AMD's "Nvidia Killer" opnion

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#1 npiet1
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So there's rumors of the next line of AMD's cards beating the 2080ti, while I don't understand the architecture of those things. What do you guys think?

I'm hoping it does would love to see the price's go down.

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#2 Random_Matt
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Nope, AMD talk bullshit every gen.

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#3 Random_Matt
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Perhaps they will, then ampere will step up a gear anyway.

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#4  Edited By npiet1
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@Random_Matt: They didn't really talk shit with Ryzen, then again they didn't need too.

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Nvidia hasn't been sleeping.

Intel has for 2-3 gens, lul. thats what AMD needed to catch up.

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@npiet1 said:

@Random_Matt: They didn't really talk shit with Ryzen, then again they didn't need too.

Well From what I seen about Intel's GPU's is that they're really bad and AMD even has them beat.

Once AMD put Intel down for the count, maybe they'll have more time and resources to compete with Nvidia's high-end GPU? Only time will tell, but the fact of the matter is, AMD doesn't have enough resource to go all the way up to Nvidia.

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So it should... Its a newer GPU, it should be faster than current GPU's in the market.

AMD competing with Nvidia's last generation GPU top tier cards does not interest me, its why Vega 7 failed and why the 5700 XT is not even a choice for me as someone who already had a 1080 Ti.

AMD's GPU segment is asleep at the wheel, Navi was hyped to be a $200-250 Polaris replacement and what we got was something a little better than Nvidia in terms of price to performance but no ray tracing and a higher TDP.

I can't imagine what a Navi GPU with ray tracing cores and more CU's than a 5700XT will be like... It will probably be a AIO type of deal like Fury and draw more power than a entire system.

AMD beat Intel because Intel was asleep at the wheel... Which is what Nvidia's is doing to AMD for so long in the GPU market.

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amd could had released a higher end navi gpu by now but it's more profitable for them to ignore the gpu market. A high end gpu is a large chip and will be a lot less profitable than amd Epic Server CPUS

amd doesn't make its own chips amd currently using tsmc 7nm foundry, and tsmc can't make enough wafers for all there consumers which includes apple and mobile. nvidia using tsmc 12nm foundry

geforce 3000 series update Jensen Huang nvidia ceo just said it values its partnership with tsmc and will be using tsmc for most of its orders for next gen gpus unknown weather it's first gen 7nm or second gen 7nm+/euv. probably will be first gen as nvidia like mature processes, higher yields, bigger chips etc, and it'll be cheaper.

nvidia will be using samsung 7nm euv for its lower end gpus most likely

Nvidia Orin is the first ampere gpu announcement but it's for self driving cars and they didn't go into details. might hear more about it at ces in two weeks

As for release date there are no rumors that I trust, but one rumor says nvidia will announce gaming gpus at gtc in late march.

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#9 locus-solus
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As for navi 23 nvidia killer rumors I hope it's true a competitive amd could encourage nvidia to make a better product and lower prices.

navi 23 rumors are at least least 2 months old. it might have been spotted in linux drivers but that could had been a different version of navi 20 don't remember.

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AMD still has a lot of work to do in the GPU space. RTG has been cash strapped as both of AMD divisions were failing for a long time to make money.

but there are some encouraging signs. They have been putting more resources back into RTG from the Ryzen money. RDNA is a good step in the right direction (a 5700 beats a vega 64 using fewer transistors, fewer shaders and less resources. thats the kind of progress AMD needs to make on the GPU front). but there is still more work to do to catch up.

they sould certainly be aiming to put the 2080TI to the sword. ideally they should be looking to do it on all fronts (well maybe leave the tensor cores out...they seem to be a solution looking for a problem on the gaming front). great rasterisations and RTX performance, better balanaced to ensure that RTX doesnt tank performance as much etc. if they could find a way where all shaders could be used for all types of shader workloads then that could be a good advantage.

at the very least their next high end card should beat the 2080TI on the rasterisation front and at a significantly lower cost....though that would not be ideal.

as for nvidia killer claim....i doubt it unless nvidia have made a big mistake. even if AMD manage to comprehensively beat the 2080TI, Nvidia have more in their aresenal and its not like they have been doing nothing since releasing the 2080TI.

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#11  Edited By BassMan
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AMD needs to catch up and put pressure on Nvidia. That being said... They will probably get raped again when Nvidia comes out with their 7nm cards.

