Wisconsin Gay Marriage ban struck down

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#1 Edited by Black_Alpha_G (94 posts) -

"U.S. District Judge Barbara Crabb in Madison Friday overturned Wisconsin's gay marriage ban, striking down an amendment to the state constitution approved overwhelmingly by voters in 2006."


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#2 Edited by chessmaster1989 (30204 posts) -

Feels like this is happening weekly at this point. Good news as always

Also what's that gif from?

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#3 Posted by TheFlush (5923 posts) -

Good, it might take some time, but in the end social inequality will lose.

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#4 Edited by Ring_of_fire (15758 posts) -

good news, too bad it will be appealed.

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#5 Edited by TheFlush (5923 posts) -

@Ring_of_fire said:

good news, too bad it will be appealed.

Bigots might kick and scream, but they will eventually lose in the end and they know it... Even if it takes another decade. They're grasping at straws and they will go down.

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#6 Posted by HoolaHoopMan (10011 posts) -

Good to hear.

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#7 Edited by chessmaster1989 (30204 posts) -
@TheFlush said:

@Ring_of_fire said:

good news, too bad it will be appealed.

Bigots might kick and scream, but they will eventually lose in the end and they know it... Even if it takes another decade. They're grasping at straws.

But they can't be bigots they have gay friends!

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#8 Posted by TheFlush (5923 posts) -

@chessmaster1989 said:
@TheFlush said:

@Ring_of_fire said:

good news, too bad it will be appealed.

Bigots might kick and scream, but they will eventually lose in the end and they know it... Even if it takes another decade. They're grasping at straws.

But they can't be bigots they have gay friends!

Haha yeah lol :D

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#9 Posted by dave123321 (35383 posts) -

@chessmaster1989: gif is from Community

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#10 Posted by LostProphetFLCL (18526 posts) -

Take that you shitty state!

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#11 Posted by Shadow4020 (2097 posts) -

News like this always brightens my day

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#12 Posted by theone86 (22305 posts) -

@TheFlush said:

Good, it might take some time, but in the end social inequality will lose.

I dunno, gay marriage advocates better hope that if this ever does reach the Supreme Court that Scalia, Roberts, and company don't decide to smack them down. If they do lose at that level it will either take a new Court reversing that decision (which is rare and would probably take a lot of time and work to accomplish) or a constitutional amendment (and good luck with that in the next century or so). Yes, there are a lot of victories, but all of that could be undone in an instant if the Court rules against them, which is a real possibility (I think I read something not too long ago where Kennedy, the swing vote, didn't seem too keen on the idea).

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#13 Posted by Cyberdot (3928 posts) -

Not good.

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#14 Posted by Black_Alpha_G (94 posts) -

@Cyberdot said:

Not good.

The ban being struck down isn't good? How so?

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#15 Posted by Master_Live (19200 posts) -

@Black_Alpha_G said:

@Cyberdot said:

Not good.

The ban being struck down isn't good? How so?

We are headed to Sodom and Gomorrah, God have mercy on your soul Alpha.

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#16 Posted by Cyberdot (3928 posts) -

@Black_Alpha_G said:

@Cyberdot said:

Not good.

The ban being struck down isn't good? How so?

It's extreme.

We shouldn't be allowed to marry someone of our sex.

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#17 Posted by deeliman (3990 posts) -

@Cyberdot I should be allowed to marry whoever the **** I want, and it would be none of your goddamn business.

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#18 Posted by Cyberdot (3928 posts) -

@deeliman said:

@Cyberdot I should be allowed to marry whoever the **** I want, and it would be none of your goddamn business.

This is what's wrong with the society today.

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#19 Posted by lamprey263 (35731 posts) -

Denied!!

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#20 Posted by TheFlush (5923 posts) -

@Cyberdot said:

@Black_Alpha_G said:

@Cyberdot said:

Not good.

The ban being struck down isn't good? How so?

It's extreme.

We shouldn't be allowed to marry someone of our sex.

Please elaborate, why is it extreme and why shouldn't it be allowed?

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#21 Edited by ChristianGmr14 (157 posts) -

More violation of the will of the people by a corrupt activist judge. It's scary how people are alright with this, it's only a matter of time before they try to do this with something that we care for like the Right to Bear Arms or even Free Speech or Religion.

For the record, I support equality, I just want the Government out of Marriage entirely. Also Marriage beyond the definition is not a right.

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#22 Posted by GazaAli (25216 posts) -

Hell breaking loose in 3,2,1...

