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#1 Krall
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Welcome to Aetrii & 9mmSpliff's GPU Buying Guide and Future Cards!

They have put a lot of hard work into these guides so be sure to thank them when you get a chance :)

Just a note this thread is a place to ask about anything video card related and anything being posted outside of this will get the old lock down treatment ;)

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Summer / Fall '06 GPU Buying Guide

Below is a comprehensive GPU buying guide/list with current GPU models, a brief description, and tentative pricing for each card. The guide will be updated frequently as prices flunctuate, new GPUs become announced, and others get discontinued. If you have any questions, concerns, comments, or suggestions regarding the list, you may send me a PM.

~PCI-E~

Lowend (-$99)

Geforce 7300GT ($84) -
The Geforce 7300GT, unlike the rest of the 7300 series, is based off of the 7600 architecture, only with less pipelines. It comes with performance beating out a Geforce 6600GT, and offers a superb price/performance ratio. If you're looking for a cheap upgrade, the Geforce 7300GT is for you.
3dMark06: 730
Price / Performance Ratio Rating:4.5/ 5
Buy Here ~ Buy Here ~ Buy Here
Review ~ Review

Budget / Value ($99 - $149)

Radeon x1600Pro ($114) -
The x1600Pro is a cutdown version of the Radeon x1600XT and performs below the level of a Geforce 6600GT. Like it's bigger brother, the x1600XT, it lacks in performance to competing GPUs in the segment, and is not heavely recomended.
3dMark06: 802
Price / Performance Ratio Rating:3.5/ 5
Buy Here ~ Buy Here ~ Buy Here
Review ~ Review

Geforce 7600GS ($124) -
On a different note, the Geforce 7600GS offers performance closer to a Geforce 6800XT. It is a cut down version of the Geforce 7600GT with lower clock speeds, but still maintains a good price / performance ratio for this segment. It is also a good overclocker.
3dMark06: 1118
Price / Performance Ratio Rating:4/ 5
Buy Here ~ Buy Here ~ Buy Here
Review ~ Review ~ Review

Radeon x1600XT ($147) -
The x1600XT features 12 pixel pipelines, though is constrained by only 4 TMUs and ROPs, thus hindering performance in most situations. It's not a great performer, given it's price point, and there are more attractive altneratives for this price range.
3dMark06: 1109
Price / Performance Ratio Rating: 3/ 5
Buy Here ~ Buy Here ~ Buy Here
Review

Mid-Range ($149 - $249)

Radeon x1800GTO ($207) -
The x1800GTO has a 100% chance with only Connect3D models to flash into an x1800XL. Though for around the same price, you could actually just buy an x1800XL. Otherwise, the x1800GTO is a decent mid-range performer, although it is a bit pricey at this time.
3dMark06: 1488
Price / Performance Ratio Rating:3.5/ 5
Buy Here ~ Buy Here ~ Buy Here
Review ~ Review ~ Review

Geforce 7600GT ($165)-
The Geforce 7600GT is the new "best bang for the buck" card currently out there, performing on par with high-end cards from the previous series, the Geforce 6800GT / GS, and in some situatitions, even a bit faster. It has a great price / performance ratio.
3dMark06: 1583
Price / Performance Ratio Rating:5/ 5
Buy Here ~ Buy Here ~ Buy Here
Review ~ Review ~ Review ~ Review

Highend Midrange ($249 - $349)

Radeon x1900GT ($259) -
Ultimately, the Radeon x1900GT is positioned to take the place of the x1800XT, currently reaching it's EOL. However, unfourtunately, the x1900GT doesn't quite meet that standard, and there are more attractive altneratives for this price range.
3dMark06: 1954
Price / Performance Ratio Rating: 4/ 5
Buy Here ~ Buy Here ~ Buy Here
Review ~ Review ~ Review

Radeon x1800XT ($424) -
This GPU has had a strong run the last few months, but as of late, has been dwindling in supply, signifying its EOL. Currently, only one model is available at Newegg. We will see it continue being phased out in the coming weeks.
3dMark06: 2107
Price / Performance Ratio Rating: 2/ 5
Buy Here ~ Buy Here ~ Buy Here
Review ~ Review ~ Review

Geforce 7900GT ($271)-
The Geforce 7900GT is another great high-end card without that painfully high-end price. Overall, it's a great performer at an attractive price, and has great overclocking potential, too. Performance wise, it is clocked 30MHz faster than the Geforce 7800GTX, thus making it slightly faster.
3dMark06: 2226
Price / Performance Ratio Rating:4.5/ 5
Buy Here ~ Buy Here ~ Buy Here
Review ~ Review ~ Review ~ Review

