Will Africa, south/southeast Asia, and the Middle East be a lot better by 2050?

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#51 KC_Hokie
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yes i know hokie, its pretty hard to find those articles. 

try looking in the aether 

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No..it's extremely easy to find Christians fleeing due to being targeted articles.
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#52 Postal_Guy
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Probably not

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[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]Christians have been beheaded, raped, etc. in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya and Syria. And they're getting the hell out of those places too.KC_Hokie

cite some news stories.

Syria rebels 'beheaded a Christian and fed him to the dogs' as fears grow over Islamist atrocities

Egypts Christian Winter

Man Beheaded by Tunisian Muslims for Converting to Christianity

Tunisia and the Clash Within Civilizations

Syria: Christians fleeing country as crisis reaches "unprecedented levels of horror" 

Amid Instability In Egypt, Coptic Christians Flee To U.S.

Armenia tries to help as Christian Armenians flee Syria

 

Syrian and Coptic Christians fleeing to Moscow, but Russia lacks shelters

Coptic Christians Fleeing Egypt as Islamic Extremism Rises

Egypt's Coptic Christians fleeing country after Islamist takeover

 

 

Muslim Brotherhood and the killing and persecution of Christians in Egypt

Muslims behead Christian convert in Tunisia

Two Christians killed in Libya bomb blast

Christians targeted in Iraq attacks

A powerful bomb devastated a Christian neighborhood of this capital city of Lebanon

the bomb blast in beirut has nothing to do with attacking christians, it was political, and he was Sunni. 

As for the stories in Syria, they dont really count since there is an all out civil war going on. The man beheaded in Tunisia was a islamic convert (still barbaric, but not exactly the same as storming a christian house and killing everyone there. As for Iraq, I already mentioned thats a problem. 

As for all the stories about christians fleeing, that doesnt mean there have been rampant beheadings and rapes as you suggested. 

And as for Armenians fleeing Syria, that doesnt suggest theyre being targeted by rebels, it just means they want to get out of the way of incoming missiles. 

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#54 BossPerson
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[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

yes i know hokie, its pretty hard to find those articles. 

try looking in the aether 

KC_Hokie
No..it's extremely easy to find Christians fleeing due to being targeted articles.

i asked you to find me stories of christians being raped and beheaded, not fleeing.
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#55 KC_Hokie
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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]cite some news stories. BossPerson

Syria rebels 'beheaded a Christian and fed him to the dogs' as fears grow over Islamist atrocities

Egypts Christian Winter

Man Beheaded by Tunisian Muslims for Converting to Christianity

Tunisia and the Clash Within Civilizations

Syria: Christians fleeing country as crisis reaches "unprecedented levels of horror" 

Amid Instability In Egypt, Coptic Christians Flee To U.S.

Armenia tries to help as Christian Armenians flee Syria

 

Syrian and Coptic Christians fleeing to Moscow, but Russia lacks shelters

Coptic Christians Fleeing Egypt as Islamic Extremism Rises

Egypt's Coptic Christians fleeing country after Islamist takeover

 

 

Muslim Brotherhood and the killing and persecution of Christians in Egypt

Muslims behead Christian convert in Tunisia

Two Christians killed in Libya bomb blast

Christians targeted in Iraq attacks

A powerful bomb devastated a Christian neighborhood of this capital city of Lebanon

the bomb blast in beirut has nothing to do with attacking christians, it was political, and he was Sunni. 

As for the stories in Syria, they dont really count since there is an all out civil war going on. The man beheaded in Tunisia was a islamic convert (still barbaric, but not exactly the same as storming a christian house and killing everyone there. As for Iraq, I already mentioned thats a problem. 

As for all the stories about christians fleeing, that doesnt mean there have been rampant beheadings and rapes as you suggested. 

And as for Armenians fleeing Syria, that doesnt suggest theyre being targeted by rebels, it just means they want to get out of the way of incoming missiles. 

You can create excuses all you want. Fact is Christians are fleeing that part of the world left and right because they are being targeted as part of the arab 'spring'. And those countries are all becoming less diverse and more sectarian.

The area is getting worse not better.

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#56 KC_Hokie
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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]

yes i know hokie, its pretty hard to find those articles. 

try looking in the aether 

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No..it's extremely easy to find Christians fleeing due to being targeted articles.

i asked you to find me stories of christians being raped and beheaded, not fleeing.