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#23 Posted by lostrib (49999 posts) -

@christiangmr14 said:

More violation of the will of the people by a corrupt activist judge. It's scary how people are alright with this, it's only a matter of time before they try to do this with something that we care for like the Right to Bear Arms or even Free Speech or Religion.

For the record, I support equality, I just want the Government out of Marriage entirely. Also Marriage beyond the definition is not a right.

So if the people voted to enslave black people, you'd be cool with that?

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#24 Posted by GazaAli (25216 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@christiangmr14 said:

More violation of the will of the people by a corrupt activist judge. It's scary how people are alright with this, it's only a matter of time before they try to do this with something that we care for like the Right to Bear Arms or even Free Speech or Religion.

For the record, I support equality, I just want the Government out of Marriage entirely. Also Marriage beyond the definition is not a right.

So if the people voted to enslave black people, you'd be cool with that?

Have you been staking out the topic waiting for someone to come along and post a contentious reply in here?

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#25 Posted by deactivated-5b19214ec908b (25072 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

@lostrib said:

@christiangmr14 said:

More violation of the will of the people by a corrupt activist judge. It's scary how people are alright with this, it's only a matter of time before they try to do this with something that we care for like the Right to Bear Arms or even Free Speech or Religion.

For the record, I support equality, I just want the Government out of Marriage entirely. Also Marriage beyond the definition is not a right.

So if the people voted to enslave black people, you'd be cool with that?

Have you been staking out the topic waiting for someone to come along and post a contentious reply in here?

It is a valid reply though.

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#26 Posted by lostrib (49999 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

@lostrib said:

@christiangmr14 said:

More violation of the will of the people by a corrupt activist judge. It's scary how people are alright with this, it's only a matter of time before they try to do this with something that we care for like the Right to Bear Arms or even Free Speech or Religion.

For the record, I support equality, I just want the Government out of Marriage entirely. Also Marriage beyond the definition is not a right.

So if the people voted to enslave black people, you'd be cool with that?

Have you been staking out the topic waiting for someone to come along and post a contentious reply in here?

No

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#27 Posted by ChristianGmr14 (157 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@christiangmr14 said:

More violation of the will of the people by a corrupt activist judge. It's scary how people are alright with this, it's only a matter of time before they try to do this with something that we care for like the Right to Bear Arms or even Free Speech or Religion.

For the record, I support equality, I just want the Government out of Marriage entirely. Also Marriage beyond the definition is not a right.

So if the people voted to enslave black people, you'd be cool with that?

False Analogy Fallacy. Slavery is not related to this issue, no one is advocating such a thing, furthermore it was the Federal Government that originally ruled that black people had no rights, not the American People themselves as there were states that tried to restrict it but they were struck down by Federal Judges.

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#28 Edited by Black_Alpha_G (94 posts) -

@christiangmr14: So, if you want the government out of marriage entirely, you want all the benefits ALL married couples share taken? Like being able to flie taxes, visit your spouse in the hospital, and being able to adopt a child/children together? Because straight couples receive those. So why is "wrong" for gay couples? Just because you don't agree with, what you seem to think is a lifestyle choice, doesn't mean you should be able to decide who they want to marry, and spend their lives with. It should be their choice, and it should be legal.

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#29 Posted by lostrib (49999 posts) -

@christiangmr14 said:

@lostrib said:

@christiangmr14 said:

More violation of the will of the people by a corrupt activist judge. It's scary how people are alright with this, it's only a matter of time before they try to do this with something that we care for like the Right to Bear Arms or even Free Speech or Religion.

For the record, I support equality, I just want the Government out of Marriage entirely. Also Marriage beyond the definition is not a right.

So if the people voted to enslave black people, you'd be cool with that?

False Analogy Fallacy. Slavery is not related to this issue, no one is advocating such a thing, furthermore it was the Federal Government that originally ruled that black people had no rights, not the American People themselves as there were states that tried to restrict it but they were struck down by Federal Judges.

You said that the court shouldn't violate the will of the people, so if the will of the people were to have slaves you'd be cool?

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#30 Posted by deactivated-5b19214ec908b (25072 posts) -

@christiangmr14 said:

@lostrib said:

@christiangmr14 said:

More violation of the will of the people by a corrupt activist judge. It's scary how people are alright with this, it's only a matter of time before they try to do this with something that we care for like the Right to Bear Arms or even Free Speech or Religion.

For the record, I support equality, I just want the Government out of Marriage entirely. Also Marriage beyond the definition is not a right.

So if the people voted to enslave black people, you'd be cool with that?