Highend ($349 +)

Radeon x1900XT ($370)-
The Radeon x1900XT has a great price / performance ratio. The main difference between it and the x1900XTX is a 25MHz clock speed, and thus for much cheaper, the x1900XT is the more attractive solution out of the two.
3dMark06: 2468
Price / Performance Ratio Rating:5/ 5
Buy Here ~ Buy Here ~ Buy Here
Review ~ Review ~ Review ~ Review

Radeon x1900XTX (NA)-
The x1900XTX is ATI's fastest GPU offering, coming in relatively similiar to that of the competition, performance wise. Advantages of this card include special HDR + AA capabilities and slightly higher AF, though it does tend to run hot, and in some cases, noisy.
3dMark06: 2584
Price / Performance Ratio Rating:4/ 5
Buy Here ~ Buy Here ~ Buy Here
Review ~ Review ~ Review ~ Review

Geforce 7900GTX ($452) -
The Geforce 7900GTX is nVidia's fastest GPU offering in their Geforce 7 series, and again, comes in on par with the competition, performance wise. Advantages include running cooler and quieter, and slightly higher Texturing power.
3dMark06: 3006
Price / Performance Ratio Rating:4/ 5
Buy Here ~ Buy Here ~ Buy Here
Review ~ Review ~ Review

Ultra - Highend ($549+)

Geforce 7950GX2 ($549) -
For enthusiasts looking for the ultimate GPU, the Geforce 7950GX2, recently launched, is for you. Offering performance nearly 10% faster than two dual Geforce 7900GTs in SLI, the Geforce 7950GX2 is currently the fastest GPU on the market, and while expensive, seems to have a pretty good price given it's performance (price/performance ratio).
3dMark06: 4004
Price / Performance Ratio Rating:4/ 5
Buy Here ~ Buy Here ~ Buy Here
Review ~ Review ~ Review ~ Review

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* (Prices for each card are listed below as an average from retail versions at Newegg. Rebates, special deals, or any other discounts are not factored in, but instead, the base price for each card. Prices are also not factored in for cards out of stock. Prices for each card will be updated periodically.)

* (3dMark06 Scores are based on Tom's VGA Charts, and based on the lowest settings benched - 1028x768, 32-bit, no AA, Trilinear Filtering - to give a representation of pure performance speed. Note that 3Dmark scores generally do not always correlate with those in real world games, and should not solely be taken as performance indicators.)

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Concluding F.A.Q.

Q: Will there be any price drops on these cards anytime soon?
A: Yes. We will see the Radeon series slightly come down in price to make room for the Radeon x1950XTX. We also might see Geforce 7 series cards drop slightly in the coming weeks as a result from the competition. Prices will drop as new GPUs are announced.

Q: Will there be any GPUs announced in the near future. Will there be any GPUs dicontinued in the near future? If so, what are they?
GPUs reaching end of line: Radeon x1800 series, Geforce 7900GT (as of Sept.)
GPUs upcoming: Radeon x1650 series, Radeon x1950Pro, Radeon x1950XTX, Geforce 7900GS, Geforce 7950GT. More information on these GPUs can be found below.

Q: What's the difference between different GPU manufacturers? Which manufacturer should I buy from?
A: Most cards will be the exact same regardless of who the manufacturer is, however, some may offer cards with a factory OC. This slight difference in clock speed will usually only be what sets different manufacturer's cards apart. Thus, the biggest factor for choosing which manufacturer to buy from is their customer service, provided warranty, and thier overall reputation.
- For nVidia, reputable manufacturers include eVGA, XFX, BFG, MSI, Gainward, Gigabyte, ASUS, and Leadtek.
- For ATI, reputable manufacturers include ATI, HIS, ASUS, Sapphire, Gigabyte, Powercolor, and Connect3D.

Q: How much Ram should my card have?
A: First things first - never buy a low end card with 512MB of VRam (such as the Geforce 6600GT, x1300Pro, etc.) 512MB of VRam is only needed in highend cards, because anything lower will not have the power to utilize what the extra VRam would be needed for. Thus, for most cards, 256MB of VRam will be perfect, and even 128MB of VRam for low-end cards. 512MB of VRam should only be desired from highend cards.

Q: How do I tell how fast a GPU is?
A: Back in the early days of GPU history, one could decipher performance by merely knowing two factors - number of pipelines the particular card had and how fast its clock speed was. Today, however, this standard can no longer be accurate. Pipelines consist of many different units, and are begining to become completely different between nVidia and ATI. With this change, one must understand the full architecture to be able to comrehend performance. Thus, the most accurate way for average enthusiasts and gamers is to simply go by benchmark results. Otherwise, it should be known that the number of pipelines can no longer be used as a performance measurement.

