Gamespot know _nothing_ about roleplaying games.

Take Oblivion for example. 9.3 editors choice at Gamespot; If your an RPG fan then don't miss out on this overrated excuse for an offline mmorpg.

So where to begin? Bethesda replaced relationship development with a minigame. Not that I particularly want to interact with Tamriel's unmemorable NPC's because they are in fact void of personality. The fact that the personality skill only determins how good you are at the stupid minigame is testament to how poor of a roleplaying game Oblivion really is. Is Roleplaying even possible in Oblivion?

Now take Vampire the Masquerade. While it was released with bugs, there was at least a good roleplaying game to back it up. Trokia decided to add some interesting features, such as relationships established through dialogue and personality. Consiquences for the actions of your avatar. Memorable NPC's that nobody can forget. Some choice in regards to how you would like to define your character within the game world. These basic roleplaying components while not exactly radical, are somewhat important in a roleplaying game, don't you think?

Besides KotOR, Vampire the Masquerade is probably one of the best examples of a post-Black Isle era roleplaying game. Gamespot's opinion? 7.7. What the hell do Gamespot know about roleplaying games?

edit: I hope I don't receive a moderation for being critical of gamespot. This post is well within the TOS.

Well, pretty much every other critic from most other magazines and sites have given Vampire scores in the 7s and Oblivion scores in the 9's so I guess everyone is crazy!!!

That, or your picking on Gamespot and it's you that is crazy!

Maybe the problem is that games which aren't roleplaying games, are described as being roleplaying games. There is no RP in Oblivion. It is as much of an RPG as Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas.

There should be a new word to describe the genre's of Diablo, Elder Scrolls, and the rest of those rpg's void of roleplaying. 

Oblvion was also meant to appeal to non-rpg players.instantdeath999

and it did a good job, because Gamespot loved it!

Bloodlines have a horrible horrible battle system. That was my main problem with the game.

Haven't played Oblivion but heard it was non hardcore rpg fans. I found Morrowind boring...since I was just walking and walking, and the world felt empty. But I also am not a fan of FP View when it comes to rpgs. So I may or may not like Oblivion.

At the moment though, just started playing Baldur's Gate 2 for the first time...and am really enjoying it. I love the top down view and having multiple party members. Next up is Icewind Dale 2 since I like the battle system. 

Although i'm a pretty big fan of the Elder Scrolls series, i'd have to agree, after finishing all the game had to offer (and heavily modding it) I did find that it lacked rpg elements found in other games. (ex. Unique character personalities, intriguing story)
The game seemed a lot more geared towards action than roleplaying, which can be good or bad depending on how someone looks at it. I saw it as a great thing, as I enjoyed the combat, storyline and the games environment very much.

I do agree with Gamespots rating of Oblivion on the PC, but as far as Gamespot knowing "nothing" about Roleplaying games, I personally don't think that they rated the game specifically as a RPG.(Even if the Elder Scrolls games are traditionally put in the Role Playing Genre.) The way I would define the game is, a Action-oriented game with features mostly based off roleplaying elements. Such as Character Developement.

I'd have to agree to a certain extent, but I view things in a much more simple manner. Gamespot knows nothing about RPGS, and so does everyone else. I believe this because I have this idea that people hold a little to closley to their own opinons. Fact is, no one really cares what another person thinks unless they agree with one another.  I've been spreading this idea around as much as possible, recently. But don't be deceived this itself is just another opinon and really means nothing.

Enjoy what you enjoy, and just don't bother with the rest. Don't worry what someone else thinks. 

I'd have to agree to a certain extent, but I view things in a much more simple manner. Gamespot knows nothing about RPGS, and so does everyone else. I believe this because I have this idea that people hold a little to closley to their own opinons. Fact is, no one really cares what another person thinks unless they agree with one another.  I've been spreading this idea around as much as possible, recently. But don't be deceived this itself is just another opinon and really means nothing.

Enjoy what you enjoy, and just don't bother with the rest. Don't worry what someone else thinks. 

PlayedThemAll

BUGS - and that is why Oblivion will score better! Gothic3 looks like it can be a very good game same as Vampires game but unfortunately BUGS are far worst a killer than crappy NPC.

Seriously if you play Gothic 3 in the begginning you wait 85% of the time for the loader screen and the rest is divided between starting up the game and actually playing it.

Gamespot's opinion? 7.7. What the hell do Gamespot know about roleplaying games?

Lilac_Benjie

They know enough to downgrade a games score for being almost completely unplayable.

Don't get me wrong, i'm not the biggest Oblivion fan in the world, not in the least. But i do recognise that Gamespot take technical ability and other factors into play, factors that while not directly a part of the game, greatly effect it's enjoyability. Such as crash bugs and stability problems, something which VTM:Bloodlines had WAY too many of. It also lacked a lot of basic options at the time, such as even a resolution above 1024x768, which while was acceptable then, is unthinkable now.