False Analogy Fallacy. Slavery is not related to this issue, no one is advocating such a thing, furthermore it was the Federal Government that originally ruled that black people had no rights, not the American People themselves as there were states that tried to restrict it but they were struck down by Federal Judges.

So where do you draw the line of what rights can be taken away by the peoples request? If it's ok to discriminate against gays because of what the majority want then surely it's ok to discriminate against other groups as well. Would you be ok with banning Christians from marriage or banning Christianity entirely if the majority of people wanted to?

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#31 Posted by ChristianGmr14 (157 posts) -

@Black_Alpha_G said:

@christiangmr14: So, if you want the government out of marriage entirely, you want all the benefits ALL married couples share? Like being able to flie taxes, visit your spouse in the hospital, and being able to adopt a child/children together? Because straight couples receive those. So why is "wrong" for gay couples? Just because you don't agree with, what you seem to think is a lifestyle choice, doesn't mean you should be able to decide who they want to marry, and spend their lives with. It should be their choice, and it should be legal.

I never said anything about people not being able to choose who they want to spend their lives with, please don't do that again.

I want the Government out of Marriage entirely, I coined it "Separation of Marriage and State", the only thing the Government should do is issue legal rights and benefits to couples, straight and gay. Marriage should be only between churches, synagogues, mosques etc...with no legal barrings or recognition by the State in anyway. It is wrong to use the Government to violate the definition of Marriage against the will of the people.

This would kill the issue entirely, it is the ultimate equality stance and it is the ultimate conservative stance as it is it the ultimate small Government stance.

Though I do not believe gay couples should adopt kids (haters gonna hate), a kid needs both a Mom and a Dad, it is essential to their upbringing and gay couples cannot provide that need. This does not mean that they are bad people or not loving, they certainly are, but it is not a healthy environment for a child to grow up in.

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#32 Posted by lostrib (49999 posts) -

@christiangmr14 said:

@Black_Alpha_G said:

@christiangmr14: So, if you want the government out of marriage entirely, you want all the benefits ALL married couples share? Like being able to flie taxes, visit your spouse in the hospital, and being able to adopt a child/children together? Because straight couples receive those. So why is "wrong" for gay couples? Just because you don't agree with, what you seem to think is a lifestyle choice, doesn't mean you should be able to decide who they want to marry, and spend their lives with. It should be their choice, and it should be legal.

I never said anything about people not being able to choose who they want to spend their lives with, please don't do that again.

I want the Government out of Marriage entirely, I coined it "Separation of Marriage and State", the only thing the Government should do is issue legal rights and benefits to couples, straight and gay. Marriage should be only between churches, synagogues, mosques etc...with no legal barrings or recognition by the State in anyway. It is wrong to use the Government to violate the definition of Marriage against the will of the people.

This would kill the issue entirely, it is the ultimate equality stance and it is the ultimate conservative stance as it is it the ultimate small Government stance.

Though I do not believe gay couples should adopt kids (haters gonna hate), a kid needs both a Mom and a Dad, it is essential to their upbringing and gay couples cannot provide that need. This does not mean that they are bad people or not loving, they certainly are, but it is not a healthy environment for a child to grow up in.

so single parents should have their kids removed?

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#33 Posted by deactivated-5b19214ec908b (25072 posts) -

@christiangmr14 said:

@Black_Alpha_G said:

@christiangmr14: So, if you want the government out of marriage entirely, you want all the benefits ALL married couples share? Like being able to flie taxes, visit your spouse in the hospital, and being able to adopt a child/children together? Because straight couples receive those. So why is "wrong" for gay couples? Just because you don't agree with, what you seem to think is a lifestyle choice, doesn't mean you should be able to decide who they want to marry, and spend their lives with. It should be their choice, and it should be legal.

I never said anything about people not being able to choose who they want to spend their lives with, please don't do that again.

I want the Government out of Marriage entirely, I coined it "Separation of Marriage and State", the only thing the Government should do is issue legal rights and benefits to couples, straight and gay. Marriage should be only between churches, synagogues, mosques etc...with no legal barrings or recognition by the State in anyway. It is wrong to use the Government to violate the definition of Marriage against the will of the people.

This would kill the issue entirely, it is the ultimate equality stance and it is the ultimate conservative stance as it is it the ultimate small Government stance.

Though I do not believe gay couples should adopt kids (haters gonna hate), a kid needs both a Mom and a Dad, it is essential to their upbringing and gay couples cannot provide that need. This does not mean that they are bad people or not loving, they certainly are, but it is not a healthy environment for a child to grow up in.