Q: What's the difference between a pixel pipeline and a pixel shader processor?
A: The pixel shader processor is is just one makeup of the pixel pipeline. The pixel pipeline also contains elements such as the TMUs, responsible for texturing, and the ROPs for outputting the pixels to the display. For nVidia, each pipeline contains one pixel shader processor, whereas for certain Radeon GPUs, such as the Radeon x1900XTX, each of the 16 pixel pipelines contain three pixel shader processers each. 

Q: I have an integrated graphics chip? How will this be for gaming?
A: First, let me offer you my sympathy, as an integrated graphics chip will not be able to handle any current game out there, and will even have trouble with older games. If gaming is a purpose for you PC, replace that IGC as soon as possible.

Q: I'm hesitant at buying a new GPU. How can I be a smart consumer?
A: You need to first decide how much power you'll want / need from a GPU. If you're a casual gamer, occasionally popping in WoW or the SIMs every now and then, then you probably shouldn't invest a whole lot into a GPU. On the other hand, if you're a hardcore gaming enthusiast, you'll probably want to invest a little more. A huge factor, as well, is the kind of games you want to play. Graphically intense games will obviously require more GPU power. But it also depends on how much eye candy you want to apply to your games while still maintaining tolerable performance. After answering these questions and concluding what kind of canditate you are, and what kind of GPU you'll want to buy, it comes time to do some research. Set a reasonable budget, and explore every single option within that budget, which can be aided by the GPU Buying Guide found above. Don't be Co. exclusive, either.

Q: What's the minimum GPU recomended for most of today's games?
A: Most games today list either the Geforce 6600 or Radeon x800 as a minimum requirement. However, following minimum requirements, usually delivers performance not acceptable by most gamers, unless of course you're willing to significantly sacrifice resolution and image quality. Therefore, for today's games, the lowest GPU I would recomend for acceptable performance at around with decent settings is the Geforce 7600GS / Radeon x1600XT. Both of these GPUs can be had for under $150.

Q: Are the ultra-high end GPUs really necisary for today's games, or are they more for just bragging rights?
A: It largely depends on the resolution you plan to game on, and the amount of eye-candy you want to turn on. It also depends on how demading the games are you want to run, and those coming out in the near future. So, the ultra-highend GPUs are viable for enthusiasts who desire higher quality and great performance at the same time, while the lesser powerful GPUs are for those who will be gaming at a more typical resolution, still want good settings, and obviously good performance, as well.

Q: Who's better? ATi/Radeon or nVidia/Geforce?
A: Neither. Each GPU, regardless of if from ATI or nVidia, have their strengths and weaknesses (some more prevalent than others) compared to other GPUs in their segments, which you can view above.

Q: What's SLI and Crossfire?
A: SLI (nVidia) and Crossfire (ATI) are multi-GPU solutions where users connect 2 video cards to recieve increased performance when gaming. How much performance increases from two cards over one depends on the resolution the user will be gaming on. SLI and Crossfire is mostly recomended for users gaming on 1600x1200 or higher. These resolutions are where users will notice significant performance gains. Any resolution lower than 1600x1200 will inhibit minimal performance gains.

SLI, or Scalable Link Interface, has been in the market longer than Crossfire and thus has had more time to mature. Most users also say that it is a much more conveniant than Crossfire and provides users with more flexibility. With SLI, you need two of the same video cards, and manufacturer, clock speed, and BIOS do not have to be the same. With Crossfire, you must have one GPU, and then a master card for that series GPU. More on SLI vs. Crossfire coming soon.

Q: How long will my new GPU last me?
A: For people who want to continually stay up with the times, they'll usually have to upgrade every 1.5 - 2 years. The GPU industry moves very rapidly, correlated by the advancement of the games they are meant to run.

Q: I want to upgrade my GPU when DX10 comes along. What should I get to hold me over?
A: You are one of many who ask this question. My response would be to do a modest upgrade, spending no more than $200. You certainly don't want to go all out and buy a $500 high-end card to have yourself drooling at the intro of the new DX10 GPUs that will take place in the next several months. A mid-range card will last you well into DX10, even beyond, and thus for someone who will be upgrading as soon as DX10 cards hit the market, spend less now so you can spend more later.

Q:When exactly are DX10 GPUs coming out?
A: G80 is nVidia's codename for their next series DX10 generation cards. G80 will be introduced at the end of the year, but will primarily be a card for next year's revenue, according to CEO Jen. R600 is ATI's codename for their next series DX10 generation cards. Earlier roadmaps had R600 appearing in the market around December, but that date has likely been pushed back into Q1 2007. In other words, expect Q1 2007 to be when the DX10 GPU's from both ATI and nVidia square off. For more information on DX10 GPUs, please refer here.

