Would you vote for an openly Athiest or Agnostic president?

[QUOTE="Rhythmic_"]

I would...if the person is anti-abortion, anti-gay "rights", anti-big government (does not promote Welfare, Universal Healthcare, or related programs), does not believe the myth that humans are causing global warming, does not want to spitefully and needlessly shut Christianity out of American society, does not support embrionic stem cell research, does not promote Affirmative Action or the current double standard we have against white males in this country, does not ignore the fact that there are radical muslims who want to kill us, does not give 13 million illegal aliens unearned and unfair amnesty, secures our borders, and strengthens our military...sure I'd still vote for that person if he or she was an atheist.

MotherSuperior

I didn't catch the sarcasm. You can't be serious?

There is no sarcasm, I'd vote for an atheist if he shares my political views. It's as simple as that.

Why can't I be serious? Is it because my opinion differs from yours, and that somehow makes me "uneducated", "stupid", "ignorant", "intollerant", "misguided"..."wrong"? Grow up and learn to accept that you're not an elite. You're just another person out there with a set of beliefs, like me, like everyone, and it doesn't make you any more right or any better of a person.

I'd vote for him over a Christian president, if they were exactly the same on all other issues. I don't like religion being dragged into the running of our country.beat89

even all the Founding Father were Chri... ahem excuse me "deists"

[QUOTE="Rhythmic_"]

I would...if the person is anti-abortion, anti-gay "rights", anti-big government (does not promote Welfare, Universal Healthcare, or related programs), does not believe the myth that humans are causing global warming, does not want to spitefully and needlessly shut Christianity out of American society, does not support embrionic stem cell research, does not promote Affirmative Action or the current double standard we have against white males in this country, does not ignore the fact that there are radical muslims who want to kill us, does not give 13 million illegal aliens unearned and unfair amnesty, secures our borders, and strengthens our military...sure I'd still vote for that person if he or she was an atheist.

MotherSuperior

I didn't catch the sarcasm. You can't be serious?

He likes Capitalism more then Socialism... thats what I got from that... aka he prefers when people aren't lazy and the government isn't huge and a Clinton is not sitting in the Oval Office.

[QUOTE="MotherSuperior"][QUOTE="Rhythmic_"]

I would...if the person is anti-abortion, anti-gay "rights", anti-big government (does not promote Welfare, Universal Healthcare, or related programs), does not believe the myth that humans are causing global warming, does not want to spitefully and needlessly shut Christianity out of American society, does not support embrionic stem cell research, does not promote Affirmative Action or the current double standard we have against white males in this country, does not ignore the fact that there are radical muslims who want to kill us, does not give 13 million illegal aliens unearned and unfair amnesty, secures our borders, and strengthens our military...sure I'd still vote for that person if he or she was an atheist.

Rhythmic_

I didn't catch the sarcasm. You can't be serious?

There is no sarcasm, I'd vote for an atheist if he shares my political views. It's as simple as that.

Why can't I be serious? Is it because my opinion differs from yours, and that somehow makes me "uneducated", "stupid", "ignorant", "intollerant", "misguided"..."wrong"? Grow up and learn to accept that you're not an elite. You're just another person out there with a set of beliefs, like me, like everyone, and it doesn't make you any more right or any better of a person.

[QUOTE="MotherSuperior"][QUOTE="Rhythmic_"]

I would...if the person is anti-abortion, anti-gay "rights", anti-big government (does not promote Welfare, Universal Healthcare, or related programs), does not believe the myth that humans are causing global warming, does not want to spitefully and needlessly shut Christianity out of American society, does not support embrionic stem cell research, does not promote Affirmative Action or the current double standard we have against white males in this country, does not ignore the fact that there are radical muslims who want to kill us, does not give 13 million illegal aliens unearned and unfair amnesty, secures our borders, and strengthens our military...sure I'd still vote for that person if he or she was an atheist.

battlefront23

I didn't catch the sarcasm. You can't be serious?

He likes Capitalism more then Socialism... thats what I got from that... aka he prefers when people aren't lazy and the government isn't huge and a Clinton is not sitting in the Oval Office.

There wasn't one single capitalistic idea in Rythmic's post...:roll:

[QUOTE="MotherSuperior"][QUOTE="Rhythmic_"]

I would...if the person is anti-abortion, anti-gay "rights", anti-big government (does not promote Welfare, Universal Healthcare, or related programs), does not believe the myth that humans are causing global warming, does not want to spitefully and needlessly shut Christianity out of American society, does not support embrionic stem cell research, does not promote Affirmative Action or the current double standard we have against white males in this country, does not ignore the fact that there are radical muslims who want to kill us, does not give 13 million illegal aliens unearned and unfair amnesty, secures our borders, and strengthens our military...sure I'd still vote for that person if he or she was an atheist.