But as long as the government is involved in marriage then shouldn't gays be allowed to as well?

And piss of with the no adoption shit, you disgusting waste of flesh. It sickens me how people like you want to tear families apart.

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#34 Posted by ChristianGmr14 (157 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@christiangmr14 said:

@Black_Alpha_G said:

@christiangmr14: So, if you want the government out of marriage entirely, you want all the benefits ALL married couples share? Like being able to flie taxes, visit your spouse in the hospital, and being able to adopt a child/children together? Because straight couples receive those. So why is "wrong" for gay couples? Just because you don't agree with, what you seem to think is a lifestyle choice, doesn't mean you should be able to decide who they want to marry, and spend their lives with. It should be their choice, and it should be legal.

I never said anything about people not being able to choose who they want to spend their lives with, please don't do that again.

I want the Government out of Marriage entirely, I coined it "Separation of Marriage and State", the only thing the Government should do is issue legal rights and benefits to couples, straight and gay. Marriage should be only between churches, synagogues, mosques etc...with no legal barrings or recognition by the State in anyway. It is wrong to use the Government to violate the definition of Marriage against the will of the people.

This would kill the issue entirely, it is the ultimate equality stance and it is the ultimate conservative stance as it is it the ultimate small Government stance.

Though I do not believe gay couples should adopt kids (haters gonna hate), a kid needs both a Mom and a Dad, it is essential to their upbringing and gay couples cannot provide that need. This does not mean that they are bad people or not loving, they certainly are, but it is not a healthy environment for a child to grow up in.

so single parents should have their kids removed?

I never said anything about kids being removed from anyone. Please form an argument.

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#35 Edited by lostrib (49999 posts) -

@christiangmr14 said:

@lostrib said:

@christiangmr14 said:

@Black_Alpha_G said:

@christiangmr14: So, if you want the government out of marriage entirely, you want all the benefits ALL married couples share? Like being able to flie taxes, visit your spouse in the hospital, and being able to adopt a child/children together? Because straight couples receive those. So why is "wrong" for gay couples? Just because you don't agree with, what you seem to think is a lifestyle choice, doesn't mean you should be able to decide who they want to marry, and spend their lives with. It should be their choice, and it should be legal.

I never said anything about people not being able to choose who they want to spend their lives with, please don't do that again.

I want the Government out of Marriage entirely, I coined it "Separation of Marriage and State", the only thing the Government should do is issue legal rights and benefits to couples, straight and gay. Marriage should be only between churches, synagogues, mosques etc...with no legal barrings or recognition by the State in anyway. It is wrong to use the Government to violate the definition of Marriage against the will of the people.

This would kill the issue entirely, it is the ultimate equality stance and it is the ultimate conservative stance as it is it the ultimate small Government stance.

Though I do not believe gay couples should adopt kids (haters gonna hate), a kid needs both a Mom and a Dad, it is essential to their upbringing and gay couples cannot provide that need. This does not mean that they are bad people or not loving, they certainly are, but it is not a healthy environment for a child to grow up in.

so single parents should have their kids removed?

I never said anything about kids being removed from anyone. Please form an argument.

you said kids need both a mom and dad, and a single parent can't provide for those needs

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#36 Posted by deactivated-5b19214ec908b (25072 posts) -

@christiangmr14 said:

@lostrib said:

@christiangmr14 said:

@Black_Alpha_G said:

@christiangmr14: So, if you want the government out of marriage entirely, you want all the benefits ALL married couples share? Like being able to flie taxes, visit your spouse in the hospital, and being able to adopt a child/children together? Because straight couples receive those. So why is "wrong" for gay couples? Just because you don't agree with, what you seem to think is a lifestyle choice, doesn't mean you should be able to decide who they want to marry, and spend their lives with. It should be their choice, and it should be legal.

I never said anything about people not being able to choose who they want to spend their lives with, please don't do that again.

I want the Government out of Marriage entirely, I coined it "Separation of Marriage and State", the only thing the Government should do is issue legal rights and benefits to couples, straight and gay. Marriage should be only between churches, synagogues, mosques etc...with no legal barrings or recognition by the State in anyway. It is wrong to use the Government to violate the definition of Marriage against the will of the people.

This would kill the issue entirely, it is the ultimate equality stance and it is the ultimate conservative stance as it is it the ultimate small Government stance.

Though I do not believe gay couples should adopt kids (haters gonna hate), a kid needs both a Mom and a Dad, it is essential to their upbringing and gay couples cannot provide that need. This does not mean that they are bad people or not loving, they certainly are, but it is not a healthy environment for a child to grow up in.

so single parents should have their kids removed?