Q:How much will DX10 GPUs cost?
A:Currently, there is no reason to suspect that next generation DX10 GPUs from both ATI and nVidia will be priced higher than usual. Thus expect highend cards around $300-$500, midrange cards around $150-$300, lowend budget cards below $150, and the ultra highend cards to be somewhere upwards of $500.

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5/16 - Preliminary list added.
5/24 - Prices for each card added, as well as brief concluding F.A.Q.
5/25 - Budget/Value segment added. Additional F.A.Q. added to concluding F.A.Q.
5/28 - Added to concluding F.A.Q.
6/07 - additional GPU's to be added in the Low End segment, information on upcoming GPUs, AGP list, introduction to the list, and anything else that takes place this week on the GPU front.
8/14- Pricing update and added to concluding F.A.Q.
8/15 - Buy, Review, and Price/Performance ratio rating features added to each GPU. Other minor changes / updates made to list, as well.
8/17- Additional Q&A added to F.A.Q.
8/24- Pricing update and minor modification to high-midrange segment's price/performance ratio ratings.
9/01- 3dMark06 scores added to each GPU
9/02- Pricing update and a few fixed typos.

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~Aetrii

 

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Reserved for GPU graphs / charts

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Upcoming DirectX 9 Cards from ATI

x1300xt
- 80nm
- 256mb & 512mb
- 400core/800 Memory
- Cableless Crossfire
- Single Slotted Cooling

 
Estimated Price: $80usd-$100usd
Estimated Release Date: OUT NOW!!!!!


x1650pro

- 80nm
- 8 Pixel Shader Pipes
- 24 Pixel Shader Processors
- 500core/1.2Ghz Memory
- Cableless Crossfire
- Single Slotted Cooling

Estimated Price: $100usd-$120usd
Estimated Release Date: End of September


x1650xt

- 80nm
- 8 Pixel Shader Pipes
- 24 Pixel Shader Processors
- 600core/1.4ghz Memory
- Cableless Crossfire
- Single Slotted Cooling

Estimated Price : $150usd-$200usd
Estimated Release Date: End of September


x1950pro

- 90nm
- 12 Pixel Pipelines
- 36 Pixel Shader Processors
- 600core/1.4Ghz DDR3
- Single Slotted Cooling
Estimated Price: $200usd-$250usd
Esimated Release Date: Mid October


 x1950xtx
- 90nm
- 512mb
- 16 Pixel Pipelines
- 48 Pixel Shader Processors
- 650core/2Ghz Memory DDR4
- SM3.0
- Dual Slotted Cooling
- Requires Mastercard for Crossfire
Estimated Price: $450usd-$500usd
Estimated Release Date: OUT NOW!!!!!






 
 
  
Upcoming Dx9 Card from nVidia 

7900gs
- 90nm
- 20 Pixel Pipelines
- 256mb & 512mb
- 450core/660 Memory
- Single Slotted Cooling
- HDCP (Optional)

Estimated Price: $190usd-240usd
Estimated Release Date: OUT NOW!!!!!


7950gt
-
90nm
- 24 Pixel Pipelines
- 550core/700Memory
- Single Core
- 512mb
- Single Slotted Cooling
- HDCP (Standard)

Estimated Price: $300usd-$330usd
Estimated Release Date: OUT NOW!!!!!

 

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Now for the DirectX 10 cards from ATI, nVidia and S3

Remember that these are speculation Dx10 specifications. But this what we know.


S3 Dx10
- SM4.0
- HDMI port

Estimated Price: $???
Estimated Release Date: ???


Not much has been released except for what is listed, but here is a link to what the card looks like. It will have some passive cooling and will go up against ATI and nVIdia in the medium range GPU's.

Links To Pictures:
http://www.hexus.net/content/item.php?item=6155


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ATI R600
- 1gb and 2gb models
- 80nm
- 64 Unified Pixel Pipelines (Any vertex/pixel or geometry shader combo with work)
- SM4.0
- DDR4 Memory and DDR3 Memory
- HDMI
- Cableless Crossfire
- New Dual Slotted Heatsink
- Estimated clocks 700-800core/2.1Ghz Memory
- 250watts of power
Estimated Price: $??? (My guess $500usd-$600usd)
Estimated Release Date: End of 2006 to start of first quarter 2007


This card is gonna be a machine and with the unified Pipes and can use any combo of shaders, such as 40geometry/12vertex/12pixel for example. This card has been taped out to companies for testing. ATI believes in Shading power and you can see they believe it even more now. There are rumors that this GPU could take up to 250wt of power. Just to give you an idea of how much that is, a GeForce 7950gx2 takes aroudn 140-150wt.

