6870 or a 460?

Looking to get a new graphics card for when BF3 comes out. I'm wondering if these cards could get it runnong on high with 30fps. rest of my system is fine but just wonderong on the card. Shouldi wait till a little bit before the game comes out and see if there is a price drop on higher end cards by then? Any help would be apriciated. looking to spend around 200 max

460 because nvidia support is just better.

You will get more frames out of a 6870. The 460 is generally cheaper and you can use PhysX.

the main thing that is nvidia is thier good drivers and physx support (also the cuda video encoding/decoding software) but you should look up the list of games that use Physx and decide for yourself, i'd recommend 6870

HD 6870.

yah get the 6870, I have a 460 1gb and it idles at 30 degrees celsius but at load goes to almost 70 degrees. If I overclock im scared the temps will go to 90 degrees celsius at load. The 6870 is as fast at stock as the 460 1gb will ever get overclocked. Also yah wait till the game comes out before buying a card. Alot of people are coming in to ask the same question about a game thats not due for 5 months.

yah get the 6870, I have a 460 1gb and it idles at 30 degrees celsius but at load goes to almost 70 degrees. If I overclock im scared the temps will go to 90 degrees celsius at load. The 6870 is as fast at stock as the 460 1gb will ever get overclocked. Also yah wait till the game comes out before buying a card. Alot of people are coming in to ask the same question about a game thats not due for 5 months.

blaznwiipspman1

Even with a GTX 460 you are still an AMD fanboy. :lol:

I recommend NOT getting a GPU for BF3 right now. I repeat DONT do it. Wait to see how it preforms on your hardware then buy it if you need it. This goes for ALL unreleased games period.

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yah get the 6870, I have a 460 1gb and it idles at 30 degrees celsius but at load goes to almost 70 degrees. If I overclock im scared the temps will go to 90 degrees celsius at load. The 6870 is as fast at stock as the 460 1gb will ever get overclocked. Also yah wait till the game comes out before buying a card. Alot of people are coming in to ask the same question about a game thats not due for 5 months.

Gambler_3

Even with a GTX 460 you are still an AMD fanboy. :lol:

lol and now the gambler appears. I wasn't aware overclocking a card only raised temps 2-5 degrees celsius, I was thinking more along the lines of 10 degrees. I have the palit sonic edition 460 1gb gtx and it sounds like an airplane taking off when im gaming. My last card the radeon 4770 would go to around 53 degrees at load and idle at 40 degrees, and also was pretty quiet enough that it wasn't annoying. Also gambler you yourself should be the new mascot for nvidia, send them a picture.

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yah get the 6870, I have a 460 1gb and it idles at 30 degrees celsius but at load goes to almost 70 degrees. If I overclock im scared the temps will go to 90 degrees celsius at load. The 6870 is as fast at stock as the 460 1gb will ever get overclocked. Also yah wait till the game comes out before buying a card. Alot of people are coming in to ask the same question about a game thats not due for 5 months.

blaznwiipspman1

Even with a GTX 460 you are still an AMD fanboy. :lol:

lol and now the gambler appears. I wasn't aware overclocking a card only raised temps 2-5 degrees celsius, I was thinking more along the lines of 10 degrees. I have the palit sonic edition 460 1gb gtx and it sounds like an airplane taking off when im gaming. My last card the radeon 4770 would go to around 53 degrees at load and idle at 40 degrees, and also was pretty quiet enough that it wasn't annoying. Also gambler you yourself should be the new mascot for nvidia, send them a picture.

53 degress at load :lol: yes that totally happened with a 4770....NOT! :roll:

53 degress at load :lol: yes that totally happened with a 4770....NOT! :roll:

Gambler_3

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[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]You havent even overclocked yet and you judged it hot before? You realise 70C is awesome for todays cards? Are you also so clueless that you dont know that overclocking only increases load temps by 2-5C maximum for most cards?

Even with a GTX 460 you are still an AMD fanboy. :lol:

04dcarraher

lol and now the gambler appears. I wasn't aware overclocking a card only raised temps 2-5 degrees celsius, I was thinking more along the lines of 10 degrees. I have the palit sonic edition 460 1gb gtx and it sounds like an airplane taking off when im gaming. My last card the radeon 4770 would go to around 53 degrees at load and idle at 40 degrees, and also was pretty quiet enough that it wasn't annoying. Also gambler you yourself should be the new mascot for nvidia, send them a picture.

