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#1 alphaqup03
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Which would be better for gaming, blu-ray, and SD television?

Is the true motion feature superior to plasma for games, nature documentaries, and animated films? I've heard it gives a 3D like effect. Does it ever mess up the game or program creating artifacts and stuff?

How much worse is blurring on an LCD?

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Which would be better for gaming, blu-ray, and SD television?

Is the true motion feature superior to plasma for games, nature documentaries, and animated films? I've heard it gives a 3D like effect. Does it ever mess up the game or program creating artifacts and stuff?

How much worse is blurring on an LCD?

alphaqup03
Most days, blurring or ghosting isn't so big an issue that it turns lots of people off it. However, you should know that although 120Hz mode is a great thing for non-interactive stuff (movies, TV, etc), it becomes a problem in games since it involves video processing, similar to what happens when an SD video signal comes into the TV--it must be converted, first. This introduces display lag, which can be a problem especially for games with tight timing demands (think Guitar Hero/Rock Band). You may want to see if the TV has a "Gaming Mode" that cuts that problematic lag.
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#3 Kensquall444
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[QUOTE="alphaqup03"]

Which would be better for gaming, blu-ray, and SD television?

Is the true motion feature superior to plasma for games, nature documentaries, and animated films? I've heard it gives a 3D like effect. Does it ever mess up the game or program creating artifacts and stuff?

How much worse is blurring on an LCD?

HuusAsking

Most days, blurring or ghosting isn't so big an issue that it turns lots of people off it. However, you should know that although 120Hz mode is a great thing for non-interactive stuff (movies, TV, etc), it becomes a problem in games since it involves video processing, similar to what happens when an SD video signal comes into the TV--it must be converted, first. This introduces display lag, which can be a problem especially for games with tight timing demands (think Guitar Hero/Rock Band). You may want to see if the TV has a "Gaming Mode" that cuts that problematic lag.

What he said.

I remember I was playing Tekken on the PS3 using 100hertz mode on the LCD. There was an outstanding difference in delay. That option definitely is for movies and TV not for playing.

Although Plasmas are cheaper nowadays, I would still go for an LCD.

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#4 rogelio22
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it also depends on the games framerate when you have a 120hz set and set it to game mode now if the game runs at a constant 60fps you also get this "3d effect" something that doesnt happen on a non 120hz set i know this because games like infamous (when not much is going in the game) or even punchout for the wii have this effect on my bravia xbr6 but does not have the effect on the non 120hz s-series bravia.in other words i think that the game mode on 120hz sets optimize the games performance like if it runs at a higher frame rate itll actually benefit from the tv being able to do 120hz

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#5 alphaqup03
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LG - 47" ****/ 1080p / 120Hz / LCD HDTV

Samsung - 50" ****/ 720p / 600Hz / Plasma HDTV

which is better

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#6 Rusteater
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LG - 47" ****/ 1080p / 120Hz / LCD HDTV

Samsung - 50" ****/ 720p / 600Hz / Plasma HDTV

which is better

alphaqup03

If you're serious about doing research before you buy, you need to go to the AVSforums

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#7 jshaas
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[QUOTE="alphaqup03"]

LG - 47" ****/ 1080p / 120Hz / LCD HDTV

Samsung - 50" ****/ 720p / 600Hz / Plasma HDTV

which is better

I would go with the Plasma here. You're going to get the just as good, if not better, picture quality as the LG... but for a little less $$. @Rusteater... love that sig man.
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#8 -GeordiLaForge-
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LG - 47" ****/ 1080p / 120Hz / LCD HDTV

Samsung - 50" ****/ 720p / 600Hz / Plasma HDTV

which is better

alphaqup03
I would go for the 120Hz 1080p tv personally. Even a very high end pc would have trouble playing a new game at 120 frames per second, and 600 refreshes per second (Hz = per second) is just an absurd marketing gimmick.
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#9 TheMagicThing
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how many inches u getting. if u getting 50s u should go with plasma

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#10 Makari
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[QUOTE="alphaqup03"]

LG - 47" ****/ 1080p / 120Hz / LCD HDTV

Samsung - 50" ****/ 720p / 600Hz / Plasma HDTV

which is better

-GeordiLaForge-
I would go for the 120Hz 1080p tv personally. Even a very high end pc would have trouble playing a new game at 120 frames per second, and 600 refreshes per second (Hz = per second) is just an absurd marketing gimmick.

