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#1 Posted by thehig1 (6212 posts) -

It's that time, I have enough money saved up to upgrade my 7850.

What is the better option between the r9 290x or the 7990.

I can get either of them for about the same price at a store I get my pc parts from.

Also bear in mind my psu is 750w but an unknown make, so I'm unsure it actually hits 750w probably nearer 500 or 600.

Anyway what would give better performance and less likely to strain the psu.

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#2 Posted by deactivated-579f651eab962 (5404 posts) -

290X all the way!

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#3 Posted by thehig1 (6212 posts) -

I've been reading that games that support crossfire will fair better on the 7990 but games that don't , you will get performance of a 7970.

Do enough games support crossfire to make it worth while

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#4 Posted by deactivated-579f651eab962 (5404 posts) -

As an SLI user I can't really help but if you have a game that doesn't you'll be running on what is basically a 7970.

R9 290X is what you need.

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#5 Edited by PfizersaurusRex (1116 posts) -

I would only recommend CF as an upgrade, so in your case adding another 7850, which is not a bad deal for the price, but since you got the money for 290X go for it. Single card is less heat, less noise, less problems, etc. when compared to CF.

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#6 Posted by thehig1 (6212 posts) -

@PfizersaurusRex: sorry might not have explained myself very well.

I don't intend to crossfire my 7850, I don't have the motherboard for it, my motherboard only has on pci-e slot.

The 7990 is basically two 7970 cards in one, so it only takes on pci-e slot and doesn't use as much power

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#7 Posted by PfizersaurusRex (1116 posts) -

@thehig1: Yes I understand you're looking to replace the 7850. But if your motherboard doesn't have another PCIE x16 then I'm not sure if it will support 7990. Did you check? Running 7990 is basically CF on a single PCI-E x16 slot, with 8 lanes dedicated to each GPU.

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#8 Posted by thehig1 (6212 posts) -

@PfizersaurusRex: I see what you mean I thought I might have been okay with it needing only on pci-e slot, although I know it will hog 3 slots but I have nothing else in the pci slots anyway.

My motherboard is Asus m5a78l-m usb 3.

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#9 Posted by PfizersaurusRex (1116 posts) -

@thehig1: Bad news. But as I sad a single card (a single GPU card, that is) is the way to go anyway. BTW what CPU do you have?

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#10 Edited by thehig1 (6212 posts) -

@PfizersaurusRex: thanks, I'll be getting an r9 then I have an fx 8350 by the way

I can stop it with the 7990 now, I was wooed by its benchmarks and it has 6gb of memory which may come in handy.

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#11 Edited by AdamPA1006 (6422 posts) -

R9 290 aftermarket cooler

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#12 Posted by thehig1 (6212 posts) -

@AdamPA1006: does it need one? Now I stopped ones seeing over the 7990 I'm even considering the 280x and saving some of the money to get a ssd

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#13 Edited by PfizersaurusRex (1116 posts) -

I wouldn't trust that board with FX-8350, maybe only as a temporary solution. And no reason to buy 8350 when you can have 8320 for less money. Same chip.

edti: sry, I thought you said 8350 on the way, not by the way :). So, it's running ok? I'd expect to see CPU throttling.

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#14 Edited by jun_aka_pekto (22649 posts) -

@PfizersaurusRex said:

I wouldn't trust that board with FX-8350, maybe only as a temporary solution. And no reason to buy 8350 when you can have 8320 for less money. Same chip.

edti: sry, I thought you said 8350 on the way, not by the way :). So, it's running ok? I'd expect to see CPU throttling.

If you mean with regards to reliability, it's fine. I've had an FX-8350 paired with the ASUS M5L78L-M/USB3 since April of 2013. It's been great with no hiccups. Probably not the best for overclocking. I did get a stable 4.4Ghz on air cooling and (I think) no voltage adjustment. But, I don't really have a need for overclocking anyway.

