Zen+ 12nm coming february 2018

Yep amd is set to launch zen + in feb 2018 according to techpower up and digitimes. the high end cpu's will launch in feb, followed by the mid range and entry level in march so the x470 and b450 mobo should be available soon.

hopefully amd will not follow intel and force gamers to buy the new mobo's for zen +, although if the zen + can take on coffee lake on the new mobo's then its def gonna be interesting choice.

now if they can just make a good gpu to challenge nvidia.

Won't need a new mobo. AM4 is supposed to be supported until 2020 or so.

Curious to see if the refresh is going to just be higher clock speeds or if its going to be faster clock for clock as well.

New motherboard could have better support for memory modules which is inline with Threadripper's memory module support improvements.

Hopefully it overclocks better, even if the IPC doesn't change.

@xboxiphoneps3: yeah, but hard to say if AMD left any OC headroom over and above stock speeds.

Decent improvement, I'm more interested in seeing if they can get close to 5 Ghz on their 6 core variants. I think those will be the best all around gaming CPUs.

For the record, I'd love to see AMD actually pull ahead of Intel, I just don't see it happening.

https://www.globalfoundries.com/news-events/press-releases/globalfoundries-introduces-new-12nm-finfet-technology-for-high-performance-applications

The new 12LP technology provides as much as a 15 percent improvement in circuit density and more than a 10 percent improvement in performance over 16/14nm FinFET solutions on the market today. This positions 12LP to be fully competitive with other 12nm FinFET foundry offerings. The technology leverages GF's expertise at Fab 8 in Saratoga County, N.Y., where its 14nm FinFET platform has been in high-volume production since early 2016

10 percent speed upgrade from 4.1 Ghz would yield ~4.51 Ghz

10 percent speed upgrade from 4.2 Ghz would yield ~4.62 Ghz

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For Vega 64L's 1.677 Ghz, 10 percent speed upgrade from 1.677 Ghz would yield ~1.85 Ghz

@ronvalencia: as long as it has lots of features and is a great improvement over the 370 ans 350 in terms of vrm's, memory etc, then it would be worth it. if not then its a cash grab

One of the biggest pros of buying AMD CPU's.

It might be the deciding factor on me upgrading to Ryzen now.

It's a hit and miss for me. If I were to get Ryzen now, I would want one with 2 or maybe 3 M.2 slots. USB-C ports and several USB-3 ports. Some USB-2 ports as well unless I see an adapter somewhere (for internal IO). The boards might be very outdated once 2020 comes around.

Very true, I go back an forth. I have a week to decide, don't think i'm going to go coffee lake as those will be sold out for some time I feel.

If this translate to threadripper as well , I might buy an updated 1920X if they release one.

@horgen: Will be nice if true, but this is a relatively early press release statement, which as we all know can very well end up being complete BS.

Or only get a 10% improvement in one particular area. So many ways they can spin this.

The same architecture won't be magically improved by changing the process a little. They need to tweak the architecture as well. I have fairly good single core performance today by running a 6600K at 4.7. I think current Ryzen needs 5 or 5.1GHz to reach the same single core performance. I do not want to give up on single core performance in order to get better multi threaded performance. Today my choices are 8600K, 8700K or 7900X (and above) from Intel to match or improve that. Given that I can OC them high enough. If the all around improvements are good enough, I guess I can sacrifice some single core performance. I want to support AMD some to help them improve against Intel, and I like the 1920X and 1950X by them.

@xboxiphoneps3: Again, this is based off of a press release. Hence anything you just said is at best, a semi-educated guess, and in no way guaranteed.

I can think of plenty of times where intel and amd have gone to a smaller manufacturing process and not yielded much, if any improved overclock headroom over the predecessor.

@horgen: early benchmarks are looking pretty good for the 8600K/ 8700K. Definitely better than the joke of a cpu which is the 7800x.

@xboxiphoneps3: Where is your source indicating that Ryzen was designed for smartphones and SOCs?

I'm not asking you to be a tool btw, I just haven't heard anything indicating that the type of manufacturing process Ryzen currently uses is geared towards smart phones. I've hunted around a bit on the net, and can't really find anything confirming this either.

Isn't the chip itself to big to be manufactured with these processes?

@Nick3306: Just because you can still use a z370 board doesn't mean you have too.

Was was there 20 + 4 pciexpress lanes for Ryzen? Maybe chipset won't hook up with 8 but maybe some processors will be able to do both version 3 and 4?

Everything on the chipset could be upgraded I suppose.

Intel is gonna have to rush their releases.

I wouldn't be surprised if this is true. Zen refresh is rumored for a 7 to 10% increase in both IPC and clockrate.

8 Core Ryzen refresh at 4.4ghz with improved IPC rate for $300 sounds terrifying. Even a 4.3-4.5ghz 6 core ryzen for around $200 is incredible bang for your buck