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#1 govermentcheese
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W.W.E. is a sport first then entertainment. For those of you who say it is fake tell that to Owen Hart who was killed durning a match. Wrestling is choreographed but it is a real sport and is very very very very dangerous. Anyway I am a wrestling fan forever. Here are some of the great ones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKDj_E0QLNshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiuCouxGn8I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac4zPNM09I0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_y3OOQniDU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BXFVvUGkDw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTKSFfnEpr8

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#2 one_plum
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Match fixing and sports shouldn't be put in the same category. It's entertainment.

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Remind me, what does the E stand for?
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#4 govermentcheese
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As stone cold said Wrestling is real Thats the bottom line because Stone Cold SAYZ SO.

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#5 nomsayin
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WWE, TNA, and all organizations similar are not sports.

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#6 Pirate700
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It's both. The results are fixed but but it's extremely athletic.

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#7 Zuzuvela
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Sport doesnt have scripted results and written storylines for its athletes Its not a sport, someones tragic death doesnt make it one
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#8 deactivated-5b78379493e12
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It's a greasy, sweaty, oily soap opera for dudes.

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#9 Oleg_Huzwog
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The NBA has scripted results and people don't question it being a sport.

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#10 worlock77
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It's entertainment, not sport. Yes, it's athletic, but that does not make it a sport.

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#11 Chaos_HL21
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It is sports entertainment not a sport, it is pretty much stage work.


Entertainment (mainly stunt work) can be a very dangerous job, Brandon Lee died while fliming The Crow, a stuntman was killed while they wer fliming The Expendables 2. Those movies are not real.

Not taking anything away from the superstars I went to afew NXT live shows in the small NXT Arena in Tampa, and they earn their pay check. But I would not call it sports

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#12 ThaneKrios28
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i will leave this here................

 

 

nash himself stated its entertainment wich it has always been

 

 

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#13 coolbeans90
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i doubt that it is coincidence that metaldoggear and governmentcheese made threads within three minutes of each other.

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Remind me, what does the E stand for?wolverine4262
Well, this was fun.
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#15 JML897
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"Sports entertainment" is a good way to put it. It's entertainment that pretends it's a real sport for show.
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#16 nomsayin
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The NBA has scripted results and people don't question it being a sport.

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What makes you think that?
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#17 ThaneKrios28
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"Sports entertainment" is a good way to put it. It's entertainment that pretends it's a real sport for show. JML897
yes its entertainment but the anti pro wrestling crowd who cry fake left and right have zero clue on how much abuse these guys take let alone how to even package a gimmick its not easy as people think
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#18 worlock77
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For those of you who say it is fake tell that to Owen Hart who was killed durning a match. govermentcheese

Extremely stupid example. Owen Hart was not killed during a match and he was not killed while wrestling. He was killed before a match in a botched stunt that had nothing to do with wrestling at all. A better example to use would be Darren Drozdov, who was paralyzed during a match.

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#19 worlock77
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i will leave this here................

 

 

nash himself stated its entertainment wich it has always been

 

 

ThaneKrios28

Nevermind him, Vince McMahon has been saying that it's entertainment, not sport, for 30 years.

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W.W.E. is a sport first then entertainment. For those of you who say it is fake tell that to Owen Hart who was killed durning a match. Wrestling is choreographed but it is a real sport and is very very very very dangerous. Anyway I am a wrestling fan forever. Here are some of the great ones.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKDj_E0QLNshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OiuCouxGn8I

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ac4zPNM09I0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_y3OOQniDU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BXFVvUGkDw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTKSFfnEpr8

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dude owen fell 90 feet to his death dumbass also eddie died of natural causes from years of past drug abuse
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#21 ThaneKrios28
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[QUOTE="ThaneKrios28"]

i will leave this here................

 

 

nash himself stated its entertainment wich it has always been

 

 

worlock77

Nevermind him, Vince McMahon has been saying that it's entertainment, not sport, for 30 years.

yep also this

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Roland Barthes argues it's an art, not a sport, with regard to professional wrestling, which is what I'm sure you meant. See The World Of Wrestling - Roland Barthes If you're interested in this argument I suggest you read this, it's a short easy read. Personally, I feel that wrestling is one of those things people love to knock on because they know it's fake, like when children are easy to denounce Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, when they get the hint it doesn't exist. People behave like children when they learn that professional wrestling isn't real, except most people stopped being declarative when they grow older, but people persist to bash professional wrestling. I don't love it, but it's a performance art, and I don't think of it as any less of an art as any other kind of performance art.
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#23 cain006
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Being a wrestler definitely requires skill and strength but it's not a sport.