It's been a year of hard use too with lots of encoding and rendering jobs in addition to gaming.

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#15 Posted by thehig1 (6212 posts) -

@jun_aka_pekto: yep mine has been over clocked at 4.5ghz with air cooling since November and it's been great. It's a power house.

I have a really good air cooler a phanteks th pc-14pe.

Also my pc is on a massive window sill with window open a crack so ambient temp is low, my cpu under load peaks at about 50.

How would I know there is any cpu throttling? If anything was holding my cpu back i would have guessed it's my 7850.

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#16 Posted by Bikouchu35 (8201 posts) -
@thehig1 said:

@AdamPA1006: does it need one? Now I stopped ones seeing over the 7990 I'm even considering the 280x and saving some of the money to get a ssd

@thehig1 said:

@PfizersaurusRex: thanks, I'll be getting an r9 then I have an fx 8350 by the way

I can stop it with the 7990 now, I was wooed by its benchmarks and it has 6gb of memory which may come in handy.

Yes the reference cooler on 290(x) sucks and thats what I have. Consider the vanilla 290 it is cheaper than 290x without much performance hit. 280x = 7970 in case you aren't aware.

7990 = 3gb useable anyway since is two gpu in one. While 290s have 4gb.

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#17 Posted by thehig1 (6212 posts) -

@Bikouchu35: hmm, so if I got a 7990 it would work, but basically as a 7970 then if I got a crossfire motherboard I could unlock it's full potential.

Would there be a noticeable difference between a 7850 and 7970...

I've kind of got my heart set on a 7990 all that gbs :)

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#18 Posted by Bikouchu35 (8201 posts) -

@thehig1 said:

@Bikouchu35: hmm, so if I got a 7990 it would work, but basically as a 7970 then if I got a crossfire motherboard I could unlock it's full potential.

Would there be a noticeable difference between a 7850 and 7970...

I've kind of got my heart set on a 7990 all that gbs :)

Seriously 7990 is still 3gb and takes one lane only. I recommend selling the 7850 to justify the upgrade to a 7970 otherwise you are spending way too much for a modest gain. Used 7970 are dirt cheap on ebay, but so are the 290/x though sadly they are reference models.

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#19 Posted by jun_aka_pekto (22649 posts) -

@thehig1 said:

@jun_aka_pekto: yep mine has been over clocked at 4.5ghz with air cooling since November and it's been great. It's a power house.

I have a really good air cooler a phanteks th pc-14pe.

Also my pc is on a massive window sill with window open a crack so ambient temp is low, my cpu under load peaks at about 50.

How would I know there is any cpu throttling? If anything was holding my cpu back i would have guessed it's my 7850.

Ha Ha! I might have to do the same for mine. I'm currently using a miniATX minitower case. With my Gigabyte GTX 560 Ti Wind Force, I've been able to get away with not having a front inlet fan. Now with my GTX 770, I'll have to mount a front inlet fan plus jerry-rig somehow, an exhaust fan right next to the video card. That GTX 770 runs hot in comparison. Mental note: stick to a reference design which have an exhaust port at the back.

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#20 Posted by Tabris91 (7779 posts) -

7990 is significantly better performance than a 290X, but the 290X is easier to deal with.

If you're running at 1920x1080 just go with the 290X.

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#21 Posted by thehig1 (6212 posts) -

@Postmortem123: Good point, I use a TV as my monitor so 1080p is max.

Take a look at the reviews my PSU has gotten Ticking Timnebomb

I'm going to have to get a new PSU before I get a GPU, im lucky its not blown on me powering my FX 8350 and 7850. Although it has been fine running games like Tomb Raider and Watch Dogs, Metro etc etc.

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#22 Posted by Tabris91 (7779 posts) -

I've never heard of the brand honestly, so yeah I would recommend you change it.

The 7850 doesn't suck much juice so that's probably why.