Yes, VTM:Bloodlines is a fantastic game, and one of my favorites, it remains to this day, almost completely unplayable in some areas, a bug ridden.

That is the same reason S.T.A.L.K.E.R didn't score higher. Were either game bgu free, they would've been given much higher scores.

 Regardless, your looking at things from the wrong angle. 7.7 is not an opinion, it's a meaningless number, READ the review instead and you'll find that they had very positive things to say about the game.

Your question to us: What does Gamespot know about RPGs?

My question to you: What do YOU know about the way games are reviewed?

It does not matter what genre a game is but how much fun you have when playing, and buggy games destroys atmosphere- important if you want to role play.

Take Oblivion for example. 9.3 editors choice at Gamespot; If your an RPG fan then don't miss out on this overrated excuse for an offline mmorpg.

So where to begin? Bethesda replaced relationship development with a minigame. Not that I particularly want to interact with Tamriel's unmemorable NPC's because they are in fact void of personality. The fact that the personality skill only determins how good you are at the stupid minigame is testament to how poor of a roleplaying game Oblivion really is. Is Roleplaying even possible in Oblivion?

Now take Vampire the Masquerade. While it was released with bugs, there was at least a good roleplaying game to back it up. Trokia decided to add some interesting features, such as relationships established through dialogue and personality. Consiquences for the actions of your avatar. Memorable NPC's that nobody can forget. Some choice in regards to how you would like to define your character within the game world. These basic roleplaying components while not exactly radical, are somewhat important in a roleplaying game, don't you think?

Besides KotOR, Vampire the Masquerade is probably one of the best examples of a post-Black Isle era roleplaying game. Gamespot's opinion? 7.7. What the hell do Gamespot know about roleplaying games?

edit: I hope I don't receive a moderation for being critical of gamespot. This post is well within the TOS.

Lilac_Benjie

oblivion is - literally - the worst roleplaying game i've ever played... but it's one of the best experiences i've ever had

the character development, combat and magic system and item selection and styles are all utterly awful, about as bad as is possible - the quests are nothing more than go here do this with generic characters and generic voicesets (there was, what? 6 different voices per sex besides the spattering of major characters? and there was literally no roleplaying at all

but the game was astoundingly beautiful, it was amazing to just walk around and experience the world - just to see the sights, almost like taking a holiday to some beautiful and distant land, and while i hate it as a roleplaying game, i loved it as a game - and spent over 100 hours playing - i simply don't consider it a roleplaying game

but the problem is, roleplaying doesn't mean role playing when it comes to computer games, it means, your character gets more powerful, you do quests and you get items - that's all roleplaying is, when it comes to computer games - and oblivion falls within those criteria

bloodlines is - literally - the best roleplaying game i've ever played... and it is a true roleplaying game, i think it's the closest to a compute rgame representation of a p&p game i've ever played - everything deferred to the roleplaying, the character development was pretty shallow (but worked great) and the combat was simple click fest (but still fairly satisfying, and a billion times better than oblivion's)

but the game was astoundingly buggy and rushed, and while it runs sound as a pound with the 1.2 patch, i wouldn't think of playing it unpatched, while the game itself is still great - an unplayable game isn't a great experience... it's like reading a book with pages torn out, words constasntly spelled wrong and suspicious stains on some pages that you don't want to go near

i don't know if it was fair of gamespot to give oblivion so high a score, or bloodline so low a score - but in their own way, they both deserve praise - just for radically different reasons, because they are very different games, and completely different genres

but thanks to the way computer games are classified, they seem to fall under the same banner

too bad 

Take Oblivion for example. 9.3 editors choice at Gamespot; If your an RPG fan then don't miss out on this overrated excuse for an offline mmorpg.

So where to begin? Bethesda replaced relationship development with a minigame. Not that I particularly want to interact with Tamriel's unmemorable NPC's because they are in fact void of personality. The fact that the personality skill only determins how good you are at the stupid minigame is testament to how poor of a roleplaying game Oblivion really is. Is Roleplaying even possible in Oblivion?

Now take Vampire the Masquerade. While it was released with bugs, there was at least a good roleplaying game to back it up. Trokia decided to add some interesting features, such as relationships established through dialogue and personality. Consiquences for the actions of your avatar. Memorable NPC's that nobody can forget. Some choice in regards to how you would like to define your character within the game world. These basic roleplaying components while not exactly radical, are somewhat important in a roleplaying game, don't you think?

Besides KotOR, Vampire the Masquerade is probably one of the best examples of a post-Black Isle era roleplaying game. Gamespot's opinion? 7.7. What the hell do Gamespot know about roleplaying games?

edit: I hope I don't receive a moderation for being critical of gamespot. This post is well within the TOS.

Lilac_Benjie

Take Oblivion for example. 9.3 editors choice at Gamespot; If your an RPG fan then don't miss out on this overrated excuse for an offline mmorpg.