I never move anywhere, I prefer amd gpus but that doesn't mean I will buy their products only. Over the years I have always bought whatever gives me the better value and thats all there was to it. In fact I bought more nvidia gpus in the past 5 years than AMD. Anyhow I don't want to change the fan speed, the load temp is alright high as is.

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53 degress at load :lol: yes that totally happened with a 4770....NOT! :roll:

04dcarraher

neither of you have owned one before. I have never seen that temp on my 4770 before. I only saw 60 degrees celsius once while running furmark and that was it. Either way im not used to seeing 70 degrees load for video cards.

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[QUOTE="Gambler_3"]

53 degress at load :lol: yes that totally happened with a 4770....NOT! :roll:

blaznwiipspman1

neither of you have owned one before. I have never seen that temp on my 4770 before. I only saw 60 degrees celsius once while running furmark and that was it. Either way im not used to seeing 70 degrees load for video cards.

I had an XFX HD 4770 :? I remember it idling at 48-53C and reached 60-70 at full load...

just saying. For comparisons sake, my HD 6850 idles between 30-38 depending on whether it is overclocked or not.

yah get the 6870, I have a 460 1gb and it idles at 30 degrees celsius but at load goes to almost 70 degrees. If I overclock im scared the temps will go to 90 degrees celsius at load. The 6870 is as fast at stock as the 460 1gb will ever get overclocked. Also yah wait till the game comes out before buying a card. Alot of people are coming in to ask the same question about a game thats not due for 5 months.

blaznwiipspman1

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yah get the 6870, I have a 460 1gb and it idles at 30 degrees celsius but at load goes to almost 70 degrees. If I overclock im scared the temps will go to 90 degrees celsius at load. The 6870 is as fast at stock as the 460 1gb will ever get overclocked. Also yah wait till the game comes out before buying a card. Alot of people are coming in to ask the same question about a game thats not due for 5 months.

muscleserge

interesting seeing as I have the exact same model as you I will test out your theory. Anyways OP, here is a 6870 on sale at ncix, for $175 plus you get a $25 mail in rebate so total is $150 after everything. You might even be able to get the free game dirt 3.

http://ncix.com/products/?sku=56262&vpn=HD687AZNFC&manufacture=XFX

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yah get the 6870, I have a 460 1gb and it idles at 30 degrees celsius but at load goes to almost 70 degrees. If I overclock im scared the temps will go to 90 degrees celsius at load. The 6870 is as fast at stock as the 460 1gb will ever get overclocked. Also yah wait till the game comes out before buying a card. Alot of people are coming in to ask the same question about a game thats not due for 5 months.

muscleserge

Sure but the HD 6870 also overclocks. With enough skill getting the HD 6870 to just over 1Ghz is doable and even a GTX 460 1GB at 900Mhz won't be able to match that.

Overall the HD 6870 is the better card.

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yah get the 6870, I have a 460 1gb and it idles at 30 degrees celsius but at load goes to almost 70 degrees. If I overclock im scared the temps will go to 90 degrees celsius at load. The 6870 is as fast at stock as the 460 1gb will ever get overclocked. Also yah wait till the game comes out before buying a card. Alot of people are coming in to ask the same question about a game thats not due for 5 months.

Tezcatlipoca666

Sure but the HD 6870 also overclocks. With enough skill getting the HD 6870 to just over 1Ghz is doable and even a GTX 460 1GB at 900Mhz won't be able to match that.

Overall the HD 6870 is the better card.

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yah get the 6870, I have a 460 1gb and it idles at 30 degrees celsius but at load goes to almost 70 degrees. If I overclock im scared the temps will go to 90 degrees celsius at load. The 6870 is as fast at stock as the 460 1gb will ever get overclocked. Also yah wait till the game comes out before buying a card. Alot of people are coming in to ask the same question about a game thats not due for 5 months.

blaznwiipspman1

interesting seeing as I have the exact same model as you I will test out your theory. Anyways OP, here is a 6870 on sale at ncix, for $175 plus you get a $25 mail in rebate so total is $150 after everything. You might even be able to get the free game dirt 3.

http://ncix.com/products/?sku=56262&vpn=HD687AZNFC&manufacture=XFX

it seems you're right, but still the 6870 overclocks pretty well, once it hits 1ghz, it is out of the 460's reach in most games. Also the stock 6870 is much faster than a stock 460 1gb. And as I was saying before I still don't feel comfortable overclocking my 460 1gb seeing as load temps are already at 70 deg celsius. The price of the 6870 is no longer that much higher than a 460 1gb, so it is a good reccomendation.