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#23 Posted by thehig1 (6212 posts) -

@Postmortem123: dam, changing your PSU is not as sexy as changing the GPU haha. I must be sensible though.

Does this mean anything 80+ genuine, it is officially 80+ certified, or would still not trust it and say its not worth the risk of putting more load on it

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#24 Edited by jun_aka_pekto (22649 posts) -

@thehig1 said:

@jun_aka_pekto: yep mine has been over clocked at 4.5ghz with air cooling since November and it's been great. It's a power house.

I have a really good air cooler a phanteks th pc-14pe.

Also my pc is on a massive window sill with window open a crack so ambient temp is low, my cpu under load peaks at about 50.

How would I know there is any cpu throttling? If anything was holding my cpu back i would have guessed it's my 7850.

I keep mine at the default speeds nowadays. It isn't the fastest in games. But, it plays them well enough. What I like about the FX-8350 is playing a game at 1080p and being able to record it at 1080p without losing framerates. Not too long ago, if my framerates in a game were only in the mid-30's, recording videos at any resolution was unthinkable. With the FX-8350, it's a breeze to record at 1080p and not have a drop in framerates.

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#25 Posted by PfizersaurusRex (1116 posts) -

@jun_aka_pekto: I could capture my gameplay with Athlon II X3 with no fps drop :). But only with Nvidia Shadowplay, of course. When FX came out it made me regret going AM3+ but it turnes out new games are slowly taking advantage of the new architecture.

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#26 Posted by jun_aka_pekto (22649 posts) -

@PfizersaurusRex said:

@jun_aka_pekto: I could capture my gameplay with Athlon II X3 with no fps drop :). But only with Nvidia Shadowplay, of course. When FX came out it made me regret going AM3+ but it turnes out new games are slowly taking advantage of the new architecture.

I wish my GTX 560 Ti supported Shadowplay. But, alas, it got left out. So, I had to rely on good ol CPU power. Unfortunately, my previous Phenom II wasn't up to the task either.

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#27 Posted by thehig1 (6212 posts) -

So its between the two r9 cards for my choice of gpu. The 280x or the 290x.

Another note in only game in 1080p because I use a TV, so would the 290x be overkill for its price and my usage.

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#28 Posted by Tabris91 (7779 posts) -

I wouldn't really recommend the 290x over the 290. The 290x costs £100 more and clock for clock is only 5% faster.

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#29 Posted by thehig1 (6212 posts) -

So its between the two r9 cards for my choice of gpu. The 280x or the 290x.

Another note in only game in 1080p because I use a TV, so would the 290x be overkill for its price and my usage.

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#30 Posted by PredatorRules (11994 posts) -

@thehig1 said:

So its between the two r9 cards for my choice of gpu. The 280x or the 290x.

R9 290 with 3rd party cooling, you save a lot of money and get close to 290X performance.

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#31 Posted by glez13 (9761 posts) -

Honestly right now I wouldn't go past R9 290. X is just no so worth the price jump compared to performance in general.

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#32 Posted by Tabris91 (7779 posts) -

Yep, the 290 PCS+ has the exact same performance as a 290X.

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#34 Posted by Tabris91 (7779 posts) -

@Chatch09 said:

Damn.....this just made me reconsider my GPU purchase too lol. After doing some research I think I'll be dropping an extra $100 for the 290 PCS+ instead of the 280x. The overall build will still be under $2000 though...hopefully.

It's a bit of a beast, it runs under 70C under full load. Very nice cooler.

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#35 Posted by AutoPilotOn (8655 posts) -

I'd like to add on my hardware advice question to this. I haven't really paid attention to PC hardware in 2 years so I am out of loop. My current specs are

2500k

Asus Maximus mobo

8gb ram 4gb 2x

120gb Samsung ssd

1 tb 7200rpm hard drive (forget brand)

1000 watt seasonic psu

Kolher CPU cooler

5850 ati (yea it's like 4 years old at least)

That's really all I can remember my desktop has been sitting in closet for months now. I'd like to break it back out and get it up to game again. Is my 2500k still relivent? I mean I had it for like 3 years now. Should I just get gpu or go for all out upgrade?

