Need suggestions for building a gaming rig for $1k USD. Looking to run most games on High settings and dont
need monitor or mouse. Need windows. Was looking at the X4 965 over the intel cpu's.. is this a better choice?
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I'd spend $700 to get a PC with a 5850:[spoiler] . [/spoiler] smc91352Again Change the psu, a 430w psu isnt smart for use for a 5850., change the cpu to a Phenom 2 955, and the case. and you would have a much better Pc.
Again Change the psu, a 430w psu isnt smart for use for a 5850., change the cpu to a Phenom 2 955, and the case. and you would have a much better Pc.04dcarraherno doubt in my mind that psu is good enough for a 5850. "much better" is an opinion I don't agree with. :P I respect your advice and your recommendations.
[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]Again Change the psu, a 430w psu isnt smart for use for a 5850., change the cpu to a Phenom 2 955, and the case. and you would have a much better Pc.smc91352no doubt in my mind that psu is good enough for a 5850. "much better" is an opinion I don't agree with. :P I respect your advice and your recommendations. For $100 more my PC has
Better CPU - Phenom II X4 965 3.4ghz > Althon II X4 620 2.6ghz
Better PSU - OCZ 700w PSU > Antec 430w PSU
Better RAM - OCZ 4GB DDR3 1600 > AllComponents 4GB DDR2 800
Better MOBO - Asus AM3 CF ready ATX> Biostar AM3/AM2+/AM2 Micro ATX
Better Case - NZXT M59 Mid ATX > APEX Mid ATX
Better HDD - Seagate Barracuda 1.5TB 7,200 RPM > Western Digital 640GB 7,200RPM
Better GPU - 2x Sapphire 5770 1GB Crossfire > XFX 5850 1GB
Also my PC uses quality name brands like ASUS, Sapphire, OCZ.
[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]Again Change the psu, a 430w psu isnt smart for use for a 5850., change the cpu to a Phenom 2 955, and the case. and you would have a much better Pc.smc91352no doubt in my mind that psu is good enough for a 5850. "much better" is an opinion I don't agree with. :P I respect your advice and your recommendations. No the psu isnt enough, the 430w only has One 6 pin pci-e power cable. Which means that you would have to use power adapters to draw power from sections of the psu that usnt meant to supply that much power. Trust me that 430w isnt enough for a 5850 to be safely used. For example this psu here is able to handle 5850 right out of the box since is has the needed connections and power. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341022&cm_re=550w-_-17-341-022-_-Product
Also Phenom 2 is the better option, its faster simply put, and it wont hold a 5850 back
For $100 moreNVIDIATIyou can't count rebates, and there's no shipping.
2x Sapphire 5770 1GB Crossfire > XFX 5850 1GBNVIDIATImost games. since I like more monitors I would like (2) 5770s for my main PC, but for others I'd like a 5850 instead.
No the psu isnt enough, the 430w only has One 6 pin pci-e power cable. Which means that you would have to use power adapters to draw power from sections of the psu that usnt meant to supply that much power. Trust me that 430w isnt enough for a 5850 to be safely used.04dcarraheryeah, you'd have to use a molex to PCI-e cable. I'll trust the fact that I've seen use more powerful cards and more powerful cpus on an equal psu instead.
Also Phenom 2 is the better option04dcarraheragain, opinion. sure I'd rather have it, but I wouldn't pay the difference for it.
its faster simply put, and it wont hold a 5850 back04dcarraheryeah, its faster. I don't think an athlon ii x4 would hold back a 5850 much, anyway.
Here's a good Gaming Pc $1002
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.454693Phenom 2 955 plus a 650w psu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.437524.13-131-603- Mobo plus Win 7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145218&cm_re=DDR3_4gb-_-20-145-218-_-Product- 4gb DDR3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148395&cm_re=500gb_sata-_-22-148-395-_-Product- 500gb Hdd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106333- DVD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119216&cm_re=coolermaster_case-_-11-119-216-_-Product- CM 690 II case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150490- 5870
For $818 after $95 rebate my PC does everything better, but yours has a 5870 which is slightly better than mine which has CF 5770.Here's a good Gaming Pc $1002
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.454693Phenom 2 955 plus a 650w psu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.437524.13-131-603- Mobo plus Win 7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145218&cm_re=DDR3_4gb-_-20-145-218-_-Product- 4gb DDR3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148395&cm_re=500gb_sata-_-22-148-395-_-Product- 500gb Hdd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106333- DVD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119216&cm_re=coolermaster_case-_-11-119-216-_-Product- CM 690 II case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150490- 5870
04dcarraher
[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]yeah, you'd have to use a molex to PCI-e cable. I'll trust the fact that I've seen use more powerful cards and more powerful cpus on an equal psu instead.[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]Also Phenom 2 is the better optionsmc91352again, opinion. sure I'd rather have it, but I wouldn't pay the difference for it.
its faster simply put, and it wont hold a 5850 back04dcarraheryeah, its faster. I don't think an athlon ii x4 would hold back a 5850 much, anyway.