120hz LCD's can't actually accept a direct 120hz input (it's a result of extra processing on top of a 24/30/60hz input), so a PC simply can't make one of those things go at 120hz.
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#11 -GeordiLaForge-
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[QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"][QUOTE="alphaqup03"]

LG - 47" ****/ 1080p / 120Hz / LCD HDTV

Samsung - 50" ****/ 720p / 600Hz / Plasma HDTV

which is better

Makari
I would go for the 120Hz 1080p tv personally. Even a very high end pc would have trouble playing a new game at 120 frames per second, and 600 refreshes per second (Hz = per second) is just an absurd marketing gimmick.

120hz LCD's can't actually accept a direct 120hz input (it's a result of extra processing on top of a 24/30/60hz input), so a PC simply can't make one of those things go at 120hz.

I've read that some can, and some can't. But my main point was that 600Hz will never be needed in the other tv's lifetime, so don't buy it based on the fact that it has 600Hz in the name. It's just a marketing gimmick at this point. Personally, the 1080p resolution would be the main selling point for the LCD. I've always preferred 1080p LCD's over 720p (or 1024x1024) plasmas. It all boils down to preference really though, so please no flaming from plasma fanboys :P
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#12 rastan
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The plasma is definitely the better set, but if you sit closer than 6 feet from it, then you may be able to discern the improvement that 1080p provides. If you sit more than 6' from it, then get the 50" plasma and enjoy a bigger picture with higher contrast, truer blacks, excellent off-angle viewing and no motion blur while probably also saving some coin. I also want to clarify some of the confusion around 120/240 Hz and "600Hz" specs. Plasma came up with their 600Hz spec to offset the misconception that plasma "isn't 120/240Hz." In truth 120/240Hz only applies to LCD as it is a technology used to offset the motion lag and jitter in LCD's. Plasma's have no such motion blur/jitter so they do not need 120Hz/240Hz processing. So when comparing the 2 sets, just ignore the 120Hz vs 600Hz spec:-)
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#13 snowren24
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I'd rather have a samsung plasma than an LG LCD if everything was equal, but I think in this situation you have to go with the 1080p 47". going 50" and not 1080p isn't the best move imo. I think if you're going more than 42" you gotta go 1080p unless you are planning on sitting pretty far away. I woudl try to find a Samsung or panasonic plasma 1080p around your price point. it would be worth it to sacrifice a few inches for the quality imo.

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#14 rastan
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It all depends on how far he is going to sit from the TV. My father-in-law has a 50" 1080p plasma. From "his" La-z-boy, he's only about 6' feet away and you can see the 1080p. From the couch for the rest of us at ~11' there's no difference between 1080p and 720p. At the price point of the LG at Best Buy there is a 50" Samsung 1080p plasma available. Also, don't rule out the Panasonic's as they make excellent plasma's. However, if you are going to be sitting about 10' away from the set save the $300 and go with the 720p. The Panasonic 720p 50" at Best Buy is currently $850 and even less at BJ's (My co-worker got it there for $750! last week).
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[QUOTE="Makari"][QUOTE="-GeordiLaForge-"]I would go for the 120Hz 1080p tv personally. Even a very high end pc would have trouble playing a new game at 120 frames per second, and 600 refreshes per second (Hz = per second) is just an absurd marketing gimmick.-GeordiLaForge-
120hz LCD's can't actually accept a direct 120hz input (it's a result of extra processing on top of a 24/30/60hz input), so a PC simply can't make one of those things go at 120hz.

