1080p pc monitors, let's clarify this once and for all!!!!

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#1 iceberg_shorty
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http://www.samsung.com/Products/Monitor/LCD_Digital/LS24BRBABXAA.asp

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/11/09/gateway_1080p_lcd/

http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php?masterid=20885367

Sure they are cheap, but are they capable of displaying true HD(1080p) when gaming and watching blu ray/hd-dvd movies?  Many have argued that with such a small screen size the monitors aren't capable of displaying true 1080p, but just upconverts 720p a little.  Others say that you won't be able to notice a difference between 1080p and 720p due to the screen size.  Can somebody who actually owns a pc monitor that is capable of 1080p resolution and uses it for HD gaming and movies clarify this, or just give a quick review of your monitor.  Hell posting a few pics of it playing an HD movie, or game would be most appreciated as well.

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http://www.samsung.com/Products/Monitor/LCD_Digital/LS24BRBABXAA.asp

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/11/09/gateway_1080p_lcd/

http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php?masterid=20885367

Sure they are cheap, but are they capable of displaying true HD(1080p) when gaming and watching blu ray/hd-dvd movies?  Many have argued that with such a small screen size the monitors aren't capable of displaying true 1080p, but just upconverts 720p a little.  Others say that you won't be able to notice a difference between 1080p and 720p due to the screen size.  Can somebody who actually owns a pc monitor that is capable of 1080p resolution and uses it for HD gaming and movies clarify this, or just give a quick review of your monitor.  Hell posting a few pics of it playing an HD movie, or game would be most appreciated as well.

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...how would you see a picture of something high def on a non-highdef monitor.
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Yes, these 1080p capable monitors will display every single pixel of the 1080p image. They do give you a true 1080p image. Some people say you can't enjoy 1080p on such a small screen, but the thing is that with monitors, you tend to sit about 2ft away from the screen. A 24" 1080p capable monitor at 2ft away will give you a bigger image than a 37" or 42" HDTV that's 6-8ft away. My opinion is that the monitor will definitely give you a 1080p experience, but it probably won't work well if you want to sit back far away or have lots of friends over watching something in HD.

Also remember that widescreen monitors are in 16:10 aspect, so if you want to experience 1080p HD, it's better to find a monitor that's capable of 1:1 pixel mapping to ensure your image isn't stretched to 16:10 from 16:9.
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you'll notice a difference because of how close you'll be sitting ot the monitor people say that you need a big screen tv to see the difference but that's because with a TV you generally sit 5x the distance away from one that you would a computer monitor
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Sure they are cheap, but are they capable of displaying true HD(1080p) when gaming and watching blu ray/hd-dvd movies?iceberg_shorty
Yeah... if a monitor supports 1080p (i.e. has a resolution above 1920x1080), and the source outputs 1080p, then it'll display a 1080p image.
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[QUOTE="iceberg_shorty"]Sure they are cheap, but are they capable of displaying true HD(1080p) when gaming and watching blu ray/hd-dvd movies?Funkyhamster
Yeah... if a monitor supports 1080p (i.e. has a resolution above 1920x1080), and the source outputs 1080p, then it'll display a 1080p image.



Actually, it depends on if the monitor allows a particular input to display 1080p. There're 24" monitors out there with resolution above 1920x1080 that does not support 1080p and only 1080i.
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[QUOTE="Funkyhamster"][QUOTE="iceberg_shorty"]Sure they are cheap, but are they capable of displaying true HD(1080p) when gaming and watching blu ray/hd-dvd movies?dmanrevived
Yeah... if a monitor supports 1080p (i.e. has a resolution above 1920x1080), and the source outputs 1080p, then it'll display a 1080p image.



Actually, it depends on if the monitor allows a particular input to display 1080p. There're 24" monitors out there with resolution above 1920x1080 that does not support 1080p and only 1080i.

In this case wouldn't that be the HDCP and VGA inputs on the monitors I listed above? 

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[QUOTE="dmanrevived"][QUOTE="Funkyhamster"][QUOTE="iceberg_shorty"]Sure they are cheap, but are they capable of displaying true HD(1080p) when gaming and watching blu ray/hd-dvd movies?iceberg_shorty

Yeah... if a monitor supports 1080p (i.e. has a resolution above 1920x1080), and the source outputs 1080p, then it'll display a 1080p image.



Actually, it depends on if the monitor allows a particular input to display 1080p. There're 24" monitors out there with resolution above 1920x1080 that does not support 1080p and only 1080i.

In this case wouldn't that be the HDCP and VGA inputs on the monitors I listed above?



VGA isn't not a good choice for HDTV, since it's still an analog signal and often looks too washed out, so hdmi/dvi is preferred and not all monitors accept 1080p over those inputs. For example, the Dell 2407 doesn't accept 1080p. I don't know much about the Samsung 244T, but the Gateway is a fairly good monitor.
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VGA isn't not a good choice for HDTV, since it's still an analog signal and often looks too washed out, so hdmi/dvi is preferred and not all monitors accept 1080p over those inputs. For example, the Dell 2407 doesn't accept 1080p. I don't know much about the Samsung 244T, but the Gateway is a fairly good monitor.
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Why doesn't the Dell 2407 accept 1080p, it says it has an HDCP input and supports 1900 x 1600(1080p)!