People using adapters on such a low wattage psu with high ended hardware arent being smart.
You might as well spend the extra $40-$50 because The Phenom 2 is on average is 20% faster then the Athlon II X4 and some cases even upto 40% because of the L3 cache. Heres an example with a GTX 260, and also the 5850 are much faster you would see the same type of gaps seen here.
[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]
Here's a good Gaming Pc $1002
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.454693Phenom 2 955 plus a 650w psu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.437524.13-131-603- Mobo plus Win 7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145218&cm_re=DDR3_4gb-_-20-145-218-_-Product- 4gb DDR3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148395&cm_re=500gb_sata-_-22-148-395-_-Product- 500gb Hdd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106333- DVD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119216&cm_re=coolermaster_case-_-11-119-216-_-Product- CM 690 II case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150490- 5870
For $818 after $95 rebate my PC does everything better, but yours has a 5870 which is slightly better than mine which has CF 5770. the differences between 3.4ghz and 3.2 ghz wouldnt even be noticed, and memory speed too. But yours has more hdd space...People using adapters on such a low wattage psu with high ended hardware arent being smart.04dcarraherI don't care if you think I'm being smart. I know it can be done and I'd do it.
You might as well spend the extra $40-$50 because The Phenom 2 is on average is 20% faster then the Athlon II X4 and some cases even upto 40% because of the L3 cache. Heres an example with a GTX 260, and also the 5850 are much faster you would see the same type of gaps seen here.04dcarraherthat res doesn't matter to me; show 1080p graphs. and not from Tom's, please. :)
[QUOTE="04dcarraher"]People using adapters on such a low wattage psu with high ended hardware arent being smart.smc91352I don't care if you think I'm being smart. I know it can be done and I'd do it.
You might as well spend the extra $40-$50 because The Phenom 2 is on average is 20% faster then the Athlon II X4 and some cases even upto 40% because of the L3 cache. Heres an example with a GTX 260, and also the 5850 are much faster you would see the same type of gaps seen here.04dcarraherthat res doesn't matter to me; show 1080p graphs. and not from Tom's, please. :)
Go ahead a run a psu at 80% or more of its abilty you will just shorten its life and take more of a chance of it dying on you within a couple of years. As capacitor age and with more stressed they loose their ablilty to supply power over time. If you have that 430w and use it for a year or more at that type of load you will loose the abilty to power the system correctly. Putting your psu and PC at risk, Which is why even ATI reccomend a 500w psu. Even at 1080 resolutions you know the Phenom 2's will outperform the Athlon II X4's.
Ya i would go with what 04dcarraher said...and really stay away from what smc91352 is saying....430w psu really makes your pc unable to upgrade in the future without getting another psu. Case is cheap and very fragile comes with no fans. The ram gets so-so reviews and you really dont want crappy ram in your system. That biostar motherboard overheats the ram and has ruined several peoples ram without any response from the manufactuer on this issue. Not to mention no crossfire or sli support which again if you wanna get another 5870 your gonna have to get a new mobo.thanks fro all the builds and comments everyone
I forgot to mention, i don't know anything about overclocking.
So far im leaning towards 04dcarraher's build. will it still run well w/o OC?
lioceR
[QUOTE="lioceR"]Ya i would go with what 04dcarraher said...and really stay away from what smc91352 is saying....430w psu really makes your pc unable to upgrade in the future without getting another psu. Case is cheap and very fragile comes with no fans. The ram gets so-so reviews and you really dont want crappy ram in your system. That biostar motherboard overheats the ram and has ruined several peoples ram without any response from the manufactuer on this issue. Not to mention no crossfire or sli support which again if you wanna get another 5870 your gonna have to get a new mobo.thanks fro all the builds and comments everyone
I forgot to mention, i don't know anything about overclocking.
So far im leaning towards 04dcarraher's build. will it still run well w/o OC?
FF6fan
The motherboard in 04dcarraher's build is NOT able to do SLI/Crossfire as it only has a single PCI-Express x16 slot.
:? My build is better is almost every way and its $200 less... $818 After $95 rebate.
http://img188.imageshack.us/img188/4479/800pc.jpg
And if he would rather have the single 5870 he can always just get it instead of the 2x 5770s, though benchmarks show that a 2x 5770 in some cases can be better, the same, and worse than a 5870 for $100 less. Nothing is wrong with 04dcarrahers build, I just think it could be done better to save some more money.
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