Woman dies after being refused medically necessary abortion (Ireland)

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#1 ghoklebutter
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This was refused, he says, because the foetal heartbeat was still present and they were told, this is a Catholic country.

Link

Try this link if the above one doesn't work.

"Pro-life" my ass.

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#2 JML897
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Aaaaaagh
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#3 Shmiity
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And the fails continue to pile up

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#4 Jebus213
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God intended it.
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#5 LostProphetFLCL
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Hooray for religion! :roll:

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#6 Jebus213
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*snip*
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#7 Ace6301
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Link isn't working for me. I take it the fetus/child died? If so that's despicable.
One nation under religion.Jebus213
Link url says Ireland.
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#8 Barbariser
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lol Ireland

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#9 ghoklebutter
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God intended it.Jebus213
I just wish those gosh darn ladies would shut up about their bodily "rights" and accept God's will. The world would be better off that way.
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#10 Jebus213
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lol Ireland

Barbariser
It happened in Ireland? I guess I'll find out when OP fixes the fvcking link.
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#11 wis3boi
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"This is revenge for gay marriage." - Some right wing nutcase in the near future

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#12 supa_badman
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Thought the Catholic stance on abortion was that it was ok if it meant life or death?

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#13 dave123321
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[QUOTE="Barbariser"]

lol Ireland

Jebus213
It happened in Ireland? I guess I'll find out when OP fixes the fvcking link.

Don't jump to conclusions
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#14 XilePrincess
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If it was legitimately a medically necessary abortion, the female body has ways of shutting that kind of thing down.
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#15 dave123321
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Very sad and upsetting
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#16 wis3boi
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Thought the Catholic stance on abortion was that it was ok if it meant life or death?

supa_badman

I don't think they know what they believe. It's just flavor of the month for them

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#17 tocool340
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[QUOTE="Jebus213"][QUOTE="Barbariser"]

lol Ireland

dave123321

It happened in Ireland? I guess I'll find out when OP fixes the fvcking link.

Don't jump to conclusions

Whoa you've actually came ba--.....actually......actually almost fooled me into thinking you were Hokie...:lol:

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#18 Jebus213
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Fix the damn link already.
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#19 dave123321
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Fix the damn link already.Jebus213
calm down
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#20 dave123321
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/nov/14/ireland-woman-dies-after-abortion-refusal.
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#21 ghoklebutter
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Fix the damn link already.Jebus213
I'm sorry for that. This is the only other link I can find.
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#22 Jebus213
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[QUOTE="Jebus213"]Fix the damn link already.ghoklebutter
I'm sorry for that. This is the only other link I can find.

Yep, this is what God intended...
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#23 Barbariser
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[QUOTE="Barbariser"]

lol Ireland

Jebus213

It happened in Ireland? I guess I'll find out when OP fixes the fvcking link.

Don't have to read, the name "Ireland" is in the URL itself. Also if something horrible and yet darkly hilarious at the same time happens due to Catholicism and social conservatism you can bet its gonna be from Ireland.

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#24 Jebus213
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[QUOTE="Jebus213"][QUOTE="Barbariser"]

lol Ireland

Barbariser

It happened in Ireland? I guess I'll find out when OP fixes the fvcking link.

Don't have to read, the name "Ireland" is in the URL itself. Also if something horrible and yet darkly hilarious at the same time happens due to Catholicism and social conservatism you can bet its gonna be from Ireland.

Here in good old Jesusland(America) a man killed his 4-year old son because he thought his he was gay
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#25 AdrianWerner
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Generally I'm against abortions for moral reasons, but there are exceptions and this is it. When the pregnancy endangers woman's life or health then abortion is nothing else than self-defense. If you ban it in this case, you have to also ban self-defense and take firearms from from policemen.

It's often noble when women decides to endanger herself for the sake of it's child, but nobody should ever be forced to such sacrifice.

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#26 Barbariser
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[QUOTE="Barbariser"]

[QUOTE="Jebus213"][QUOTE="Barbariser"]

lol Ireland

Jebus213

It happened in Ireland? I guess I'll find out when OP fixes the fvcking link.

Don't have to read, the name "Ireland" is in the URL itself. Also if something horrible and yet darkly hilarious at the same time happens due to Catholicism and social conservatism you can bet its gonna be from Ireland.

Here in good old Jesusland(America) a man killed his 4-year old son because he thought his he was gay

Ehh that's not too surprising, the U.S. is also one of the most religious and socially conservative countries in the world and has like 65 times the population of Ireland. Ireland joined the Eurozone, that level of stupidity surpasses anything the U.S. has done in my living memory.

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#27 Strakha
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Generally I'm against abortions for moral reasons, but there are exceptions and this is it. When the pregnancy endangers woman's life or health then abortion is nothing else than self-defense. If you ban it in this case, you have to also ban self-defense and take firearms from from policemen.

It's often noble when women decides to endanger herself for the sake of it's child, but nobody should ever be forced to such sacrifice.