Rhythmic_

I didn't catch the sarcasm. You can't be serious?

There is no sarcasm, I'd vote for an atheist if he shares my political views. It's as simple as that.

Why can't I be clserious? Is it because my opinion differs from yours, and that somehow makes me "uneducated", "stupid", "ignorant", "intollerant", "misguided"..."wrong"? Grow up and learn to accept that you're not an elite. You're just another person out there with a set of beliefs, like me, like everyone, and it doesn't make you any more right or any better of a person.

Notice how I didn't take any cheap shots, or call you "uneducated", "stupid", "ignorant", "intollerant", "misguided"..."wrong," because of your beliefs. That was all in your head. I asked a simple question because your response sounded a little sarcastic in my head. However, your need for a hostile response to defend your beliefs only reenforces my belief that most of your opinions on this topic are wrong.

i don't see what their religious affiliation has to do with their ability as a presidential candidate. if they're a good candidate, i'll vote for them.

the end

[QUOTE="Rhythmic_"][QUOTE="MotherSuperior"][QUOTE="Rhythmic_"]

I would...if the person is anti-abortion, anti-gay "rights", anti-big government (does not promote Welfare, Universal Healthcare, or related programs), does not believe the myth that humans are causing global warming, does not want to spitefully and needlessly shut Christianity out of American society, does not support embrionic stem cell research, does not promote Affirmative Action or the current double standard we have against white males in this country, does not ignore the fact that there are radical muslims who want to kill us, does not give 13 million illegal aliens unearned and unfair amnesty, secures our borders, and strengthens our military...sure I'd still vote for that person if he or she was an atheist.

MotherSuperior

I didn't catch the sarcasm. You can't be serious?

There is no sarcasm, I'd vote for an atheist if he shares my political views. It's as simple as that.

Why can't I be clserious? Is it because my opinion differs from yours, and that somehow makes me "uneducated", "stupid", "ignorant", "intollerant", "misguided"..."wrong"? Grow up and learn to accept that you're not an elite. You're just another person out there with a set of beliefs, like me, like everyone, and it doesn't make you any more right or any better of a person.

Notice how I didn't take any cheap shots, or call you "uneducated", "stupid", "ignorant", "intollerant", "misguided"..."wrong," because of your beliefs. That was all in your head. I asked a simple question because your response sounded a little sarcastic in my head. However, your need for a hostile response to defend your beliefs only reenforces my belief that most of your opinions on this topic are wrong.

Asking if I was being sarcastic, when you knew full well I was serious, was more than enough to warrant the response I gave you. I didn't defend my beliefs...I don't have to defend my beliefs, because they're beliefs. I reminded you that your beliefs do not make you any better, which people like yourself constantly need to be reminded of. That's really all I need to contribute to this thread.

Oh by the way, thanks for giving me a laugh with the last 7 words of your post. Statements of fact are right or wrong, opinions are not.

[QUOTE="MotherSuperior"][QUOTE="Rhythmic_"][QUOTE="MotherSuperior"][QUOTE="Rhythmic_"]

I would...if the person is anti-abortion, anti-gay "rights", anti-big government (does not promote Welfare, Universal Healthcare, or related programs), does not believe the myth that humans are causing global warming, does not want to spitefully and needlessly shut Christianity out of American society, does not support embrionic stem cell research, does not promote Affirmative Action or the current double standard we have against white males in this country, does not ignore the fact that there are radical muslims who want to kill us, does not give 13 million illegal aliens unearned and unfair amnesty, secures our borders, and strengthens our military...sure I'd still vote for that person if he or she was an atheist.

Rhythmic_

I didn't catch the sarcasm. You can't be serious?

There is no sarcasm, I'd vote for an atheist if he shares my political views. It's as simple as that.

Why can't I be clserious? Is it because my opinion differs from yours, and that somehow makes me "uneducated", "stupid", "ignorant", "intollerant", "misguided"..."wrong"? Grow up and learn to accept that you're not an elite. You're just another person out there with a set of beliefs, like me, like everyone, and it doesn't make you any more right or any better of a person.

Notice how I didn't take any cheap shots, or call you "uneducated", "stupid", "ignorant", "intollerant", "misguided"..."wrong," because of your beliefs. That was all in your head. I asked a simple question because your response sounded a little sarcastic in my head. However, your need for a hostile response to defend your beliefs only reenforces my belief that most of your opinions on this topic are wrong.

Asking if I was being sarcastic, when you knew full well I was serious, was more than enough to warrant the response I gave you. I didn't defend my beliefs...I don't have to defend my beliefs, because they're beliefs. I reminded you that your beliefs do not make you any better, which people like yourself constantly need to be reminded of. That's really all I need to contribute to this thread.

