DirectX 10 False advertisements

In case you did'nt test DX10 VS DX9 I recommend you to see this
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/lost_planet_demo_directx_10_performance/

Facts:
 - Microsoft says DX10 runs about 6 times faster than DX9
 - Capcom says DX10 runs about 10 to 20 percent faster in lost planet than DX9
 - Performance results according to link above shows up to 16 percent decrease
    of performance in DX10 compared to DX9
 - Also DX9 under vista is slower than DX9 under XP(DX10:58fps vista_DX9:70fps
    xp_DX9:73fps)
 - This all cant be just driver issues
 - media files run pretty slower under vista and one of its reasons under media player
    is process mfpmp.exe than you can check how it sucks CPU power for yourself
 - What is not runnig slower under vista compared to XP,really? I got nothing.
 - Vista swallow more ram and more CPU overall for same tasks.
 - I have bought this peice a ... myself so dont bash me for that.
 - Microsoft just love our $$ or they could have given us windows Xp Service Pack 3.
 - for now Vista is more unstable than XP
 - there are more features in vista compared to xp and I'm not denying it but at
    what price??
 - Microsoft Please dont lie again over this vista thing.

 I like to see others' comments about this embarrasment for Microsoft

In case you did'nt test DX10 VS DX9 I recommend you to see this
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/lost_planet_demo_directx_10_performance/

Facts:
- Microsoft says DX10 runs about 6 times faster than DX9

moh_sakhaii

It runs 6 times faster using specific DX10 effects compared to if DX9 were to use those same effects.  

...as soon as someone whos having a bad day sees this, the flaming will begin,

 And first thing thats going to be said is DX10 IS NOT EVEN OFFICIALLY OUT YET. all there is is Betas and Demos.....correct?

 So Microsoft is Innocent until proven guilty which maybe on June 26 when Lost Planet, the first official DX10 game releases

But hey nice work, you put that together pretty well, maybe you can throw that in M$'s face on June 26

Keep in mind its still a demo. Not the final product.

In case you did'nt test DX10 VS DX9 I recommend you to see this
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/lost_planet_demo_directx_10_performance/

Facts:
- Microsoft says DX10 runs about 6 times faster than DX9
- Capcom says DX10 runs about 10 to 20 percent faster in lost planet than DX9
- Performance results according to link above shows up to 16 percent decrease
of performance in DX10 compared to DX9
- Also DX9 under vista is slower than DX9 under XP(DX10:58fps vista_DX9:70fps
xp_DX9:73fps)
- This all cant be just driver issues
- media files run pretty slower under vista and one of its reasons under media player
is process mfpmp.exe than you can check how it sucks CPU power for yourself
- What is not runnig slower under vista compared to XP,really? I got nothing.
- Vista swallow more ram and more CPU overall for same tasks.
- I have bought this peice a ... myself so dont bash me for that.
- Microsoft just love our $$ or they could have given us windows Xp Service Pack 3.
- for now Vista is more unstable than XP
- there are more features in vista compared to xp and I'm not denying it but at
what price??
- Microsoft Please dont lie again over this vista thing.

I like to see others' comments about this embarrasment for Microsoft

moh_sakhaii

Ejem I'm not a M$ fanboy or something like that, but do you know how to program with a graphic API like DirectX or OpenGL?? 

And when people will see, that this is NOT the "advancement" from its previous OS and they won't buy that OS money-wise, then microsoft will end its vacation work and do some serious work to bring up costumers.

Shegevara

I somewhat agree with that, i dont think Microsoft is TRUELY devoted to creating the Ultimate OS. With a Basic version for Consumers and Advanced version for Business and Enthusiasts

don't panic. Everyone knows microsoft is macroSH**T. I mean, tell me one OS that ran from that time current things faster with less hardware power than it's predecesor. From micro$$$oft, i can say without any doubt: NONE!

 

 

If people like to pay 100 and ofcourse more for an OS that is only a little bit better than the one before, that runs slower in the same conditions that the one before, that has few "make up" stuff and useless stuff, microsoft will do it over and over again. And when people will see, that this is NOT the "advancement" from its previous OS and they won't buy that OS money-wise, then microsoft will end its vacation work and do some serious work to bring up costumers.

Shegevara

u can actually get vista for around £60...;)

[QUOTE="Shegevara"]

don't panic. Everyone knows microsoft is macroSH**T. I mean, tell me one OS that ran from that time current things faster with less hardware power than it's predecesor. From micro$$$oft, i can say without any doubt: NONE!

 

 

If people like to pay 100 and ofcourse more for an OS that is only a little bit better than the one before, that runs slower in the same conditions that the one before, that has few "make up" stuff and useless stuff, microsoft will do it over and over again. And when people will see, that this is NOT the "advancement" from its previous OS and they won't buy that OS money-wise, then microsoft will end its vacation work and do some serious work to bring up costumers.

gamerchris810

u can actually get vista for around £60...;)

No they are the same effects the visuals are fairly similar but under diffrent APIs
ie DX10 and DX9 so it is slower period at least for now.

and audio is always problematic with vista too that I forgot to mention.

the simple thing is...vista is still better than xp though...and all ur points show that.gamerchris810

 Better in what way? As far as I'm concerned Vista does nothing for me which is the reason why I have not gotten it. In fact these "exclusives" like Lost Plane and Halo 2 are pure monopolizing peaces of crap. Microsoft can shove Vista where the sun don't shine. VIVA LA REVOLUCION!