I never said anything about kids being removed from anyone. Please form an argument.

You just said gays shouldn't be allowed kids. What you're saying is no better than "Blacks shouldn't be allowed kids because a child needs two white parents. Black parents will provide an unhealthy environment for the child to grow up in"

It's hateful nonsense.

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#37 Edited by ChristianGmr14 (157 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@christiangmr14 said:

@lostrib said:

@christiangmr14 said:

@Black_Alpha_G said:

@christiangmr14: So, if you want the government out of marriage entirely, you want all the benefits ALL married couples share? Like being able to flie taxes, visit your spouse in the hospital, and being able to adopt a child/children together? Because straight couples receive those. So why is "wrong" for gay couples? Just because you don't agree with, what you seem to think is a lifestyle choice, doesn't mean you should be able to decide who they want to marry, and spend their lives with. It should be their choice, and it should be legal.

I never said anything about people not being able to choose who they want to spend their lives with, please don't do that again.

I want the Government out of Marriage entirely, I coined it "Separation of Marriage and State", the only thing the Government should do is issue legal rights and benefits to couples, straight and gay. Marriage should be only between churches, synagogues, mosques etc...with no legal barrings or recognition by the State in anyway. It is wrong to use the Government to violate the definition of Marriage against the will of the people.

This would kill the issue entirely, it is the ultimate equality stance and it is the ultimate conservative stance as it is it the ultimate small Government stance.

Though I do not believe gay couples should adopt kids (haters gonna hate), a kid needs both a Mom and a Dad, it is essential to their upbringing and gay couples cannot provide that need. This does not mean that they are bad people or not loving, they certainly are, but it is not a healthy environment for a child to grow up in.

so single parents should have their kids removed?

I never said anything about kids being removed from anyone. Please form an argument.

you said kids need both a mom and dad, and a single parent can't provide for those needs

Yep. A single parent cannot provide for those needs and neither can a Dad and a Dad or a Mom and a Mom. A child needs both a Mom and a Dad.

What I said was " a kid needs both a Mom and a Dad, it is essential to their upbringing and gay couples cannot provide that need. This does not mean that they are bad people or not loving, they certainly are, but it is not a healthy environment for a child to grow up in."

I didn't state anything about kids being removed.....that was a big straw man fallacy.

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#38 Edited by deactivated-5b19214ec908b (25072 posts) -

@christiangmr14 said:

@lostrib said:

@christiangmr14 said:

@lostrib said:

@christiangmr14 said:

@Black_Alpha_G said:

@christiangmr14: So, if you want the government out of marriage entirely, you want all the benefits ALL married couples share? Like being able to flie taxes, visit your spouse in the hospital, and being able to adopt a child/children together? Because straight couples receive those. So why is "wrong" for gay couples? Just because you don't agree with, what you seem to think is a lifestyle choice, doesn't mean you should be able to decide who they want to marry, and spend their lives with. It should be their choice, and it should be legal.

I never said anything about people not being able to choose who they want to spend their lives with, please don't do that again.

I want the Government out of Marriage entirely, I coined it "Separation of Marriage and State", the only thing the Government should do is issue legal rights and benefits to couples, straight and gay. Marriage should be only between churches, synagogues, mosques etc...with no legal barrings or recognition by the State in anyway. It is wrong to use the Government to violate the definition of Marriage against the will of the people.

This would kill the issue entirely, it is the ultimate equality stance and it is the ultimate conservative stance as it is it the ultimate small Government stance.

Though I do not believe gay couples should adopt kids (haters gonna hate), a kid needs both a Mom and a Dad, it is essential to their upbringing and gay couples cannot provide that need. This does not mean that they are bad people or not loving, they certainly are, but it is not a healthy environment for a child to grow up in.

so single parents should have their kids removed?

I never said anything about kids being removed from anyone. Please form an argument.

you said kids need both a mom and dad, and a single parent can't provide for those needs

Yep. A single parent cannot provide for those needs and neither can a Dad and a Dad or a Mom and a Mom. A child needs both a Mom and a Dad.

What I said was " a kid needs both a Mom and a Dad, it is essential to their upbringing and gay couples cannot provide that need. This does not mean that they are bad people or not loving, they certainly are, but it is not a healthy environment for a child to grow up in."

I didn't state anything about kids being removed.....that was a big straw man fallacy.

Do you have any evidence for that? I assume the answer lies in your username.