Oh by the way, thanks for giving me a laugh with the last 7 words of your post. Statements of fact are right or wrong, opinions are not.

Check your eyes maybe? Or practice your critical reading skills? How the hell do you know that I knew you were serious? This is a gaming forum and sometimes it is hard to distinguish sarcasm from meritable thought. The last 7 words of my response were MY opinion and would be evident if you would include the previous 5 words and not practice selective reading.

Yes. I don't see how religion could make them any better/worse than the other candidates...kornholio360

[QUOTE="kornholio360"]Yes. I don't see how religion could make them any better/worse than the other candidates...wemhim

I'd vote for a hermaphrodite, a gay a black, a white, a straight, a rich, a poor, an Atheist, a Buddhist, a Muslim, a Christian, an Agnostic, a Deist, an ex Heroin addict(Key word, ex), a trans-gender(Not same as the first thing), a young person, an old one, a Mexican immigrant, a French one, a Latino, a German immigrant, a Bisexual, a Jew, and of course, a person with no legs... See how respectful I am of people. Others need to also, stop basing people off of trivial things like a theistic standpoint. I sometimes feel like I am the only that practices what he preaches. wemhim

[QUOTE="wemhim"]I'd vote for a hermaphrodite, a gay a black, a white, a straight, a rich, a poor, an Atheist, a Buddhist, a Muslim, a Christian, an Agnostic, a Deist, an ex Heroin addict(Key word, ex), a trans-gender(Not same as the first thing), a young person, an old one, a Mexican immigrant, a French one, a Latino, a German immigrant, a Bisexual, a Jew, and of course, a person with no legs... See how respectful I am of people. Others need to also, stop basing people off of trivial things like a theistic standpoint. I sometimes feel like I am the only that practices what he preaches. MattUD1

I'd vote for a hermaphrodite, a gay a black, a white, a straight, a rich, a poor, an Atheist, a Buddhist, a Muslim, a Christian, an Agnostic, a Deist, an ex Heroin addict(Key word, ex), a trans-gender(Not same as the first thing), a young person, an old one, a Mexican immigrant, a French one, a Latino, a German immigrant, a Bisexual, a Jew, and of course, a person with no legs... See how respectful I am of people. Others need to also, stop basing people off of trivial things like a theistic standpoint. I sometimes feel like I am the only that practices what he preaches. wemhim

I agree 100% which is why I made this thread to bring out the bigotry with responses such as "No because he/she isn't religious," or "Yes, because he/se isn't religious." I am agnostic, I can't stand Christians, but I would still vote for one if their political views matched my own. However, I would draw the line if their religious views somehow got tied up with their political decisions.

[QUOTE="wemhim"]I'd vote for a hermaphrodite, a gay a black, a white, a straight, a rich, a poor, an Atheist, a Buddhist, a Muslim, a Christian, an Agnostic, a Deist, an ex Heroin addict(Key word, ex), a trans-gender(Not same as the first thing), a young person, an old one, a Mexican immigrant, a French one, a Latino, a German immigrant, a Bisexual, a Jew, and of course, a person with no legs... See how respectful I am of people. Others need to also, stop basing people off of trivial things like a theistic standpoint. I sometimes feel like I am the only that practices what he preaches. MotherSuperior

I agree 100% which is why I made this thread to bring out the bigotry with responses such as "No because he/she isn't religious," or "Yes, because he/se isn't religious." I am agnostic, I can't stand Christians, but I would still vote for one if their political views matched my own. However, I would draw the line if their religious views somehow got tied up with their political decisions.

[QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="wemhim"]I'd vote for a hermaphrodite, a gay a black, a white, a straight, a rich, a poor, an Atheist, a Buddhist, a Muslim, a Christian, an Agnostic, a Deist, an ex Heroin addict(Key word, ex), a trans-gender(Not same as the first thing), a young person, an old one, a Mexican immigrant, a French one, a Latino, a German immigrant, a Bisexual, a Jew, and of course, a person with no legs... See how respectful I am of people. Others need to also, stop basing people off of trivial things like a theistic standpoint. I sometimes feel like I am the only that practices what he preaches. wemhim

[QUOTE="MotherSuperior"]

[QUOTE="wemhim"]I'd vote for a hermaphrodite, a gay a black, a white, a straight, a rich, a poor, an Atheist, a Buddhist, a Muslim, a Christian, an Agnostic, a Deist, an ex Heroin addict(Key word, ex), a trans-gender(Not same as the first thing), a young person, an old one, a Mexican immigrant, a French one, a Latino, a German immigrant, a Bisexual, a Jew, and of course, a person with no legs... See how respectful I am of people. Others need to also, stop basing people off of trivial things like a theistic standpoint. I sometimes feel like I am the only that practices what he preaches. wemhim

I agree 100% which is why I made this thread to bring out the bigotry with responses such as "No because he/she isn't religious," or "Yes, because he/se isn't religious." I am agnostic, I can't stand Christians, but I would still vote for one if their political views matched my own. However, I would draw the line if their religious views somehow got tied up with their political decisions.