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/37499-hd-6870-hd-6850-vs-gtx-460-1gb-overclocking-study-8.html

it seems that a gtx460 @ 850mhz is quite a competitor to a stock hd6870, in fact it is faster, so its a matter of price.muscleserge

yah and currently the 6870 is as cheap as a stock 460 1gb gtx, overclocks and beats the 460 1gb. Also ive been meaning to ask what are the temps you're getting at load when you overclock ur 460 1gb? I have the exact same card, the sonic edition but don't want to mess around with it too much.

yah and currently the 6870 is as cheap as a stock 460 1gb gtx, overclocks and beats the 460 1gb. Also ive been meaning to ask what are the temps you're getting at load when you overclock ur 460 1gb? I have the exact same card, the sonic edition but don't want to mess around with it too much.blaznwiipspman1

[QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]yah and currently the 6870 is as cheap as a stock 460 1gb gtx, overclocks and beats the 460 1gb. Also ive been meaning to ask what are the temps you're getting at load when you overclock ur 460 1gb? I have the exact same card, the sonic edition but don't want to mess around with it too much.muscleserge

wierd wtf, im getting 70 deg at load at stock....not sure how to check the fan speed though

[QUOTE="muscleserge"][QUOTE="blaznwiipspman1"]yah and currently the 6870 is as cheap as a stock 460 1gb gtx, overclocks and beats the 460 1gb. Also ive been meaning to ask what are the temps you're getting at load when you overclock ur 460 1gb? I have the exact same card, the sonic edition but don't want to mess around with it too much.blaznwiipspman1

wierd wtf, im getting 70 deg at load at stock....not sure how to check the fan speed though

yah get the 6870, I have a 460 1gb and it idles at 30 degrees celsius but at load goes to almost 70 degrees. If I overclock im scared the temps will go to 90 degrees celsius at load. The 6870 is as fast at stock as the 460 1gb will ever get overclocked. Also yah wait till the game comes out before buying a card. Alot of people are coming in to ask the same question about a game thats not due for 5 months.

blaznwiipspman1

30 degrees is a great idle temperature. 70 degrees is a great load temperature for today's GPUs. I had a Vanilla EVGA GTX 460 1GB that had a 24/7 overclock of 911mhz core (I don't remember the memory OC, but it had over 130gb/s of bandwidth). I had to bump the voltage up to 1075mv, and my temperatures only increased 3-4 degrees C. All of this and I didn't even have to mess with the fan settings.

6870 obviously, but its not a fair comparison, its a generation after the 460, and isn't the same pricepoint. A 5850 versus a 460 is more fair, in which case the 460 wins.

6870 obviously, but its not a fair comparison, its a generation after the 460, and isn't the same pricepoint. A 5850 versus a 460 is more fair, in which case the 460 wins.

NanosuitLover

GTX 460 is technically part of the GTX 400 series, but the GF104 GPU is really GF500 series tech. It's the basis for the GTX 560 and 560 Ti GPUs, and it has all of the low-power, lower energy consumption traits that the rest of the GTX 400 series lacked.

Also, stock vs stock a 5850 is faster than a reference GTX 460 1GB by a decent margin. Only once overclocked does a GTX 460 pull ahead. A 6870 is only a little bit faster than a 5850, remember-

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/Zotac/GeForce_GTX_460_1_GB/31.html

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/Radeon_HD_6870/29.html

With all this being said, the GTX 460 1GB is still a very attractive option for the price. They tend to run very cool and quiet, even when overclocked (reference cooler), and many can hit well over 850mhz, putting them ahead of the 5850 AND 6870. They are going to be remembered as one of those amazing bang-for-the-buck cards in a couple of years, much as the 8800gt is today.

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yah get the 6870, I have a 460 1gb and it idles at 30 degrees celsius but at load goes to almost 70 degrees. If I overclock im scared the temps will go to 90 degrees celsius at load. The 6870 is as fast at stock as the 460 1gb will ever get overclocked. Also yah wait till the game comes out before buying a card. Alot of people are coming in to ask the same question about a game thats not due for 5 months.

blaznwiipspman1

Even with a GTX 460 you are still an AMD fanboy. :lol:

lol and now the gambler appears. I wasn't aware overclocking a card only raised temps 2-5 degrees celsius, I was thinking more along the lines of 10 degrees. I have the palit sonic edition 460 1gb gtx and it sounds like an airplane taking off when im gaming. My last card the radeon 4770 would go to around 53 degrees at load and idle at 40 degrees, and also was pretty quiet enough that it wasn't annoying. Also gambler you yourself should be the new mascot for nvidia, send them a picture.