R600 Rumor Links:
http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=34510
http://theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35708
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nVidia G80 (ORIGINAL RUMORS AND SPECULATIONS)
- 90nm
- 32/48 Pixel Pipelines (possibly unified)
- DDR4 Memory
- SM4.0
- 700 Million Transistors
- Estimated Clocks: 700core/2.0Ghz Memory
- 8800gtx Model ($650usd rumor)
- 8800gt Model ($400usd rumor)

Estimated Release Date: October to End of 06
 

Newer Information

8800gtx

- 128 Unified Shaders @ 1350Mhz
- 575Mhz core
- 768MB DDR3 @ 900Mhz
- 16xAA + 128bit HDR

Estimated Release: OUT NOW

8800gts
- 96 Unified Shaders @ 1200Mhz
- 500Mhz core
- 640MB DDR3 @ 900Mhz
- 16xAA + 128bit HD
Estimated Release: OUT NOW

 
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I think the only thing you guys are really missing is a small round up type list of PCI & AGP cards for those who haven't made the PCI-E leap yet...

Awesome job guys!
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#8 perl2000
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I think the only thing you guys are really missing is a small round up type list of PCI & AGP cards for those who haven't made the PCI-E leap yet...

Krall

Yup, i agree with that. Remember that there are a lot of gamers that still have AGP GPU´s, so it will be a great idea to include some videocards for them, also put the diference and similarities between midrange AGP cards and midrange PCI-E cards...

Keep up the good work!!!

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Nice, thanks. 
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i love you all, you guys are awsome thanks for this guide, now maybe there wont be as many "WHICH GPU SHOULD I GET" threads lol. thanks for the guide and keep up the good work!!!
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Great job on the guide! User-friendly, up-to-date (future cards) and very thorough. I especially like the F.A.Q section.

Keep up the good work!!

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tsk tsk a little mispelling error ruined your entire guide aetri J/K

Q: I have an integrated graphics chip? How will this be for gaming?
A: First, let me offer you my sympathy, as an integrated graphics chip will not be able to handle any current game out there, and will even have trouble with older games. If gaming if a purpose of you PC, get replace that IGC as soon as possible.

lol you can edit that out great guide your guys and i really hope to see your agp section even though i just ordered my agp card BFG 6800gs. good work

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Hooray, no more "Should I get (Card X) or (Card Y)?" Good work.
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This is a great thread...... Good job fellows ! ...............8)
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BUT THE QUESTION IS SHOULD I WAIT FOR A DX10 CARD..................this thread kills them question and a load of other questions great job = D
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Cheers guys, great guide, knew you were working on one and I am pleased it's now here.
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Since Sapphire has a version of the Radeon X1800XT for $199.99 (on Newegg), and ATI has a version for around $230, shouldn't the X1800XT fall into the mid-range (and take the lead) at this point?
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Since Sapphire has a version of the Radeon X1800XT for $199.99 (on Newegg), and ATI has a version for around $230, shouldn't the X1800XT fall into the mid-range (and take the lead) at this point?RayvinAzn

GPUs are set in segments by their *overall* average street price cost. Obviously, special OEM or discounted cards can be found for lower on both Radeon x1800XT and Geforce 7900GT GPUs, but it would be nearly impossible and un-necisary to note every GPU's price by each manuf. Instead, readers can simply click on the first "Buy Here" link that will take them directly to the GPUs Newegg page, respectively, where they can then find special deals and discounts there.

But I will constantly be reviewing price reductions and shifts, as many are to come, and making appropriate changes to the list. And on that same note, I will be including the newly introduced Radeon x1950XTX, Radeon x1900XT 256MB, Radeon x1300XT, and Radeon x1650Pro when they become available.

Also, a short and sweet AGP list will be added to the "Concluding FAQ" page, but AGP options are rather limited, thus aside from that short AGP list, there will be a brief paragraph strictly for AGP users explaining why their options are limited and what other alternatives they have. That also means no PCI list, because quite frankly, there really isn't any PCI card worth upgrading to that would meet the standards (even in the least) of today's games.

*watches as the angry AGP mob charges towards with pitchforks and knives...