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#39 Posted by lostrib (49999 posts) -

@christiangmr14 said:

@lostrib said:

@christiangmr14 said:

@lostrib said:

@christiangmr14 said:

@Black_Alpha_G said:

@christiangmr14: So, if you want the government out of marriage entirely, you want all the benefits ALL married couples share? Like being able to flie taxes, visit your spouse in the hospital, and being able to adopt a child/children together? Because straight couples receive those. So why is "wrong" for gay couples? Just because you don't agree with, what you seem to think is a lifestyle choice, doesn't mean you should be able to decide who they want to marry, and spend their lives with. It should be their choice, and it should be legal.

I never said anything about people not being able to choose who they want to spend their lives with, please don't do that again.

I want the Government out of Marriage entirely, I coined it "Separation of Marriage and State", the only thing the Government should do is issue legal rights and benefits to couples, straight and gay. Marriage should be only between churches, synagogues, mosques etc...with no legal barrings or recognition by the State in anyway. It is wrong to use the Government to violate the definition of Marriage against the will of the people.

This would kill the issue entirely, it is the ultimate equality stance and it is the ultimate conservative stance as it is it the ultimate small Government stance.

Though I do not believe gay couples should adopt kids (haters gonna hate), a kid needs both a Mom and a Dad, it is essential to their upbringing and gay couples cannot provide that need. This does not mean that they are bad people or not loving, they certainly are, but it is not a healthy environment for a child to grow up in.

so single parents should have their kids removed?

I never said anything about kids being removed from anyone. Please form an argument.

you said kids need both a mom and dad, and a single parent can't provide for those needs

Yep. A single parent cannot provide for those needs and neither can a Dad and a Dad or a Mom and a Mom. A child needs both a Mom and a Dad.

What I said was " a kid needs both a Mom and a Dad, it is essential to their upbringing and gay couples cannot provide that need. This does not mean that they are bad people or not loving, they certainly are, but it is not a healthy environment for a child to grow up in."

I didn't state anything about kids being removed.....that was a big straw man fallacy.

Except kids are removed from "unhealthy environments" so yes that is basically what you're saying

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#40 Posted by ChristianGmr14 (157 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@christiangmr14 said:

@lostrib said:

@christiangmr14 said:

@lostrib said:

@christiangmr14 said:

@Black_Alpha_G said:

@christiangmr14: So, if you want the government out of marriage entirely, you want all the benefits ALL married couples share? Like being able to flie taxes, visit your spouse in the hospital, and being able to adopt a child/children together? Because straight couples receive those. So why is "wrong" for gay couples? Just because you don't agree with, what you seem to think is a lifestyle choice, doesn't mean you should be able to decide who they want to marry, and spend their lives with. It should be their choice, and it should be legal.

I never said anything about people not being able to choose who they want to spend their lives with, please don't do that again.

I want the Government out of Marriage entirely, I coined it "Separation of Marriage and State", the only thing the Government should do is issue legal rights and benefits to couples, straight and gay. Marriage should be only between churches, synagogues, mosques etc...with no legal barrings or recognition by the State in anyway. It is wrong to use the Government to violate the definition of Marriage against the will of the people.

This would kill the issue entirely, it is the ultimate equality stance and it is the ultimate conservative stance as it is it the ultimate small Government stance.

Though I do not believe gay couples should adopt kids (haters gonna hate), a kid needs both a Mom and a Dad, it is essential to their upbringing and gay couples cannot provide that need. This does not mean that they are bad people or not loving, they certainly are, but it is not a healthy environment for a child to grow up in.

so single parents should have their kids removed?

I never said anything about kids being removed from anyone. Please form an argument.

you said kids need both a mom and dad, and a single parent can't provide for those needs

Yep. A single parent cannot provide for those needs and neither can a Dad and a Dad or a Mom and a Mom. A child needs both a Mom and a Dad.

What I said was " a kid needs both a Mom and a Dad, it is essential to their upbringing and gay couples cannot provide that need. This does not mean that they are bad people or not loving, they certainly are, but it is not a healthy environment for a child to grow up in."

I didn't state anything about kids being removed.....that was a big straw man fallacy.

Except kids are removed from "unhealthy environments" so yes that is basically what you're saying

No it's not. Show me where I said kids should be removed from their parents? Do you guys know how to form an actual argument? It's just been fallacious attacks so far.

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#41 Edited by deactivated-5b797108c254e (11245 posts) -

It's just your usual GS pattern. The longer a thread lasts, the more the shit piles up...

