If enough people in america (or whatever country), decided they wanted to split the country up in different groups i.e. A conservative state, a liberal state, libertarian state etc. Do you think it would be beneficial ? Why ?
If enough people in america (or whatever country), decided they wanted to split the country up in different groups i.e. A consertive state, a liberal state, libertarian state etc. Do you think would be beneficial ? dkdk999
If enough people in america (or whatever country), decided they wanted to split the country up in different groups i.e. A consertive state, a liberal state, libertarian state etc. Do you think would be beneficial ? dkdk999
Absolutely not. As flawed as our two party system is, I wouldn't want to split off the GOP because they sill offer a counterpoint to Democratic proposals, and it's fun to watch them persistently push anti-abortion and anti-gay agendas.
[QUOTE="dkdk999"]If enough people in america (or whatever country), decided they wanted to split the country up in different groups i.e. A consertive state, a liberal state, libertarian state etc. Do you think would be beneficial ? jimkabrhel
Absolutely not. As flawed as our two party system is, I wouldn't want to split off the GOP because they sill offer a counterpoint to Democratic proposals, and it's fun to watch them persistently push anti-abortion and anti-gay agendas.
Yeah but only if the north east and west coast join Canada.
jimkabrhel
What's wrong with the upper Midwest? We'll bring Chicago!
Chicago would nearly double our national number of murders. As for separatists, I don't support them. Unless you're really, really getting screwed over by your government leaving because you're not getting exactly what you want is idiotic. All you'd do is fracture nations to such a degree that everything ends up as fail states.
Yeah but only if the north east and west coast join Canada.
Laihendi
California is 618 billion dollars in debt. You want your country looted to fund their welfare programs?Well they're also by far the biggest state economy in the US. And we already have welfare programs that are doing fine and an economy that's recovered incredibly fast sooooooo
In the U.S. no. But in other countries and situations it depends on whether or not I support self determination. In cases of human rights violations, oppression, second class citizens of groups of people , then yes. If simply ideological, economic, or social reasons, then no.
Yeah but only if the north east and west coast join Canada.
Ace6301
What's wrong with the upper Midwest? We'll bring Chicago!
Chicago would nearly double our national number of murders. As for separatists, I don't support them. Unless you're really, really getting screwed over by your government leaving because you're not getting exactly what you want is idiotic. All you'd do is fracture nations to such a degree that everything ends up as fail states. Creating a new country which is smaller than the old isn't "fracturing", it's just creating a new country. Why do you use the term "fracture" you think it's going to be unorganized and that's the problem ?
Yeah but only if the north east and west coast join Canada.
Aljosa23
California is 618 billion dollars in debt. You want your country looted to fund their welfare programs?Well they're also by far the biggest state economy in the US. And we already have welfare programs that are doing fine and an economy that's recovered incredibly fast sooooooo Please explain how Canada will benefit from taking in a state that spends far more money than it collects.
Damn should have made thread as an argument for seperatism rather than a question, people like just saying "no" with no answer. I don't see why you wouldn't support living in a place that aligns better with your viewpoints.
Please explain how Canada will benefit from taking in a state that spends far more money than it collects.Laihendi
Can you point out where I said they'll benefit? Anyways, if anything I'd be fine with them governing themselves in that area like the provinces do now. Welfare and social assistance is a provincial thing here and since California alone has a larger economy than Canada I don't think much would change there.
[QUOTE="Laihendi"]Please explain how Canada will benefit from taking in a state that spends far more money than it collects.Aljosa23
Can you point out where I said they'll benefit? Anyways, if anything I'd be fine with them governing themselves in that area like the provinces do now. Welfare and social assistance is a provincial thing here and since California alone has a larger economy than Canada I don't think much would change there. If Canada would not benefit from California joining it, then why would you want California to join it?
[QUOTE="Laihendi"]If Canada would not benefit from California joining it, then why would you want California to join it?Aljosa23
Well I would benefit because traveling would be much cheaper and I wouldn't have to deal with those jerks at every USA-Canada border. Why are we dancing around the issue? This has less to do with why Cali should join Canada and more to do with most of the south is ideologically more different then the rest of the US. If the south was removed, Canada would fit in seamlessly with the other parts of the US, culturally.
What's wrong with the upper Midwest? We'll bring Chicago!
dkdk999
Chicago would nearly double our national number of murders. As for separatists, I don't support them. Unless you're really, really getting screwed over by your government leaving because you're not getting exactly what you want is idiotic. All you'd do is fracture nations to such a degree that everything ends up as fail states. Creating a new country which is smaller than the old isn't "fracturing", it's just creating a new country. Why do you use the term "fracture" you think it's going to be unorganized and that's the problem ? Creating a new country by fracturing the old, stronger, country. States are not as black and white in ideology as you may think looking at an election map. There's quite a bit of blue in the red states and quite a bit of red in the blue states. So if a red state left because they dislike Obama (which is an extremely childish thing to do since he's temporary) what should all the blue voters do? Leave? Or maybe create their own nation? This seems to me more someone looking at a game and seeing they're losing and rather than trying to change their strategy to win they attempt to change the rules of the game to fit their current strategy.
[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="dkdk999"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] Chicago would nearly double our national number of murders. As for separatists, I don't support them. Unless you're really, really getting screwed over by your government leaving because you're not getting exactly what you want is idiotic. All you'd do is fracture nations to such a degree that everything ends up as fail states. Creating a new country which is smaller than the old isn't "fracturing", it's just creating a new country. Why do you use the term "fracture" you think it's going to be unorganized and that's the problem ? Creating a new country by fracturing the old, stronger, country. States are not as black and white in ideology as you may think looking at an election map. There's quite a bit of blue in the red states and quite a bit of red in the blue states. So if a red state left because they dislike Obama (which is an extremely childish thing to do since he's temporary) what should all the blue voters do? Leave? Or maybe create their own nation? This seems to me more someone looking at a game and seeing they're losing and rather than trying to change their strategy to win they attempt to change the rules of the game to fit their current strategy. The federal government is out of control and it needs to be stopped. There would be much less conflict between government and constituency if the federal government was not so invasive and spread over a large area.