:P

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[QUOTE="RayvinAzn"]Since Sapphire has a version of the Radeon X1800XT for $199.99 (on Newegg), and ATI has a version for around $230, shouldn't the X1800XT fall into the mid-range (and take the lead) at this point?Aetrii

GPUs are set in segments by their *overall* average street price cost. Obviously, special OEM or discounted cards can be found for lower on both Radeon x1800XT and Geforce 7900GT GPUs, but it would be nearly impossible and un-necisary to note every GPU's price by each manuf. Instead, readers can simply click on the first "Buy Here" link that will take them directly to the GPUs Newegg page, respectively, where they can then find special deals and discounts there.

But I will constantly be reviewing price reductions and shifts, as many are to come, and making appropriate changes to the list. And on that same note, I will be including the newly introduced Radeon x1950XTX, Radeon x1900XT 256MB, Radeon x1300XT, and Radeon x1650Pro when they become available.

Also, a short and sweet AGP list will be added to the "Concluding FAQ" page, but AGP options are rather limited, thus aside from that short AGP list, there will be a brief paragraph strictly for AGP users explaining why their options are limited and what other alternatives they have. That also means no PCI list, because quite frankly, there really isn't any PCI card worth upgrading to that would meet the standards (even in the least) of today's games.

*watches as the angry AGP mob charges towards with pitchforks and knives...

:P

~Aetrii

Ah, good man, didn't mean to seem like I was second-guessing you - just a thought that made more sense before you refuted it. I neglected to mention it's a very good guide, and I look forward to seeing some additional work done to it.
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#20 GamingMonkeyPC
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Did you guys noticed that the X1900 All-in-Wonder is between the [mid-range] and [high-end / mid-range] prices? :wink: Might want to put that in there...
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#21 Gamesterpheonix
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Can you add info about the older cards. Like the X series and 6 series.
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#22 meggido
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Could you correct the X1900GT price? It can be obtained for much less then $300
Edit: Here's a good example: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102022

Could you also include GPU coolers?
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#23 Aetrii
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Did you guys noticed that the X1900 All-in-Wonder is between the [mid-range] and [high-end / mid-range] prices? Might want to put that in there...GamingMonkeyPC

I was opting to stay away from special cards (mainly the AIW) and aside from that, x1900XT 256MB will be finding it's home in that segment very shortly.

Can you add info about the older cards. Like the X series and 6 series.Gamesterpheonix

This is a buying guide, and as of now, there are very few cases where purchasing an older Geforce 6 or Radeon x series card would be better / more economical than the newer Geforce 7 and Radeon x1k series. For the AGP list, it will be inevitable to include the older gen. cards, but for PCI-E, it's not needed, nor recomended. If it were, I would include them.

Could you correct the X1900GT price? It can be obtained for much less then $300
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The list (every GPU)'s price has just been updated. :)

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#24 GamingMonkeyPC
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I was opting to stay away from special cards (mainly the AIW) and aside from that, x1900XT 256MB will be finding it's home in that segment very shortly.Aetrii

Why stay away from the All-in-Wonder? You do realize the price / performance ratio is really good in comparison to the list of cards you have... as of now with that card. It performs just as well as a X1900 GT. It's not far behind from a 7900 GT. Not only that it offers a a whole bunch of other accessories and softwares for the multimedia enthusiasts including Adobe Elements (Photoshop + Premiere package), the ATI Remote Wonder, and access to ATI multimedia center software - those alone already costs up more than half of the cards price.
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#25 4321000
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any more new good AGP cards?
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#26 Nick_996
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hey, good overview.

But heres another X1600Xt review you might want to add, seeing at you only have 1 at the moment.

http://www.bytesector.com/data/bs-article.asp?ID=609&page=1

edit: and here's another : http://www.avault.com/hardware/getreview.asp?review=sapx1600xt

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Thanks for the hard work guys!
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I have a $300 dollar credit at gamestop, i know they sell expensive but what card can i get (agp) from them at this price. I really dont know much about them, but id like one i can play modern games.
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^^^probably find a 7800gs for near that price.
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#30 jcptopi
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I am looking to replace my Sapphire Radeon X1600PRO.
I am willing to spend no more than $250 on a card, and I would prefer an ATI card.The two things I am gravitating towards are:
Sapphire Radeon X1900 GT
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102022
ATI All In Wonder X1900
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102685
Which is the better deal? The AIW costs about $15 more, but is it worth it? Also, which gets better performance (I can't find the AIW's clock speeds)? Finally, how big a step up is either card from my old card? I would appreciate any help that is given.