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#24 branketra
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World Wrestling Entertainment and similars shows are entertainment shows. The fact former sport wrestlers like Kurt Angle and Shelton Benjamin have starred in them does not change that truth.

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[QUOTE="lamprey263"]Roland Barthes argues it's an art, not a sport, with regard to professional wrestling, which is what I'm sure you meant. See The World Of Wrestling - Roland Barthes If you're interested in this argument I suggest you read this, it's a short easy read. Personally, I feel that wrestling is one of those things people love to knock on because they know it's fake, like when children are easy to denounce Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, when they get the hint it doesn't exist. People behave like children when they learn that professional wrestling isn't real, except most people stopped being declarative when they grow older, but people persist to bash professional wrestling. I don't love it, but it's a performance art, and I don't think of it as any less of an art as any other kind of performance art.

hhh said it best on the very first tough enough its telling a story with your body
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#26 mrbojangles25
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it is entertainment that incorporates aspects of athleticism.

but, no, it is not a sport.  A sport is where the victor wins because they are the best.

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#27 dissonantblack
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if you're talking about WWE, then yes. But other wrestling is a sport. 

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#29 ThaneKrios28
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if you're talking about WWE, then yes. But other wrestling is a sport. 

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just throwing it out there but kurt angle enough said if you dont know who he is look him up because he is a legit 96 gold medal winner for the olympics and joined pro wrestling and still wrestles
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Both. Most professional wrestlers are at the peak of their physical development, and perform stunts of incredible risk to themselves. They are also actors and can deliver scripted entertainment in a way that seems not-so-scripted.
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Both. Most professional wrestlers are at the peak of their physical development, and perform stunts of incredible risk to themselves. They are also actors and can deliver scripted entertainment in a way that seems not-so-scripted.foxhound_fox

yeah, their improv skills are surprisingly good.

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#32 worlock77
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Roland Barthes argues it's an art, not a sport, with regard to professional wrestling, which is what I'm sure you meant. See The World Of Wrestling - Roland Barthes If you're interested in this argument I suggest you read this, it's a short easy read. Personally, I feel that wrestling is one of those things people love to knock on because they know it's fake, like when children are easy to denounce Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy, when they get the hint it doesn't exist. People behave like children when they learn that professional wrestling isn't real, except most people stopped being declarative when they grow older, but people persist to bash professional wrestling. I don't love it, but it's a performance art, and I don't think of it as any less of an art as any other kind of performance art.lamprey263

Athletic theater is what I'd call it.

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Both. Most professional wrestlers are at the peak of their physical development, and perform stunts of incredible risk to themselves. They are also actors and can deliver scripted entertainment in a way that seems not-so-scripted.mrbojangles25

yeah, their improv skills are surprisingly good.

look up cm punk, dean ambrose, jake the snake roberts, chris jericho . they are some of the best mic workers in the buisness
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#34 foxhound_fox
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yeah, their improv skills are surprisingly good.mrbojangles25
While the match's outcome might be scripted, the moves they do during it certainly don't always go as planned/practiced.
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[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]yeah, their improv skills are surprisingly good.foxhound_fox
While the match's outcome might be scripted, the moves they do during it certainly don't always go as planned/practiced.

exactly, not to mention they do get hurt, and manage to continue to act while shrugging it off and put on a good show.

They really do respect the fans, at least in regards to the performance.

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[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"][QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]yeah, their improv skills are surprisingly good.mrbojangles25

While the match's outcome might be scripted, the moves they do during it certainly don't always go as planned/practiced.

exactly, not to mention they do get hurt, and manage to continue to act while shrugging it off and put on a good show.

They really do respect the fans, at least in regards to the performance.

john cena gets alot of hate and i admit im not big on his charachter either ( i still prefer the vanilla ice gimmick he had) but i met him last year and he really was a down to earth guy. i read a disgusting thing that back before wrestlemania this year people booed him in a make a wish video..... im sorry but if you dont like the guy fine but to boo a make a wish video in wich he granted 300 wishes aint cool in my book
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[QUOTE="mrbojangles25"]exactly, not to mention they do get hurt, and manage to continue to act while shrugging it off and put on a good show. They really do respect the fans, at least in regards to the performance.