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@christiangmr14 said:

@lostrib said:

@christiangmr14 said:

Yep. A single parent cannot provide for those needs and neither can a Dad and a Dad or a Mom and a Mom. A child needs both a Mom and a Dad.

What I said was " a kid needs both a Mom and a Dad, it is essential to their upbringing and gay couples cannot provide that need. This does not mean that they are bad people or not loving, they certainly are, but it is not a healthy environment for a child to grow up in."

I didn't state anything about kids being removed.....that was a big straw man fallacy.

Except kids are removed from "unhealthy environments" so yes that is basically what you're saying

No it's not. Show me where I said kids should be removed from their parents? Do you guys know how to form an actual argument? It's just been fallacious attacks so far.

You said that it is a child's "need" and that living without a mom and a dad is "not a healthy environment for a child"

When children are not in a healthy environment that is grounds to remove them. Unless you're promoting keeping children in unhealthy environments.

They haven't been fallacious attacks, you just don't like having your own arguments thrown back at you

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#43 Posted by deactivated-5b19214ec908b (25072 posts) -

It's scary that so many bigots actually pretend to care about children. what he's saying isn't only harmful to gays but also children. Hate knows no bounds.

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#44 Posted by ChristianGmr14 (157 posts) -

@lostrib said:

@christiangmr14 said:

@lostrib said:

@christiangmr14 said:

Yep. A single parent cannot provide for those needs and neither can a Dad and a Dad or a Mom and a Mom. A child needs both a Mom and a Dad.

What I said was " a kid needs both a Mom and a Dad, it is essential to their upbringing and gay couples cannot provide that need. This does not mean that they are bad people or not loving, they certainly are, but it is not a healthy environment for a child to grow up in."

I didn't state anything about kids being removed.....that was a big straw man fallacy.

Except kids are removed from "unhealthy environments" so yes that is basically what you're saying

No it's not. Show me where I said kids should be removed from their parents? Do you guys know how to form an actual argument? It's just been fallacious attacks so far.

You said that it is a child's "need" and that living without a mom and a dad is "not a healthy environment for a child"

When children are not in a healthy environment that is grounds to remove them. Unless you're promoting keeping children in unhealthy environments.

They haven't been fallacious attacks, you just don't like having your own arguments thrown back at you

They are fallacies because once again show me where I stated anything about children being taken away from anyone? Until you can either show this (which you can't because I never stated such a thing) or you offer an actual legit argument to my original post, then there is nothing to discuss with you.

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#45 Posted by lostrib (49999 posts) -

@christiangmr14 said:

@lostrib said:

@christiangmr14 said:

@lostrib said:

@christiangmr14 said:

Yep. A single parent cannot provide for those needs and neither can a Dad and a Dad or a Mom and a Mom. A child needs both a Mom and a Dad.

What I said was " a kid needs both a Mom and a Dad, it is essential to their upbringing and gay couples cannot provide that need. This does not mean that they are bad people or not loving, they certainly are, but it is not a healthy environment for a child to grow up in."

I didn't state anything about kids being removed.....that was a big straw man fallacy.

Except kids are removed from "unhealthy environments" so yes that is basically what you're saying

No it's not. Show me where I said kids should be removed from their parents? Do you guys know how to form an actual argument? It's just been fallacious attacks so far.

You said that it is a child's "need" and that living without a mom and a dad is "not a healthy environment for a child"

When children are not in a healthy environment that is grounds to remove them. Unless you're promoting keeping children in unhealthy environments.

They haven't been fallacious attacks, you just don't like having your own arguments thrown back at you

They are fallacies because once again show me where I stated anything about children being taken away from anyone? Until you can either show this (which you can't because I never stated such a thing) or you offer an actual legit argument to my original post, then there is nothing to discuss with you.

It's the logical conclusion of your views. I just laid it out for you, twice.

And for someone who cries about a lack of argument, you do seem to be dodging questions that would point out the ridiculousness of your point of view

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@toast_burner said:

@GazaAli said:

@lostrib said:

@christiangmr14 said:

More violation of the will of the people by a corrupt activist judge. It's scary how people are alright with this, it's only a matter of time before they try to do this with something that we care for like the Right to Bear Arms or even Free Speech or Religion.

For the record, I support equality, I just want the Government out of Marriage entirely. Also Marriage beyond the definition is not a right.

So if the people voted to enslave black people, you'd be cool with that?

Have you been staking out the topic waiting for someone to come along and post a contentious reply in here?

It is a valid reply though.

I didn't bring up its validity though.