[QUOTE="gamerchris810"]the simple thing is...vista is still better than xp though...and all ur points show that.Unstoppable_1

Better in what way? As far as I'm concerned Vista does nothing for me which is the reason why I have not gotten it. In fact these "exclusives" like Lost Plane and Halo 2 are pure monopolizing peaces of crap. Microsoft can shove Vista where the sun don't shine. VIVA LA REVOLUCION!

your choice but i surpose u wont be able to play the latest games ;) kinda like a console..u need to upgrade.. 

I talked to various developers on this issue. Either A) They are going to stick with Dx9 for several more years to get the majority of sales, or B) Go to OpenGL because Dx10 is narrowing the market potential for their titles. Believe me, even the king of 3d graphics (john carmack) has no care for Dx10 right now. It is the least cared-for API in DirectX's releases. MS wants you to care for some strange reason.. wonder why.. it just comes down to you being an idiot and have no idea why you need it other than someone tells you you have to have it now. You're a consumer, and Microsoft will get the $$$ out of your wallet to obtain a useless iteration of DirectX 10.

I wish moderators would just clean these idiotic threads off the forum.GodLovesDead

agree with him 

In case you did'nt test DX10 VS DX9 I recommend you to see this
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/lost_planet_demo_directx_10_performance/

Facts:
 - Microsoft says DX10 runs about 6 times faster than DX9
 - Capcom says DX10 runs about 10 to 20 percent faster in lost planet than DX9
 - Performance results according to link above shows up to 16 percent decrease
    of performance in DX10 compared to DX9
 - Also DX9 under vista is slower than DX9 under XP(DX10:58fps vista_DX9:70fps
    xp_DX9:73fps)
 - This all cant be just driver issues
 - media files run pretty slower under vista and one of its reasons under media player
    is process mfpmp.exe than you can check how it sucks CPU power for yourself
 - What is not runnig slower under vista compared to XP,really? I got nothing.
 - Vista swallow more ram and more CPU overall for same tasks.
 - I have bought this peice a ... myself so dont bash me for that.
 - Microsoft just love our $$ or they could have given us windows Xp Service Pack 3.
 - for now Vista is more unstable than XP
 - there are more features in vista compared to xp and I'm not denying it but at
    what price??
 - Microsoft Please dont lie again over this vista thing.

 I like to see others' comments about this embarrasment for Microsoft

moh_sakhaii

I dont know where firingsqad got their DirectX 10 ino but it's eye popping wrong. In theory a game running a DX10 codepath should have less overhead for specific operation such as draws or bind. Overhead is simply the CPU giving the command the to its dedicated hardware. In no way way would you ever get 6X the performance just by reducing overheads. not even in the best of cases would get 50% more unless you have a really slow CPU. False advertisement, not really, hype and disinformation is more the case.

As far as Lost planet goes it's a very bad rushed example, it took what, less than a year. Lost planet for the PC is a publicity stunt by Nvidia. it only used minimal geometry shader and stream output. nothing on textures array and instancing.

The real eye candy will come with crysis and later.

I dont know where firingsqad got their DirectX 10 ino but it's eye popping wrong. In theory a game running a DX10 codepath should have less overhead for specific operation such as draws or bind. Overhead is simply the CPU giving the command the to its dedicated hardware. In no way way would you ever get 6X the performance just by reducing overheads. not even in the best of cases would get 50% more unless you have a really slow CPU. False advertisement, not really, hype and disinformation is more the case.

t3h_MarK

Microsoft didnt say just get the games that we approve for 6X performance gain and I dont think your ever gonna get that performance gain in future!!

That's what I'm talking about they just lied about the whole thing to sell vista and Microsoft will not create a better OS if they can always sell whatever they make so easily.

Although Vista does suck up ridiculous resources I have to disagree. I'm running 64-bit ultimate and it literally uses 80% ram and CPU just idling, and god forbid you run a program such as itunes, with an actual 60gb library. However, despite all the unexplained software crashes (not many of them) every game has worked perfectly so far on Vista, just as stable as they did on XP Pro. Giglioroninomic

Come on We are talking about 6x performance gain that they lied about DX10 gaming. plus DX9 gaming is pretty slower than xp. media files sure as hell are running with more cpu usage you cannot deny all this. if you play an old DX7 game you will see about 50% drop in performance that is not a joke at all.

[QUOTE="Giglioroninomic"]Although Vista does suck up ridiculous resources I have to disagree. I'm running 64-bit ultimate and it literally uses 80% ram and CPU just idling, and god forbid you run a program such as itunes, with an actual 60gb library. However, despite all the unexplained software crashes (not many of them) every game has worked perfectly so far on Vista, just as stable as they did on XP Pro. moh_sakhaii

Come on We are talking about 6x performance gain that they lied about DX10 gaming. plus DX9 gaming is pretty slower than xp. media files sure as hell are running with more cpu usage you cannot deny all this. if you play an old DX7 game you will see about 50% drop in performance that is not a joke at all.

no1 lied, just wait n c.