So where to begin? Bethesda replaced relationship development with a minigame. Not that I particularly want to interact with Tamriel's unmemorable NPC's because they are in fact void of personality. The fact that the personality skill only determins how good you are at the stupid minigame is testament to how poor of a roleplaying game Oblivion really is. Is Roleplaying even possible in Oblivion?

Now take Vampire the Masquerade. While it was released with bugs, there was at least a good roleplaying game to back it up. Trokia decided to add some interesting features, such as relationships established through dialogue and personality. Consiquences for the actions of your avatar. Memorable NPC's that nobody can forget. Some choice in regards to how you would like to define your character within the game world. These basic roleplaying components while not exactly radical, are somewhat important in a roleplaying game, don't you think?

Besides KotOR, Vampire the Masquerade is probably one of the best examples of a post-Black Isle era roleplaying game. Gamespot's opinion? 7.7. What the hell do Gamespot know about roleplaying games?

edit: I hope I don't receive a moderation for being critical of gamespot. This post is well within the TOS.

Lilac_Benjie

If you are going to take it that far then Sims 2 is the best ture RPG ever made.  Everything you listed as an RPG feature in Vampire the Masquerade has been in the Sims for years.

Perhaps the real shame is that patches are not reviewed. Even a short paragraph detailing the effects of profound patches would help gamers know if a game is worth getting in the long term. 

If you are going to take it that far then Sims 2 is the best ture RPG ever made. Everything you listed as an RPG feature in Vampire the Masquerade has been in the Sims for years.basersx

Do you roleplay in the Sims?

There's no such thing as an offline mmorpg.EvanSkanes

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I cannot believe I had to spell my point out. 

Yes, oblivion is very, very overatted. My first time through, I had tons of fun until the 40 hour mark, were everything was almost the same and things got boring. Boring voice acting, bad story, lame AI, etc. etc.

And to show how bad of a developer bethsteda is, look at all the other games they make..:\ 

I think GS rates a little too much on first impressions, and doesn't take the long term into account. With a game like Oblivion, sure first impression is going to be great, it's not untill you actually get into the game you realize what a turd it is.Alaris83

Oblivion got amazing reviews but i can't name one person i know in real life that likes it lol. Personally i thought it was trash and the world was bland and generic.

Games like Gears and Halo i thought were crap too but alot of my mates love em.

How can a game be an MMO if there is only 1 actual player in it? :|the_ChEeSe_mAn2

That's true.

I think he was trying to say a lack of story or something along the lines....not sure...he's wasn't too clear.

I haven' t played any MMO's so not sure if they have stories. But I did play Guild Wars and it had a story...and it felt like an rpg..but it was just online. 

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]How can a game be an MMO if there is only 1 actual player in it? :|bigmit37

That's true.

I think he was trying to say a lack of story or something along the lines....not sure...he's wasn't too clear.

I haven' t played any MMO's so not sure if they have stories. But I did play Guild Wars and it had a story...and it felt like an rpg..but it was just online. 

GW is a online RPG and it isn't a mmorpg and nowhere on the website does it say it is or in the FaQ.

Take Oblivion for example. 9.3 editors choice at Gamespot; If your an RPG fan then don't miss out on this overrated excuse for an offline mmorpg.

So where to begin? Bethesda replaced relationship development with a minigame. Not that I particularly want to interact with Tamriel's unmemorable NPC's because they are in fact void of personality. The fact that the personality skill only determins how good you are at the stupid minigame is testament to how poor of a roleplaying game Oblivion really is. Is Roleplaying even possible in Oblivion?

Now take Vampire the Masquerade. While it was released with bugs, there was at least a good roleplaying game to back it up. Trokia decided to add some interesting features, such as relationships established through dialogue and personality. Consiquences for the actions of your avatar. Memorable NPC's that nobody can forget. Some choice in regards to how you would like to define your character within the game world. These basic roleplaying components while not exactly radical, are somewhat important in a roleplaying game, don't you think?

Besides KotOR, Vampire the Masquerade is probably one of the best examples of a post-Black Isle era roleplaying game. Gamespot's opinion? 7.7. What the hell do Gamespot know about roleplaying games?

edit: I hope I don't receive a moderation for being critical of gamespot. This post is well within the TOS.

Lilac_Benjie

[QUOTE="bigmit37"]

[QUOTE="the_ChEeSe_mAn2"]How can a game be an MMO if there is only 1 actual player in it? :|Terrorantula

That's true.

I think he was trying to say a lack of story or something along the lines....not sure...he's wasn't too clear.

I haven' t played any MMO's so not sure if they have stories. But I did play Guild Wars and it had a story...and it felt like an rpg..but it was just online.

GW is a online RPG and it isn't a mmorpg and nowhere on the website does it say it is or in the FaQ.

Reading Comprehension.  I SAID I haven't played ANY MMOS. Meaning, I am not calling Guild Wars a MMORPG.