Your closest encounter with death?

So how did this turn into a debate?jim_shorts

[QUOTE="jim_shorts"]So how did this turn into a debate?LJS9502_basic

So how did this turn into a debate?jim_shorts

kdizzle815 believes that his escaping unscathed from a drive-by is due to divine providence, something that Karayan disagreed with, and it escalated from there. See? I can be helpful too...

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"]Then you acknowledge that even the lives of the most devote Christians can be cut short?kdizzle815

This may shock and surprise you but everyone dies. Christians don't believe it's the end however.

[QUOTE="Articuno76"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Articuno76"]Your just arguing in circles, just like you say there is no solid way to tell people how to live their lives there is no solid way to do the converse either. It's not up to me to produce anything here, if it says you can't you can't, if it says nothing....you can...right? Your trying to argue a lack of a freedom, something that you need to produce evidence for, I'm arguing of a freedom, something that exist purely because there is no evidence that says you don't have that freedom, and by deduction therefore, you have it.LJS9502_basic

No...I'm not arguing in circles. I made a clear statement. You disagreed. I asked proof. You are now trying to win by confusing the issue. It's simple really. No one has the right to tell another how to live. Period. Where is this right from?

You are arguing against freedom. I have the right as an adult to live my life how I choose as long as I don't break laws of my community. This does not give another individual the right to tell me how to live my life. Again, where is your proof that your freedom is curtailed by you not sticking your nose into my life?

Rights are granted by the government. In the US free speech is to allow you to speak out against the government without fear of reprisal. You implied you had a right to tell individuals how to live their life. I can go back and quote it for you...if you've forgotten. That is not your right and it makes your arrogant to think so..

The government gives me that right to live my own life. As I said as long as I don't break the law....I can do as I wish. You have no business interferring.

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="kdizzle815"] Thats one way of looking at it. But I honestly believe that it was divine interventionLJS9502_basic

It's not your place to tell him how to live his life.....

Nope.....

Ok, maybe not a right,  but it's not against someones rights either: How is telling people how to live their lives a) infringing on someone else rights? (it's not) b) breaking a law (it's not). I don't want to get into the definition of rights, but I have the x to speak you how to live (see how retarded this sentence is getting?). You are very selective in what you answer...I'll give you that. You never concede a point, but simply ignore the ones that most people would concede...which is odd. Notice I did concede earlier in this post and abandoned that line of argument (tbh I have no idea what you are talking about when you use the word 'right'). I don't have the right maybe but I have the 'x' to tell/speak you...what is x? The option? Choice?Articuno76

Dude....I don't know what this post says.:|  I argue only the point that is germane to the discussion.  I never argue points that are brought in that don't belong in said discussion.  Too many posters here throw out ideas that are not served by the original statement.  Then they get bogged down in several different discussions at once.

Now, this argument dealt with posters (notjust you) stating they had a right to tell others how to live.  They do not....and thinking it's their place to do so is arrogance.  Now, giving solicited advice is fine....and making a suggestion (if done properly) is fine.  However, it is not a right.

I'm rather disappointed that you don't understand the difference.....

[QUOTE="Articuno76"]Ok, maybe not a right, but it's not against someones rights either: How is telling people how to live their lives a) infringing on someone else rights? (it's not) b) breaking a law (it's not). I don't want to get into the definition of rights, but I have the x to speak you how to live (see how retarded this sentence is getting?). You are very selective in what you answer...I'll give you that. You never concede a point, but simply ignore the ones that most people would concede...which is odd. Notice I did concede earlier in this post and abandoned that line of argument (tbh I have no idea what you are talking about when you use the word 'right'). I don't have the right maybe but I have the 'x' to tell/speak you...what is x? The option? Choice?LJS9502_basic

Dude....I don't know what this post says.:| I argue only the point that is germane to the discussion. I never argue points that are brought in that don't belong in said discussion. Too many posters here throw out ideas that are not served by the original statement. Then they get bogged down in several different discussions at once.

Now, this argument dealt with posters (notjustyou) stating they had a right to tell others how to live. They do not....and thinking it's their place to do so is arrogance. Now, giving solicited advice is fine....and making a suggestion (if done properly) is fine. However, it is not a right.

I'm rather disappointed that you don't understand the difference.....

 Both of those things fall under some of the definitions of 'tell'. And I already admitted it's not a right, but it's...something....that they are allowed to do, I dunno what to call it though. Most people call it a right, maybe not in a literal sense, but they say that because no one can tell them they aren't allowed to, my terminology isn't broad enough to find a label for what this is, but maybe yours is. I thoroughly admitted I saw the difference and moved onto something else, why did you not see that? I did it quite clearly in the first line you just quoted?! I said it's not a right, sheesh. I'm rather disappointed that you choose to ignore that and also disappointed that you are using such a strict definition of tell rather than being open to all the possibilities.Articuno76

:lol:  If you want to believe that (though it isn't true).....as for your last post....as I stated.....

Dude....I don't know what this post says.:|

Other than the first line it made no sense.

Right does not equal tell.  Definitions for the win.