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#31 RayvinAzn
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I am looking to replace my Sapphire Radeon X1600PRO.
I am willing to spend no more than $250 on a card, and I would prefer an ATI card.The two things I am gravitating towards are:
Sapphire Radeon X1900 GT
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102022
ATI All In Wonder X1900
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102685
Which is the better deal? The AIW costs about $15 more, but is it worth it? Also, which gets better performance (I can't find the AIW's clock speeds)? Finally, how big a step up is either card from my old card? I would appreciate any help that is given.

jcptopi
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814161018 is probably the best ATI card you can buy for $250 or less. The cooling solution on that one alleviates the rather loud and hot operations of cards from other companies, and the card itself is decent enough.

Really, I'd reccomend you just tough it out for another 6 months or so, until DirectX 10 card prices drop. The X1600 series is decent enough to last until then, and while you might not be running full eye candy, you're still not exactly hurting either.
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#32 jcptopi
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That's true about the DX10 cards.  I might just do that.  Also, than's for the card suggestion, but I only have room for a single-slot card, and from what I can tell, that looks like it'll take up two slots.  Still, I have to agree that that's the best
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#33 meggido
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I am looking to replace my Sapphire Radeon X1600PRO.
I am willing to spend no more than $250 on a card, and I would prefer an ATI card.The two things I am gravitating towards are:
Sapphire Radeon X1900 GT
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102022
ATI All In Wonder X1900
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16814102685
Which is the better deal? The AIW costs about $15 more, but is it worth it? Also, which gets better performance (I can't find the AIW's clock speeds)? Finally, how big a step up is either card from my old card? I would appreciate any help that is given.

jcptopi


If you look around, you can probably find a X1900XT for that price. I know there was one for sale for $241 a couple of days ago.
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That's true about the DX10 cards. I might just do that. Also, than's for the card suggestion, but I only have room for a single-slot card, and from what I can tell, that looks like it'll take up two slots. Still, I have to agree that that's the best jcptopi


Ah, if you don't have room for a dual-slot cooler (which that X1900GT is), then it's out of the question.

Price-wise, I'd say stay away from ATI cards until DX10 comes out in that case. Most of their models that offer a signifigant increase in performance over the X1600PRO are dual-slot cards.

If you're willing to up that budget $20 or so, you can get a 7900GT - it will offer a decent boost in performance, most NVIDIA cards are single-slot.

But like I said before, you're probably better off just waiting.
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[QUOTE="jcptopi"]That's true about the DX10 cards. I might just do that. Also, than's for the card suggestion, but I only have room for a single-slot card, and from what I can tell, that looks like it'll take up two slots. Still, I have to agree that that's the best RayvinAzn


Ah, if you don't have room for a dual-slot cooler (which that X1900GT is), then it's out of the question.

Price-wise, I'd say stay away from ATI cards until DX10 comes out in that case. Most of their models that offer a signifigant increase in performance over the X1600PRO are dual-slot cards.

If you're willing to up that budget $20 or so, you can get a 7900GT - it will offer a decent boost in performance, most NVIDIA cards are single-slot.

But like I said before, you're probably better off just waiting.



I think the X1900GT does have a single slot cooler, which is why it runs so hot. :P But yeah, a 7900GT will definately be more powerful.
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[QUOTE="RayvinAzn"][QUOTE="jcptopi"]That's true about the DX10 cards. I might just do that. Also, than's for the card suggestion, but I only have room for a single-slot card, and from what I can tell, that looks like it'll take up two slots. Still, I have to agree that that's the best meggido


Ah, if you don't have room for a dual-slot cooler (which that X1900GT is), then it's out of the question.

Price-wise, I'd say stay away from ATI cards until DX10 comes out in that case. Most of their models that offer a signifigant increase in performance over the X1600PRO are dual-slot cards.

If you're willing to up that budget $20 or so, you can get a 7900GT - it will offer a decent boost in performance, most NVIDIA cards are single-slot.

But like I said before, you're probably better off just waiting.



I think the X1900GT does have a single slot cooler, which is why it runs so hot. :P But yeah, a 7900GT will definately be more powerful.


Ive just ordered a X1900 GT it works in 1 PCI - e slot right ??????? well ive got a crossfire board so theres always a spare one. Im getting the X1900 GT till DX10 comes out cause i saw it for a really cheap price !
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#37 RayvinAzn
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Ive just ordered a X1900 GT it works in 1 PCI - e slot right ??????? well ive got a crossfire board so theres always a spare one. Im getting the X1900 GT till DX10 comes out cause i saw it for a really cheap price !
bindip

Oh, it's not the PCI-e slot that's the problem, it's the fact that most of the higher-end X1800 and X1900 cards require not only the regular video I/O port, but one underneath for the cooler as well.
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I`m new to PC gaming so will there be any price drops on DX9 when DX10 comes out? And if so, how much do you think....30 bucks maybe?
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#39 meggido
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I`m new to PC gaming so will there be any price drops on DX9 when DX10 comes out? And if so, how much do you think....30 bucks maybe?jfkunrendered


When DX10 comes out all DX9 graphics card will be obselete. There will probably be a price drop but there won't be any point in getting a DX9 card.
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#40 jfkunrendered
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[QUOTE="jfkunrendered"]I`m new to PC gaming so will there be any price drops on DX9 when DX10 comes out? And if so, how much do you think....30 bucks maybe?meggido


When DX10 comes out all DX9 graphics card will be obselete. There will probably be a price drop but there won't be any point in getting a DX9 card.