I've read that some can, and some can't. But my main point was that 600Hz will never be needed in the other tv's lifetime, so don't buy it based on the fact that it has 600Hz in the name. It's just a marketing gimmick at this point. Personally, the 1080p resolution would be the main selling point for the LCD. I've always preferred 1080p LCD's over 720p (or 1024x1024) plasmas. It all boils down to preference really though, so please no flaming from plasma fanboys :P

I have that exact same model of the the Samsung Plasma

Although it says it's 720p it can accept a 1080p signal

The signal gets downscaled of course but if you sit close enough you can notice the difference between 720p and 1080p

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#16 omnimodis78
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LG - 47" ****/ 1080p / 120Hz / LCD HDTV

Samsung - 50" ****/ 720p / 600Hz / Plasma HDTV

which is better

alphaqup03
600Hz is a total joke! Even 240Hz is still a little too much and there are noticeable "issues" with the video quality (if you don't believe this just go to your local Bestbuy and check out a demo), 60Hz is good, but I admit that 120Hz is amazing!
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#17 rastan
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120Hz/240Hz is only applicable to LCD. It is a technology designed to eliminate the motion lag and judder associated with LCD technology. However it creates a "soap opera" effect in smoothing out the lag. Plasma doesn't need 120/240 Hz tech as it doesn't have the same motion lag/jitter problems. Plasma did come out with the 600 Hz spec to counter the notion that you "need 120/240Hz" even though that spec has nothing to do with the 120/240Hz tech.
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#18 Rusteater
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120Hz/240Hz is only applicable to LCD. It is a technology designed to eliminate the motion lag and judder associated with LCD technology. However it creates a "soap opera" effect in smoothing out the lag. Plasma doesn't need 120/240 Hz tech as it doesn't have the same motion lag/jitter problems. Plasma did come out with the 600 Hz spec to counter the notion that you "need 120/240Hz" even though that spec has nothing to do with the 120/240Hz tech. rastan

Nope, the 120Hz DOES NOT create the soap opera effect.

It's the AMP or Motionflow tech that does that.

120Hz eliminates judder by providing an even 5:5 pulldown vs 60hz screens that have an uneven 3:2 pulldown.

I am somewhat of a movie nut and I have owned a 120Hz set for 2 years. Movies still look like movies, not soap operas. If 120Hz sets made movies look like soap operas, I would have never bought one.

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#19 jd7-03
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I probably spent about a week comparing different LCD's, Plasma's, and LED's. Please go to the AVS forums for some excellent advice, many of the members really know their stuff when it comes to TV's. I ended up getting a Panasonic TC-P42S1 plasma (42") and wow is it really nice. Yes I was worried about burn in but that just's from hearing about it five years ago, technology for plasma TV's have improved greatly and both Samsung and Panasonic plasma's come with pixel shifting features to avoid burn in. I'm using my new plasma for PC gaming and it's wonderful, the black levels on this TV set are incredible. I played the first few minutes of The Dark Knight on Blu Ray and was blown away. Another factor was price of course, Best Buy had the set on sale last week for $800 and you got a Panasonic Blu Ray player for free, couldn't pass it up. Both the Panasonic and Samsung plasma's are really nice, I went with Panasonic after reading over at AVS that the company tends to make the best plasma displays.

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#20 monson21502
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they are already making 240hz lcd tvs. so i guess that 120hz wasnt very good. i would just wait about 5 more years until hd is cheaper and has a clear winner or something worth the cash is out

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#21 Makari
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they are already making 240hz lcd tvs. so i guess that 120hz wasnt very good. i would just wait about 5 more years until hd is cheaper and has a clear winner or something worth the cash is out

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it's probably my cynicism speaking, but it almost feels like they found something 'new' that people respond to and are running with it until they beat it into the ground and people stop caring. :D
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Plasma is just considered to be a non-energy saving and shorter life span technology but it is a better tv for gaming. due to overwhelming popularity of lcd, plasma are considered phasing out. try games on plasma you will be surprised.
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#23 Videodogg
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Plasma is just considered to be a non-energy saving and shorter life span technology but it is a better tv for gaming. due to overwhelming popularity of lcd, plasma are considered phasing out. try games on plasma you will be surprised.5Jedi5diah5
Plasmas are not phasing out. They are only getting better. The new panasonic and samsung thin panel plasma are very energy effiecient and long life spans. They are also much cheaper than those new LED sets and provide excellent picture quality with no worries about lag, refresh rates, ghosting, etc.
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#24 snowren24
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Yeah any new Samsung of Panasonic plasma is going to have at least a 100,000 viewing hour lifetime. thats 11.8 years of the TV being on constantly. You're going to get a new TV, or something else on the TV will break before the plasma fails.

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#25 rastan
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Plasma's also continually get better reviews than LCD's in the professional Home Theater magazines.