AdrianWerner

I just checked and abortion in Ireland is supposed to be legal in cases of rape or if life is at risk. Also I was looking through other national statistics and Ireland is the only European nation besides France & Turkey to have birth rate that is equal to or above replacement rate of 2.01 children born/woman. That suggests they do have stricter requirement for abortion than other European nations and/or are among the most religious as many have already suggested is the case.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html?countryName=Ireland&countryCode=ei&regionCode=eur&rank=130#ei

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#28 soulless4now
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Religion be damned in this case.

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If it was legitimately a medically necessary abortion, the female body has ways of shutting that kind of thing down.XilePrincess
I wish I didn't laugh at that.
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#30 Blue-Sky
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[QUOTE="XilePrincess"]If it was legitimately a medically necessary abortion, the female body has ways of shutting that kind of thing down.krazykillaz
I wish I didn't laugh at that.

"without exception. Understand though, that when we talk about exceptions, we talk about rape, incest, health of a woman, life of a woman. Life of the woman is not an exception." Joe Walsh, Republican

We really dodged a bullet last tues.

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#31 chaoscougar1
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Pro li...Oh
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#32 Celldrax
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Not sure what to say really... Other than the fact that their utterly brain dead stupidity allowed them a complete disregard for human life.

Sad to see that this isn't all that uncommon around the world.

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#33 tenaka2
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it is changing but ireland is still a very catholic country.

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#34 AdrianWerner
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[QUOTE="AdrianWerner"]

Generally I'm against abortions for moral reasons, but there are exceptions and this is it. When the pregnancy endangers woman's life or health then abortion is nothing else than self-defense. If you ban it in this case, you have to also ban self-defense and take firearms from from policemen.

It's often noble when women decides to endanger herself for the sake of it's child, but nobody should ever be forced to such sacrifice.

Strakha

I just checked and abortion in Ireland is supposed to be legal in cases of rape or if life is at risk. Also I was looking through other national statistics and Ireland is the only European nation besides France & Turkey to have birth rate that is equal to or above replacement rate of 2.01 children born/woman. That suggests they do have stricter requirement for abortion than other European nations and/or are among the most religious as many have already suggested is the case.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2127rank.html?countryName=Ireland&countryCode=ei&regionCode=eur&rank=130#ei

I live in Poland and here the regulations are pretty much the same. The only thing one can do in such cases is to sue the hell out of your own country in front of international courts. European tribunal almost always sides with the victim in those cases and forcing the goverment to pay a lot is the quickest way to ensure it doubles down on enforcing it's own law.

Seriously, I can understand that somebody is religious and his religion doesn't allow abortions, but if that's the case..pick different medical specialization for Christ's sake,

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#35 GrayF0X786
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is this another attempt to downplay religion? *sigh*

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#36 lamprey263
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OMG it's a Republican's wet dream
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#37 hippiesanta
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another atheist thread discussing about blaming/bullying religion
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#38 LJS9502_basic
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One life either way.....
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#39 chaoscougar1
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One life either way.....LJS9502_basic
Except this took both...
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#40 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]One life either way.....chaoscougar1
Except this took both...

That's odd. They usually save one of them...
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#41 MannyDelgado
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[QUOTE="chaoscougar1"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"]One life either way.....LJS9502_basic
Except this took both...

That's odd. They usually save one of them...

lol OT_doctor
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#42 TheFlush
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These religious nutjobs are not pro-life, they are pro-birth.
They choose the life of an unborn foetus above that of a living woman.
Seriously, this religious insanity has to go.

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#43 jim_shorts
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Abortion is generally wrong, but it was justified in this case. This is very different from using it as retroactive birth control, which is sickening to me.

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#44 SteverXIII
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An an Irishman living in this still catholic dominated country, let me say f*ck every single one of the pro-life religious nuts in this country. They do not care about rights of women, they are eternally bound by their ridiculous book and are living in the past. I have never met a single pro-life person here in Ireland who can give me a single solid reason on why it shouldn't be allowed. It is a damn shame this poor woman died because of the messed up laws in this country, but her death will kickstart this debate again and there's no doubt in my mind Ireland will allow abortion in the future May she R.I.P
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#45 gamerguru100
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FFS

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#46 The_Last_Ride
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[QUOTE="Jebus213"]God intended it.ghoklebutter
I just wish those gosh darn ladies would shut up about their bodily "rights" and accept God's will. The world would be better off that way.

i am assuming you aren't a woman and a christian believer?
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#47 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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MURIC...oh i mean IRELAND

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If it was legitimately a medically necessary abortion, the female body has ways of shutting that kind of thing down.XilePrincess
i don't think you know general biology...
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[QUOTE="XilePrincess"]If it was legitimately a medically necessary abortion, the female body has ways of shutting that kind of thing down.The_Last_Ride
i don't think you know general biology...

I don't think you watch the news...
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#50 gamerguru100
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MURIC...oh i mean IRELAND

Aljosa23
lol