I think a big reason why people criticize it is because they go in thinking it's real, only to find out it isn't. I started watching WWF back when I was like 3, in the late '80's, and watched intermittently from then on every few years. I never thought it was real, I just loved how fun it was to watch. Like, the CM Punk/Undertaker match from WM29 was absolutely brilliant. When Taker sat up during that submission and starred Punk in the eyes? I sh!t a brick.
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The definition of a sport is to sweat. Hence forth wrestling is a sport.I forgive some earlier posters of this topic who started calling me name. I can tell your young. A young and inexperienced person go with the young and simple minded tactic of name calling because they do no posses the skill and maturity to have a good debate or opinion . Any way as I stated before Owen Hart passed away because of wrestling.. Anyway either your a fan or you are not . I will allways believe W.W.E. Wrestling is a sport.. As defined earlier sport = sweat.. Everybody have a good night and be safe posting..Cause STONE COLD SAYS SO..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPkQqMeV38Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXaV_JJd_Ww

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The definition of a sport is to sweat. Hence forth wrestling is a sport.I forgive some earlier posters of this topic who started calling me name. I can tell your young. A young and inexperienced person go with the young and simple minded tactic of name calling because they do no posses the skill and maturity to have a good debate or opinion . Any way as I stated before Owen Hart passed away because of wrestling.. Anyway either your a fan or you are not . I will allways believe W.W.E. Wrestling is a sport.. As defined earlier sport = sweat.. Everybody have a good night and be safe posting..Cause STONE COLD SAYS SO..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPkQqMeV38Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXaV_JJd_Ww

govermentcheese

The definition of a sport is to sweat. Hence forth wrestling is a sport.I forgive some earlier posters of this topic who started calling me name. I can tell your young. A young and inexperienced person go with the young and simple minded tactic of name calling because they do no posses the skill and maturity to have a good debate or opinion . Any way as I stated before Owen Hart passed away because of wrestling.. Anyway either your a fan or you are not . I will allways believe W.W.E. Wrestling is a sport.. As defined earlier sport = sweat.. Everybody have a good night and be safe posting..Cause STONE COLD SAYS SO..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OPkQqMeV38Q

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RXaV_JJd_Ww

govermentcheese
hey jackass im 28 and have been watching wrestling since 1986 what does that tell you genius? the fact that you claimed owen died wrestling go's to show you have zero clue on what in the hell you are talking about ps. austin is retired get over it with the thats the bottom line quote
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Entertainment, though the wrestlers are certainly leaps and bounds more athletic than most sports players.

I think a big reason why people criticize it is because they go in thinking it's real, only to find out it isn't. I started watching WWF back when I was like 3, in the late '80's, and watched intermittently from then on every few years. I never thought it was real, I just loved how fun it was to watch. Like, the CM Punk/Undertaker match from WM29 was absolutely brilliant. When Taker sat up during that submission and starred Punk in the eyes? I sh!t a brick.foxhound_fox

wrestlemania-29-results-7_display_image.

Yeah, that match saved a sh*t PPV. Also glad they realized no one would believe the streak would end by a GTS, so rather than resorting to kick-out spam à la Cena vs Rock they went with something symbolic to make you think the streak is over by Punk hitting Taker with that urn.

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Entertainment, though the wrestlers are certainly leaps and bounds more athletic than most sports players.

[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"] I think a big reason why people criticize it is because they go in thinking it's real, only to find out it isn't. I started watching WWF back when I was like 3, in the late '80's, and watched intermittently from then on every few years. I never thought it was real, I just loved how fun it was to watch. Like, the CM Punk/Undertaker match from WM29 was absolutely brilliant. When Taker sat up during that submission and starred Punk in the eyes? I sh!t a brick.Slashless

wrestlemania-29-results-7_display_image.

Yeah, that match saved a sh*t PPV. Also glad they realized no one would believe the streak would end by a GTS, so rather than resorting to kick-out spam à la Cena vs Rock they went with something symbolic to make you think the streak is over by Punk hitting Taker with that urn.

um the taker vs punk match was the only good thing mania had lol rock vs cena 2 was lame hhh vs brock was done enough
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This proves my point wrrestling is real. Just like professional football.. Football and drugs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQKxugED1bQ

Owen Harts tribute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6XuDmx1gzE

If you dont have anything good to say about OWEN HART keep it to youself show some class.

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This proves my point wrrestling is real. Just like professional football.. Football and drugs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQKxugED1bQ

Owen Harts tribute.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6XuDmx1gzE

If you dont have anything good to say about OWEN HART keep it to youself show some class.

govermentcheese
..... . quit disgracing owen man your an idiot.
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I forgive you.. I am a idiot..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iqFO-Udq6s

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there coming

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnSnfiUI54

This says it all...

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Entertainment, I think the fact that people go by a script explains that...
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#49 govermentcheese
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Everything has a script.I do not understand your point??

News has a script.

Football has a script

Golf has a script

Ping pong has a script

Hockey has a script

Nascar has a script

State of the union adress has a script

As it says on wrestling monday night

Wrestling then wrestling now wrestling forever..Thats profound and real..

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRnSnfiUI54

 

 

This says it all...

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