You're a better man that I am, then. I don't like Christians because of some bad experiences with them in my childhood. I wouldn't have a problem with them otherwise.

Yeah, I could care less honestly. As long as they're a good candidate, it doesn't matter.

[QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="MattUD1"][QUOTE="wemhim"]I'd vote for a hermaphrodite, a gay a black, a white, a straight, a rich, a poor, an Atheist, a Buddhist, a Muslim, a Christian, an Agnostic, a Deist, an ex Heroin addict(Key word, ex), a trans-gender(Not same as the first thing), a young person, an old one, a Mexican immigrant, a French one, a Latino, a German immigrant, a Bisexual, a Jew, and of course, a person with no legs... See how respectful I am of people. Others need to also, stop basing people off of trivial things like a theistic standpoint. I sometimes feel like I am the only that practices what he preaches. MattUD1

If they were satanists I wouldnt and thats the only exception.chester706

That's an extreme example, though, but I see your point.

I'd vote for a hermaphrodite, a gay a black, a white, a straight, a rich, a poor, an Atheist, a Buddhist, a Muslim, a Christian, an Agnostic, a Deist, an ex Heroin addict(Key word, ex), a trans-gender(Not same as the first thing), a young person, an old one, a Mexican immigrant, a French one, a Latino, a German immigrant, a Bisexual, a Jew, and of course, a person with no legs... See how respectful I am of people. Others need to also, stop basing people off of trivial things like a theistic standpoint. I sometimes feel like I am the only that practices what he preaches. wemhim

If they were satanists I wouldnt and thats the only exception.chester706

[QUOTE="wemhim"]I'd vote for a hermaphrodite, a gay a black, a white, a straight, a rich, a poor, an Atheist, a Buddhist, a Muslim, a Christian, an Agnostic, a Deist, an ex Heroin addict(Key word, ex), a trans-gender(Not same as the first thing), a young person, an old one, a Mexican immigrant, a French one, a Latino, a German immigrant, a Bisexual, a Jew, and of course, a person with no legs... See how respectful I am of people. Others need to also, stop basing people off of trivial things like a theistic standpoint. I sometimes feel like I am the only that practices what he preaches. killtactics

They would have to redesign the podium and everything.

[QUOTE="chester706"]If they were satanists I wouldnt and thats the only exception.MattUD1

[QUOTE="wemhim"]I'd vote for a hermaphrodite, a gay a black, a white, a straight, a rich, a poor, an Atheist, a Buddhist, a Muslim, a Christian, an Agnostic, a Deist, an ex Heroin addict(Key word, ex), a trans-gender(Not same as the first thing), a young person, an old one, a Mexican immigrant, a French one, a Latino, a German immigrant, a Bisexual, a Jew, and of course, a person with no legs... See how respectful I am of people. Others need to also, stop basing people off of trivial things like a theistic standpoint. I sometimes feel like I am the only that practices what he preaches. killtactics

[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="wemhim"]I'd vote for a hermaphrodite, a gay a black, a white, a straight, a rich, a poor, an Atheist, a Buddhist, a Muslim, a Christian, an Agnostic, a Deist, an ex Heroin addict(Key word, ex), a trans-gender(Not same as the first thing), a young person, an old one, a Mexican immigrant, a French one, a Latino, a German immigrant, a Bisexual, a Jew, and of course, a person with no legs... See how respectful I am of people. Others need to also, stop basing people off of trivial things like a theistic standpoint. I sometimes feel like I am the only that practices what he preaches. MotherSuperior

They would have to redesign the podium and everything.

i would vote for an agnostic, but i would not vote for an athiest. how would they be sworn into office?MichaeltheCM

Presidents are legally, not religiously, sworn in. They may use a bible in most cases, but there's nothing saying they have to. The atheist could just swear on the constitution (which, imo, should be the norm). Besides, its not like the agnostic believes in God either, so (s)he couldn't be sworn in using a bible either.

[QUOTE="chester706"]If they were satanists I wouldnt and thats the only exception.MattUD1

Honestly, modern Satanism is more related to existentialism and epicureanism than anything else. LaVey adopted the name for the philosophy's similarities with some of Satan's (just a few) qualities as described in biblical texts, but even more so for shock value, and making people upset, which it seems to still be capable of doing.