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#47 Posted by deactivated-5b19214ec908b (25072 posts) -

@GazaAli said:

@toast_burner said:

@GazaAli said:

@lostrib said:

@christiangmr14 said:

More violation of the will of the people by a corrupt activist judge. It's scary how people are alright with this, it's only a matter of time before they try to do this with something that we care for like the Right to Bear Arms or even Free Speech or Religion.

For the record, I support equality, I just want the Government out of Marriage entirely. Also Marriage beyond the definition is not a right.

So if the people voted to enslave black people, you'd be cool with that?

Have you been staking out the topic waiting for someone to come along and post a contentious reply in here?

It is a valid reply though.

I didn't bring up its validity though.

Then why complain?

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#48 Posted by ChristianGmr14 (157 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

@christiangmr14 said:

@lostrib said:

@christiangmr14 said:

@lostrib said:

@christiangmr14 said:

@Black_Alpha_G said:

@christiangmr14: So, if you want the government out of marriage entirely, you want all the benefits ALL married couples share? Like being able to flie taxes, visit your spouse in the hospital, and being able to adopt a child/children together? Because straight couples receive those. So why is "wrong" for gay couples? Just because you don't agree with, what you seem to think is a lifestyle choice, doesn't mean you should be able to decide who they want to marry, and spend their lives with. It should be their choice, and it should be legal.

I never said anything about people not being able to choose who they want to spend their lives with, please don't do that again.

I want the Government out of Marriage entirely, I coined it "Separation of Marriage and State", the only thing the Government should do is issue legal rights and benefits to couples, straight and gay. Marriage should be only between churches, synagogues, mosques etc...with no legal barrings or recognition by the State in anyway. It is wrong to use the Government to violate the definition of Marriage against the will of the people.

This would kill the issue entirely, it is the ultimate equality stance and it is the ultimate conservative stance as it is it the ultimate small Government stance.

Though I do not believe gay couples should adopt kids (haters gonna hate), a kid needs both a Mom and a Dad, it is essential to their upbringing and gay couples cannot provide that need. This does not mean that they are bad people or not loving, they certainly are, but it is not a healthy environment for a child to grow up in.

so single parents should have their kids removed?

I never said anything about kids being removed from anyone. Please form an argument.

you said kids need both a mom and dad, and a single parent can't provide for those needs

Yep. A single parent cannot provide for those needs and neither can a Dad and a Dad or a Mom and a Mom. A child needs both a Mom and a Dad.

What I said was " a kid needs both a Mom and a Dad, it is essential to their upbringing and gay couples cannot provide that need. This does not mean that they are bad people or not loving, they certainly are, but it is not a healthy environment for a child to grow up in."

I didn't state anything about kids being removed.....that was a big straw man fallacy.

Do you have any evidence for that? I assume the answer lies in your username.

Yes. The first primary evidence is within nature it's self. Only a man and a woman can produce offspring, no other combination works. It is obvious that this is how nature intends children to be raised. If you have a problem with this then it's just too bad, take it up with God and Nature, not me.

Secondly here are some sources to consider:

http://www.cfcidaho.org/why-children-need-male-and-female-parent

http://www.citizenlink.com/2010/06/15/mom-and-dad-kids-need-both/

http://www.christianpost.com/news/do-kids-need-both-a-mom-and-a-dad-mark-regnerus-discusses-his-controversial-study-at-erlc-summit-118375/

Finally what does my username have to do with anything? Because I'm a Christian? Does that bother you? If so that is not very tolerant and tough luck, I have the Right to be an open Christian just like you have the Right to be an open Muslim, or a Jew, or an atheist. I respect the Freedom of all religions, including the Freedoms of those who don't have a religion at all.

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#49 Posted by GazaAli (25216 posts) -

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It's scary that so many bigots actually pretend to care about children. what he's saying isn't only harmful to gays but also children. Hate knows no bounds.

You know, you can disagree, and strongly I might say, with someone without trying to undermine them at all cost. Why do you automatically presume that those who are not in line with your views on gay rights and whatever cannot care genuinely about the children or exhibit any other form of authentic concern? They may or may not be genuinely concerned about the children but how exactly are you able to tell? And again, why does it have to constitute hate?

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#50 Posted by GazaAli (25216 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

@GazaAli said:

@toast_burner said:

@GazaAli said:

Have you been staking out the topic waiting for someone to come along and post a contentious reply in here?

It is a valid reply though.

I didn't bring up its validity though.

Then why complain?

We can't complain about something unless we're addressing its validity now?