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@BassMan said:

AMD needs to catch up and put pressure on Nvidia. That being said... They will probably get raped again when Nvidia comes out with their 7nm cards.

So pretty much AMD has a great chance but as soon as they do Nvidia will just come out with something a lot better?

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#13  Edited By BassMan
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@npiet1 said:
@BassMan said:

AMD needs to catch up and put pressure on Nvidia. That being said... They will probably get raped again when Nvidia comes out with their 7nm cards.

So pretty much AMD has a great chance but as soon as they do Nvidia will just come out with something a lot better?

Nvidia usually comes out on top. The only reason AMD is somewhat competitive right now is because they have already made the jump to 7nm.

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@BassMan said:
@npiet1 said:
@BassMan said:

AMD needs to catch up and put pressure on Nvidia. That being said... They will probably get raped again when Nvidia comes out with their 7nm cards.

So pretty much AMD has a great chance but as soon as they do Nvidia will just come out with something a lot better?

Nvidia usually comes out on top. The only reason AMD is somewhat competitive right now is because they have already made the jump to 7nm.

This is the jist of it, amd is almost able to catch up to nvidia's old gen running on old fab, when Nvidia jumps on new fab too it will look grim for AMD again

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@npiet1 said:
@BassMan said:

AMD needs to catch up and put pressure on Nvidia. That being said... They will probably get raped again when Nvidia comes out with their 7nm cards.

So pretty much AMD has a great chance but as soon as they do Nvidia will just come out with something a lot better?

Well, no. Nvidia will come out with something their paid sponsors in gaming magazines and Youtube channels will convince the most credulous among us is better. Which is what drove the baseless hype of PhysX 10 years ago and hardware based ray tracing today. I can buy three Radeon 5700s for the price of one 2080TI and still have a couple hundred bucks left over. Each 5700 being just 15-20FPS shy in benchmarks of a 2080TI. So will they have something that can outperform AMD GPUs in their next gen? Maybe, but you'll be paying 2-3x the price for a slight edge in performance which is completely lost on games running an API that doesn't pander to Nvidia hardware.

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#16 ulfrinn
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@BassMan said:
@npiet1 said:
@BassMan said:

AMD needs to catch up and put pressure on Nvidia. That being said... They will probably get raped again when Nvidia comes out with their 7nm cards.

So pretty much AMD has a great chance but as soon as they do Nvidia will just come out with something a lot better?

Nvidia usually comes out on top. The only reason AMD is somewhat competitive right now is because they have already made the jump to 7nm.

AMDs tech is more advanced, with better GPUs, higher amounts of better VRAM. Nvidia only comes out on top because of their partnership with AAA studios and the money they throw around to developers to focus on their hardware, and DirectX which has been Nvidia focused for a while. When you consider Nvidia has been working with Microsoft on DirectX 12, this gives them a performance advantage in DX12 games that skews the results.

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#17 BassMan
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@ulfrinn: AMD has traditionally done well with low level APIs since they made the push for them with Mantle. Vulkan is an extension of Mantle. So, it is no surprise that AMD cards do well with it. They also had a hand in developing DX12 with Nvidia and MS. The results vary from game to game. Even on low level APIs, both drivers and developer support still play a factor. At the the end of the day, the Nvidia cards are the fastest on the majority of games.

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https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-ampere-purportedly-50-faster-than-turing-at-half-the-power-consumption

As reported by the Taipei Times, Yuanta Securities Investment Consulting Co has some very juicy details on Nvidia's next-generation GeForce (codenamed Ampere) graphics cards. According to the firm, Ampere will allegedly deliver up to 50% higher performance than current Turing at half the power consumption.

It's no secret that Ampere will come out of the 7nm furnace. Unlike AMD who remains faithful to TSMC, Nvidia will be hooking up with both TSMC and Samsung to produce the company's 7nm graphics cards. Therefore, stock shouldn't be a major concern for Nvidia.

Nvidia is currently a step behind AMD in terms of process nodes. Turing is built on TSMC's 12nm FinFET manufacturing process while rival Navi is already reaping the benefits of the 7nm node. However, Nvidia will achieve parity with AMD in the second half of this year as that's when Ampere is scheduled to arrive, according to Yuanta. AMD still has 'Big Navi' up its sleeves but if Ampere performs as Yuanta says it does, the Red Team is going to have a big problem on its hands.