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#36 Posted by thehig1 (6212 posts) -

@AutoPilotOn: that CPU is still fine, and you can overclock some too. Just a new GPU depending on what you want to spend. The recommendation from this thread is the r9 290

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#37 Posted by Tabris91 (7779 posts) -
@AutoPilotOn said:

I'd like to add on my hardware advice question to this. I haven't really paid attention to PC hardware in 2 years so I am out of loop. My current specs are

2500k

Asus Maximus mobo

8gb ram 4gb 2x

120gb Samsung ssd

1 tb 7200rpm hard drive (forget brand)

1000 watt seasonic psu

Kolher CPU cooler

5850 ati (yea it's like 4 years old at least)

That's really all I can remember my desktop has been sitting in closet for months now. I'd like to break it back out and get it up to game again. Is my 2500k still relivent? I mean I had it for like 3 years now. Should I just get gpu or go for all out upgrade?

The 2500k is still a nice CPU, plus they're really easy to OC. Just upgrade your GPU and you'll be set.

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#38 Edited by Bikouchu35 (8201 posts) -

@AutoPilotOn said:

I'd like to add on my hardware advice question to this. I haven't really paid attention to PC hardware in 2 years so I am out of loop. My current specs are

2500k

Asus Maximus mobo

8gb ram 4gb 2x

120gb Samsung ssd

1 tb 7200rpm hard drive (forget brand)

1000 watt seasonic psu

Kolher CPU cooler

5850 ati (yea it's like 4 years old at least)

That's really all I can remember my desktop has been sitting in closet for months now. I'd like to break it back out and get it up to game again. Is my 2500k still relivent? I mean I had it for like 3 years now. Should I just get gpu or go for all out upgrade?

I still have 2500k for 2 yrs now. Upgraded to 290 gpu and is running like a champ again. Intel hasn't progressed much or games just aren't taking advantage of the new cpus either way is still good.

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#39 Posted by AutoPilotOn (8655 posts) -

What about a 280x? I can get a used one for about 200. Is the 290 worth the extra? I think I saw some 290s for around 320 used.

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#40 Posted by thehig1 (6212 posts) -

@AutoPilotOn: the 280x is basically a factory overclocked 7970, should run 90% of games on max/ultra.

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#41 Edited by AutoPilotOn (8655 posts) -

Oh I see. and the 290 is a newer and worth the extra? I don't mind the extra 100 or so if it will give me a longer life of good settings.

Also is there a brand u recommend? I have used several xfx cards in past with no problems for years. But it has also been years since I bought new card.

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#42 Edited by ShadowDeathX (11621 posts) -

Don't get the 7990. No, just no. I have a 7990.

Get a non-ref 290 or 290X. 7990? No!

But why not? Because it sucks unless it's water cooled. If you are looking at a reference 7990, don't even consider it. The primary GPU will be at 90+ C under load.

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#43 Posted by deactivated-58f830d098e0e (90 posts) -

I got a diamond r9 270x, its 500 points away from the r9 280x in G3D benchmark :) I think

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#44 Posted by AutoPilotOn (8655 posts) -

I think I may get a sapphire tri-x 290. They seem to have decent cooling and aren't to much more expensive.

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#45 Edited by Evo_nine (2219 posts) -

non ref r9 290 is the best value for money atm.

That's what I have and its awesome.

later on when they get cheaper you can crossfire them.

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#46 Posted by AutoPilotOn (8655 posts) -

Well I lost bids on used 290s it's probably good as they were all probably abused with mining 24/7. I bought a brand new 770 pny 4gb for 309 on amazon. I know the 290 is a better card but I was thinking of getting a shield sometime and I like nvidias driver experience a lot better anyways.