[QUOTE="-Karayan-"][QUOTE="kdizzle815"]Third incident. Got shot at. A guy thought that I was somebody else. Him missing all those shots in my opinion is an act of God. I wanted to hunt him down but my rational/spiritual side said leave it to God. Folks like that always get whats coming to themkdizzle815

:lol: If you want to believe that (though it isn't true).....as for your last post....as I stated.....

Dude....I don't know what this post says.:|

Other than the first line it made no sense.

Right does not equal tell. Definitions for the win.

LJS9502_basic

[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]

Your understanding?

Articuno76

[QUOTE="Articuno76"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Articuno76"]Your just arguing in circles, just like you say there is no solid way to tell people how to live their lives there is no solid way to do the converse either. It's not up to me to produce anything here, if it says you can't you can't, if it says nothing....you can...right? Your trying to argue a lack of a freedom, something that you need to produce evidence for, I'm arguing of a freedom, something that exist purely because there is no evidence that says you don't have that freedom, and by deduction therefore, you have it.LJS9502_basic

No...I'm not arguing in circles. I made a clear statement. You disagreed. I asked proof. You are now trying to win by confusing the issue. It's simple really. No one has the right to tell another how to live. Period. Where is this right from?

You are arguing against freedom. I have the right as an adult to live my life how I choose as long as I don't break laws of my community. This does not give another individual the right to tell me how to live my life. Again, where is your proof that your freedom is curtailed by you not sticking your nose into my life?

Rights are granted by the government. In the US free speech is to allow you to speak out against the government without fear of reprisal. You implied you had a right to tell individuals how to live their life. I can go back and quote it for you...if you've forgotten. That is not your right and it makes your arrogant to think so..

The government gives me that right to live my own life. As I said as long as I don't break the law....I can do as I wish. You have no business interferring.

l'm gonna argue this with FACTS not OPINIONS, so neither of you can rebut anything:

Legally speaking, yes it is. For example, if he made a TV ad ordering everyone watching to live their lives in such and such ways, and as long as none of them require the viewers to break the law, he wouldn't be arrested nor will the ad be banned. That's a FACT.

But l think you're referring to our morality factor. You're sure as hell not making it clear though... but l suppose you're right, that as adults we have no right telling people how to live, in moral terms. That, however, is an OPINION. Just because we both share this opinion, it doesn't mean everyone else applies it on themselves. That doesn't mean people can't tell you what to do, some people like to think that they can, and some may even provide very helpful suggestions. Nonetheless, as an adult even if l'm doing something wrong or disliked (not legally wrong) and someone was to advice me to stop doing it... l wouldn't go sue him if l didn't like what he says. l'd never get a cent out of him, since he would never had broken any laws. l could, however, just ignore it. People CAN ignore other people's advice, you know...

You 2 just can't communicate. Articuno continuously fails to express himself clearly and LJS9 sounds a bit drunk :? now l hope l showed that Articuno is arguing in terms of our factual legal rights given by the government and LJS9 is arguing from a moral perspective. Just a misunderstanding as far as l'm concerned...

Mine is when i was cleaning a ceiling fan,and someone turned on the power of the ceiling fan next to me,it nearly hit my neck but i moved away in time.Another time is when i was in a really crowded town,it was really flooding with people,you have to squeeze to get through and there was a moment where i got lost and had difficulty breathing,i got out later unharmed though,as my father somehow found me,but my wallet was gone.

Thats about the closest thing to death i have encountered.Nothing spectacular.So whats yours?

Zerocrossings

1. This first close encounter with death was in pre-k. The pre-k teacher lived near a pond and one day she decided to take all of us down there for a day of fun. When we got to the pond, we started throwing rocks into the water as little kids often do. After some time, my best friend (who is still a friend of mine today) came up with the brilliant idea to try and throw a really big rock over my head and into the pond. I probably don't need to explain further...but I will anyways. Oblivious to the obvious danger I was putting myself in, I positioned myself in front of the water, facing my friend, who was holding a rock almost to heavy to carry. When he threw the rock, I watched, like an idiot, as the damn thing slammed into the top of my head. I've never seen so much blood in my life. My head was like a sickening red geiser. I passed out pretty soon after the impact. I had to be taken to the hospital and I got a few stitches. Since the rock hit me on the top of my head, any scarring that I might have is hidden by my hair.

2. My second brush with death was only a few years later. I was now in fourth or fifth grade. One night, at my friend's house (same one as in the last story), we decided to take a walk around the block. After one or two circles around the small block, we came back to my friend's neighbor's house. Seeing as we were incredibly stupid, we decided to throw rocks at his window for absolutely no reason whatsoever. After smashing one window in, we heard the cry of a ferocious canine. We were so startled and terrified that we couldn't move. In a few seconds, a giant doberman jumped out of the window we had just destroyed. He chased us around the block a few times and for some reason it didn't occur to us to just run to my friend's house. Eventually, however, we did realize that that would be our easiest escape, so we ran to the house and jumped through the door before the dog could maul us. We got in so much trouble.
bupp

Birth lol

Enflamed Heart, undeveloped throat and windpipe, and something else that i can't currently remember.

The weird thing is that brain turned out good. Usually with births like that child is mentally retarted.