[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="dkdk999"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] Chicago would nearly double our national number of murders. As for separatists, I don't support them. Unless you're really, really getting screwed over by your government leaving because you're not getting exactly what you want is idiotic. All you'd do is fracture nations to such a degree that everything ends up as fail states. Creating a new country which is smaller than the old isn't "fracturing", it's just creating a new country. Why do you use the term "fracture" you think it's going to be unorganized and that's the problem ? Creating a new country by fracturing the old, stronger, country. States are not as black and white in ideology as you may think looking at an election map. There's quite a bit of blue in the red states and quite a bit of red in the blue states. So if a red state left because they dislike Obama (which is an extremely childish thing to do since he's temporary) what should all the blue voters do? Leave? Or maybe create their own nation? This seems to me more someone looking at a game and seeing they're losing and rather than trying to change their strategy to win they attempt to change the rules of the game to fit their current strategy. What will be "weaker" about a new country ?
What will be "weaker" about a new country ? dkdk999
Just about everything.
The federal government is out of control and it needs to be stopped. There would be much less conflict between government and constituency if the federal government was not so invasive and spread over a large area.Laihendi
[QUOTE="dkdk999"]What will be "weaker" about a new country ? Ace6301
Just about everything.
The federal government is out of control and it needs to be stopped. There would be much less conflict between government and constituency if the federal government was not so invasive and spread over a large area.Laihendi
So you run away from your problems. Nice. No, seceding from Washington would be removing the problem from the states. If you have an invasive and corrupt government then obviously something needs to be changed. What you are saying makes no sense at all.
[QUOTE="Laihendi"]If Canada would not benefit from California joining it, then why would you want California to join it?Aljosa23
Well I would benefit because traveling would be much cheaper and I wouldn't have to deal with those jerks at every USA-Canada border.Trust me, you do not want CA as part of Canada. It would probably bankrupt you guys.
[QUOTE="Laihendi"]If Canada would not benefit from California joining it, then why would you want California to join it?Pirate700
Well I would benefit because traveling would be much cheaper and I wouldn't have to deal with those jerks at every USA-Canada border.Trust me, you do not want CA as part of Canada. It would probably bankrupt you guys. They'd gain most of the US film industry.
[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Well I would benefit because traveling would be much cheaper and I wouldn't have to deal with those jerks at every USA-Canada border.
PannicAtack
Trust me, you do not want CA as part of Canada. It would probably bankrupt you guys.They'd gain most of the US film industry.lol so what? CA has that now and the state is bankrupt, has some of the highest unemployment in the country and the state's infrastructure is completely falling apart. It would be like Canada taking on a whole country, larger than the entirety of it's own population currently, and now half of Canada (including CA) is bankrupt. Canada would implode if it took on CA.
[QUOTE="PannicAtack"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]Trust me, you do not want CA as part of Canada. It would probably bankrupt you guys.
Pirate700
They'd gain most of the US film industry.lol so what? CA has that now and the state is bankrupt, has some of the highest unemployment in the country and the state's infrastructure is completely falling apart. It would be like Canada taking on a whole country, larger than the entirety of it's own population currently, and now half of Canada (including CA) is bankrupt. Canada would implode if it took on CA. Legalize marijuana and tax it. ??? Surplus
[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]They'd gain most of the US film industry.Ace6301
lol so what? CA has that now and the state is bankrupt, has some of the highest unemployment in the country and the state's infrastructure is completely falling apart. It would be like Canada taking on a whole country, larger than the entirety of it's own population currently, and now half of Canada (including CA) is bankrupt. Canada would implode if it took on CA. Legalize marijuana and tax it. ??? SurplusWhile that would be a big revenue generator, it likely wouldn't scratch the surface of CA's issues.
[QUOTE="PannicAtack"]They'd gain most of the US film industry.Ace6301
lol so what? CA has that now and the state is bankrupt, has some of the highest unemployment in the country and the state's infrastructure is completely falling apart. It would be like Canada taking on a whole country, larger than the entirety of it's own population currently, and now half of Canada (including CA) is bankrupt. Canada would implode if it took on CA. Legalize marijuana and tax it. ??? Surplus It's not legal in Canada....
[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]lol so what? CA has that now and the state is bankrupt, has some of the highest unemployment in the country and the state's infrastructure is completely falling apart. It would be like Canada taking on a whole country, larger than the entirety of it's own population currently, and now half of Canada (including CA) is bankrupt. Canada would implode if it took on CA. LJS9502_basic
Legalize marijuana and tax it. ??? Surplus It's not legal in Canada.... We don't need the money yet.
[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Ace6301"] Legalize marijuana and tax it. ??? Surplus It's not legal in Canada.... We don't need the money yet. Aren't you taking over California?
[QUOTE="Ace6301"][QUOTE="Pirate700"]lol so what? CA has that now and the state is bankrupt, has some of the highest unemployment in the country and the state's infrastructure is completely falling apart. It would be like Canada taking on a whole country, larger than the entirety of it's own population currently, and now half of Canada (including CA) is bankrupt. Canada would implode if it took on CA.
LJS9502_basic
Legalize marijuana and tax it. ??? Surplus It's not legal in Canada....It might as well be, to be honest. The Feds don't even go after users anymore.
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