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[QUOTE="dmanrevived"]VGA isn't not a good choice for HDTV, since it's still an analog signal and often looks too washed out, so hdmi/dvi is preferred and not all monitors accept 1080p over those inputs. For example, the Dell 2407 doesn't accept 1080p. I don't know much about the Samsung 244T, but the Gateway is a fairly good monitor.
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Why doesn't the Dell 2407 accept 1080p, it says it has an HDCP input and supports 1900 x 1600(1080p)!

Yeah, I'm not really sure on how it works technically. I just know that even if a monitor has high enough resolution, it might not accept "raw" 1080p signals. It only accepts up to 1080i.

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[QUOTE="iceberg_shorty"]

http://www.samsung.com/Products/Monitor/LCD_Digital/LS24BRBABXAA.asp

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/11/09/gateway_1080p_lcd/

http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php?masterid=20885367

Sure they are cheap, but are they capable of displaying true HD(1080p) when gaming and watching blu ray/hd-dvd movies?  Many have argued that with such a small screen size the monitors aren't capable of displaying true 1080p, but just upconverts 720p a little.  Others say that you won't be able to notice a difference between 1080p and 720p due to the screen size.  Can somebody who actually owns a pc monitor that is capable of 1080p resolution and uses it for HD gaming and movies clarify this, or just give a quick review of your monitor.  Hell posting a few pics of it playing an HD movie, or game would be most appreciated as well.

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...how would you see a picture of something high def on a non-highdef monitor.

  Monitors are capable of displaying higher than 1080p (most of them eny ways) by this i mean like monitors can do 1280x1024. the thing is i dont remember if its the first number or the second one they use to determin the high def  number like 1080 or 768.

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[QUOTE="blazethe1"][QUOTE="iceberg_shorty"]

http://www.samsung.com/Products/Monitor/LCD_Digital/LS24BRBABXAA.asp

http://www.tgdaily.com/2006/11/09/gateway_1080p_lcd/

http://www.pricegrabber.com/search_getprod.php?masterid=20885367

Sure they are cheap, but are they capable of displaying true HD(1080p) when gaming and watching blu ray/hd-dvd movies? Many have argued that with such a small screen size the monitors aren't capable of displaying true 1080p, but just upconverts 720p a little. Others say that you won't be able to notice a difference between 1080p and 720p due to the screen size. Can somebody who actually owns a pc monitor that is capable of 1080p resolution and uses it for HD gaming and movies clarify this, or just give a quick review of your monitor. Hell posting a few pics of it playing an HD movie, or game would be most appreciated as well.

hofuldig

...how would you see a picture of something high def on a non-highdef monitor.

Monitors are capable of displaying higher than 1080p (most of them eny ways) by this i mean like monitors can do 1280x1024. the thing is i dont remember if its the first number or the second one they use to determin the high def number like 1080 or 768.



Yes, monitors with at least 1920x1080 resolution can technically display 1080p's resolution, but whether they will accept a 1080p signal from a digital input that's usually used for HD signals is a different story. If the monitor can't accept the 1080p signal, then the only 1080p image you'll get out of the moniter is the analog signal you get from VGA.
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Actually, it depends on if the monitor allows a particular input to display 1080p. There're 24" monitors out there with resolution above 1920x1080 that does not support 1080p and only 1080i.

That's only if it has component inputs. Monitors are inherently progressive. It will only ACCEPT 1080i from those, but is perfectly capable of 1080p via VGA

VGA isn't not a good choice for HDTV, since it's still an analog signal and often looks too washed out, so hdmi/dvi is preferred and not all monitors accept 1080p over those inputs. For example, the Dell 2407 doesn't accept 1080p. I don't know much about the Samsung 244T, but the Gateway is a fairly good monitor.

Analog has nothing to do with it. VGA is capable of higher than 1080p just fine. It's all about the settings on the VGA port that the manufacturer ahs set, and correctly calibrating your monitor. I have a 21" CRT that will do 2048x1536 (well more than 1080p)@160Hz. It's noticeable, believe me
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[QUOTE="Kodai_kun"]

Actually, it depends on if the monitor allows a particular input to display 1080p. There're 24" monitors out there with resolution above 1920x1080 that does not support 1080p and only 1080i.

That's only if it has component inputs. Monitors are inherently progressive. It will only ACCEPT 1080i from those, but is perfectly capable of 1080p via VGA

VGA isn't not a good choice for HDTV, since it's still an analog signal and often looks too washed out, so hdmi/dvi is preferred and not all monitors accept 1080p over those inputs. For example, the Dell 2407 doesn't accept 1080p. I don't know much about the Samsung 244T, but the Gateway is a fairly good monitor.

Analog has nothing to do with it. VGA is capable of higher than 1080p just fine. It's all about the settings on the VGA port that the manufacturer ahs set, and correctly calibrating your monitor. I have a 21" CRT that will do 2048x1536 (well more than 1080p)@160Hz. It's noticeable, believe me


Most monitors through vga will look inferior compared to dvi/component no matter how you calibrate it. There are monitors with component inputs that do accept 1080p.
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What kodai_kun says is correct. While there are 1080p HDTVs out there that cannot accept a 1080p signal over any input, computer monitors that are 1920x1080 or higher will always take that quality signal over their computer inputs (VGA and DVI). The Dell 2407FPW was mentioned earlier as an example of a monitor that cannot take a 1080p signal, but this is only true of its component input. It -can- take a 1920x1080 VGA signal (progressive by default), and in fact this is how I run my Xbox 360.

Also while DVI/HDMI will always be the preferred signal medium since they are digital, VGA is perfectly fine. The washed out color that occurs on some HDTVs is the fault of the display's ability to support VGA and not VGA itself.

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