 killer. It takes alot more than a die shrink and an increased core clock, even with the GDDR5 memory. It needs a a ton of more Stream Processes. Not only does nvidia have to fight the 4870x2, but the later to come 4850x2. Lach0121

and streaming processes isnt the only thing that matters on a GPU...

if you know about GPU's, then you should know this..

second you are comparing a single gpu card, to a multi-gpu card, why is it so many people forget this????

I agree, but it seems that its the only thing that matters to nvidia, the g200 while being redesigned was added a lot more streaming processors forgetting about the texture units. Now they are even calling those streaming processors as "cores".

And second because that dual gpu 4870x2 is capable of beating 2 gtx280 in sli.

also by that merrit a single 4870 should outpreform a single gtx 280, but it doesnt.

Odd.

At Fry's Electronics I think I saw a GTX 350 graphics card sitting next to the other high-end graphics cards.

Or maybe I was seeing things, and it was just a 3500FX Quad graphics card. But then why was that next to the 9800GX2's and 4870x2, and GTX 280???

I hope they come out new a new graphics card (meaning nVidia) despite the, as of late, graphics card frenzy that has been going on.

There needs to be another drive down in prices for the 9 series (by at least $25-$50) and the GTX 260 (which I have seen one for only $200).

Odd.

At Fry's Electronics I think I saw a GTX 350 graphics card sitting next to the other high-end graphics cards.

Or maybe I was seeing things, and it was just a 3500FX Quad graphics card. But then why was that next to the 9800GX2's and 4870x2, and GTX 280???

xialon

Interesting. Another possible listing sighting of the card from a different retail outlet. Here's to hoping you in fact were not hallucinating.

*shakes head at fanboys*9mmSpliff

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]*shakes head at fanboys*Lach0121

Ehhhh... please show me anything Spliff has said that might imply he is a fanboy.

*shakes head at fanboys*9mmSpliff

I agree with that notion.

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]*shakes head at fanboys*Lach0121

How is that irony? :| Do you even know the meaning of irony?

]capable but not always, and not in all aplications. i prefer nvidia anyway, much more stable company than amd/ati. though i have an amd processor, which i will change given the oppertunity and extra cash.Lach0121

*shakes head at fanboys*9mmSpliff

To whom are you referring? Not me, I hope.

[QUOTE="Lach0121"][QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]*shakes head at fanboys*LordEC911

Ehhhh... please show me anything Spliff has said that might imply he is a fanboy.

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]*shakes head at fanboys*Wesker776

I agree with that notion.

[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"]*shakes head at fanboys*Lach0121

How is that irony? :| Do you even know the meaning of irony?

]capable but not always, and not in all aplications. i prefer nvidia anyway, much more stable company than amd/ati. though i have an amd processor, which i will change given the oppertunity and extra cash.Lach0121

secondly, i very much know the meaning of irony... which is why i didnt use the term hypocrit.

third, Nvidia has always been more stable for me and my friends, on Drivers, game support, less compatability issues... and has had a more stable run with my experience and thiers in my 22 years of gaming,,,, buti do have to give ATI much credit for these issues have not been as bad this past year or two honestly... for the record. and are workign better.

fourth not to say that ATI hasnt done great things, nor that nvidia hasnt F'd up from time to time, just in my experience, nvidia is better for me..., and honestly i should of included the abbreviations IMO, or the phrase in my opinion in my second quote you have from me there, but i just wasnt thinking about it.

so fanboy im not, just because i prefer one company over the other, does not make me a fanboy...

now if i were to say, ATI sucks, ati will never get ahead not once in its existance, and never buy any of their products from blind biased points of view, then yes i would be..

but that being said i just bought my GF a ATI HD3870 for her pc... because i figured it would be better for her to stay with ati, instead of switching to nvidia.

but i still prefer nvidia.

"Stable company" not "stable drivers/cards."
Interesting retreat...

"Stable company" not "stable drivers/cards."
Interesting retreat...

LordEC911

lol retreat??? right...

wow...that thing is gunna be REALLY expensive..like a centillion dollarsnish2280

BUt don't forget, that for that you will get a consistent 60 fps in crysis!... at 1280x712... when looking at the sky...

[QUOTE="nish2280"]wow...that thing is gunna be REALLY expensive..like a centillion dollarsUnlimitedToast7

BUt don't forget, that for that you will get a consistent 60 fps in crysis!... at 1280x712... when looking at the sky...

Dude, a card like the GTX 350, were it for real, could very easily run Crysis on all very high, 1920x1200 with very playable frames. Could probably even put some AA and AF on. As it is, my GTX 260 plays the game on all high at 1600x1200 with 2X AA, and the lowest I've ever dipped was 25FPS. Oh yeah, and I get 120FPS looking at the sky, so there. :P

[QUOTE="UnlimitedToast7"]

[QUOTE="nish2280"]wow...that thing is gunna be REALLY expensive..like a centillion dollarsJP_Russell

BUt don't forget, that for that you will get a consistent 60 fps in crysis!... at 1280x712... when looking at the sky...

Dude, a card like the GTX 350, were it for real, could very easily run Crysis on all very high, 1920x1200 with very playable frames. Could probably even put some AA and AF on. As it is, my GTX 260 plays the game on all high at 1600x1200 with 2X AA, and the lowest I've ever dipped was 25FPS. Oh yeah, and I get 120FPS looking at the sky, so there. :P

Thats a great quote.