I was just going to get a DX10 card for christmas next year...and I dont want to spend 500 dollars on a DX10 card....right now anyway.
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[QUOTE="jfkunrendered"]I`m new to PC gaming so will there be any price drops on DX9 when DX10 comes out? And if so, how much do you think....30 bucks maybe?meggido


When DX10 comes out all DX9 graphics card will be obselete. There will probably be a price drop but there won't be any point in getting a DX9 card.



I think we'll see the normal price drops followed by the slow phase out. DX10 may be new, but you need games and an OS to support it..
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[QUOTE="meggido"][QUOTE="jfkunrendered"]I`m new to PC gaming so will there be any price drops on DX9 when DX10 comes out? And if so, how much do you think....30 bucks maybe?jfkunrendered


When DX10 comes out all DX9 graphics card will be obselete. There will probably be a price drop but there won't be any point in getting a DX9 card.



I was just going to get a DX10 card for christmas next year...and I dont want to spend 500 dollars on a DX10 card....right now anyway.

thats what i am diong. im not doing Vista and Dx10 Crossfire/SLI till next year. I think my soon to be crossfire x1800xt p.e. will get me by.
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[QUOTE="jfkunrendered"][QUOTE="meggido"][QUOTE="jfkunrendered"]I`m new to PC gaming so will there be any price drops on DX9 when DX10 comes out? And if so, how much do you think....30 bucks maybe?9mmSpliff


When DX10 comes out all DX9 graphics card will be obselete. There will probably be a price drop but there won't be any point in getting a DX9 card.



I was just going to get a DX10 card for christmas next year...and I dont want to spend 500 dollars on a DX10 card....right now anyway.

thats what i am diong. im not doing Vista and Dx10 Crossfire/SLI till next year. I think my soon to be crossfire x1800xt p.e. will get me by.




Most definently, i`m just getting a card that will play Battlefield 2142 and Enemy Territory:Quake Wars at medium...at least.
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#44 9mmSpliff
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[QUOTE="9mmSpliff"][QUOTE="jfkunrendered"][QUOTE="meggido"][QUOTE="jfkunrendered"]I`m new to PC gaming so will there be any price drops on DX9 when DX10 comes out? And if so, how much do you think....30 bucks maybe?jfkunrendered


When DX10 comes out all DX9 graphics card will be obselete. There will probably be a price drop but there won't be any point in getting a DX9 card.



I was just going to get a DX10 card for christmas next year...and I dont want to spend 500 dollars on a DX10 card....right now anyway.

thats what i am diong. im not doing Vista and Dx10 Crossfire/SLI till next year. I think my soon to be crossfire x1800xt p.e. will get me by.




Most definently, i`m just getting a card that will play Battlefield 2142 and Enemy Territory:Quake Wars at medium...at least.

yep and wait for dx10 for the real deal.
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#45 meggido
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:D My X1900XTX is currently at 680/856 and I'm not really worried about performance. btw 9mmspiff, I noticed we have(or is that what you're getting) the same motherboard.
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what are the dx10 cards going to cost?
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#47 jfkunrendered
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what are the dx10 cards going to cost?DarkChaoMan75


500
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#48 meggido
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[QUOTE="DarkChaoMan75"]what are the dx10 cards going to cost?jfkunrendered


500



DX10 cards will likely cost roughly the same. There will be low, mid, and high end cards.
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#49 jashua-jash
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tsk tsk a little mispelling error ruined your entire guide aetri J/K

Q: I have an integrated graphics chip? How will this be for gaming?
A: First, let me offer you my sympathy, as an integrated graphics chip will not be able to handle any current game out there, and will even have trouble with older games. If gaming if a purpose of you PC, get replace that IGC as soon as possible.

lol you can edit that out great guide your guys and i really hope to see your agp section even though i just ordered my agp card BFG 6800gs. good work

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well nobody acknowledged what i said and fixed it, so i'll have to take matters into my own hands!

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#50 saco1858
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Nice job with this thread. Unlike other threads simular to this, there is no bias or personal preference.