They're fleeing because of being targeted which has included dismemberment, beheading and rape. If you actually attempted to read some of the articles I posted you would have read that.

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#58 KC_Hokie
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SHOW ME THE MOTHERFVCKING RAPE AND BEHEADINGS! THATS WHAT YOU FVCKING SAID IS GOING ON! 

holy christ on the fvcking cross  

BossPerson

Read the articles. Christians are being targeted, killed, dismembered, etc. and that's why they are leaving. Not because they all of sudden decided it was good time to move.

What is your explanation for why there is a mass exodus of Christians from that area over the last two years then?

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[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

SHOW ME THE MOTHERFVCKING RAPE AND BEHEADINGS! THATS WHAT YOU FVCKING SAID IS GOING ON! 

holy christ on the fvcking cross  

KC_Hokie

Read the articles. Christians are being targeted, killed, dismembered, etc. and that's why they are leaving. Not because they all of sudden decided it was good time to move.

What is your explanation for why there is a mass exodus of Christians from that area over the last two years then?

because they know its going to get worse for them a la persecution. Not because there has been a rampage of barbaric attacks on them as you suggested.
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#60 jun_aka_pekto
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My wife is from the Philippines. Hopefully, that place will improve. I'm not fond of living in the tropics. But, it's an option I considered if hard times befell us here in the US. My wife owns a logging business (along with substantial forest property) there. We'd have a place to live plus Guam isn't too far away to visit if I start to miss US life. 

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#61 KC_Hokie
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[QUOTE="KC_Hokie"]

[QUOTE="BossPerson"]

SHOW ME THE MOTHERFVCKING RAPE AND BEHEADINGS! THATS WHAT YOU FVCKING SAID IS GOING ON! 

holy christ on the fvcking cross  

BossPerson

Read the articles. Christians are being targeted, killed, dismembered, etc. and that's why they are leaving. Not because they all of sudden decided it was good time to move.

What is your explanation for why there is a mass exodus of Christians from that area over the last two years then?

because they know its going to get worse for them a la persecution. Not because there has been a rampage of barbaric attacks on them as you suggested.

That doesn't make sense. Why would people living there for over 1,000 years all of a sudden in multiple countries DECIDE things MIGHT get worse?

Things already have and they've been targeted and killed.

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#62 Marth6781
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Europe has to pick up the slack it helped create. But the countries with vast material resources are already on the come up, Nigeria, India, egypt, etc.
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#63 indzman
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where is gaza ali? :|

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#64 Nayef_shroof
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TC, I'd suggest you don't generalize and make ignorant assertions about entire regions. The Middle East is not living in 700 A.D., and, excluding Saudi Arabia and Iran, women aren't oppressed.  That's an incredibly ludicrous assumption. Many regions in the Middle East are rather developed and don't have issues with "radical Islam" :roll:. 

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#65 BossPerson
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TC, I'd suggest you don't generalize and make ignorant assertions about entire regions. The Middle East is not living in 700 A.D., and, excluding Saudi Arabia and Iran, women aren't oppressed.  That's an incredibly ludicrous assumption. Many regions in the Middle East are rather developed and don't have issues with "radical Islam" :roll:. 

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lol lets relax. There is still huge oppression of women in most areas. Even among families, daughters are still treated as less than sons.
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[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

TC, I'd suggest you don't generalize and make ignorant assertions about entire regions. The Middle East is not living in 700 A.D., and, excluding Saudi Arabia and Iran, women aren't oppressed.  That's an incredibly ludicrous assumption. Many regions in the Middle East are rather developed and don't have issues with "radical Islam" :roll:. 

BossPerson
lol lets relax. There is still huge oppression of women in most areas. Even among families, daughters are still treated as less than sons.

True enough, but the lines get more blurry between treatment of women in the Middle East and treatment of women everywhere else. Since it is deplorable everywhere I have a hard time feeling like I have the high ground in judging other countries (excepting the theocracies).
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#67 jun_aka_pekto
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[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

TC, I'd suggest you don't generalize and make ignorant assertions about entire regions. The Middle East is not living in 700 A.D., and, excluding Saudi Arabia and Iran, women aren't oppressed.  That's an incredibly ludicrous assumption. Many regions in the Middle East are rather developed and don't have issues with "radical Islam" :roll:. 

BossPerson

lol lets relax. There is still huge oppression of women in most areas. Even among families, daughters are still treated as less than sons.

Googling female overseas workers abuses brings out a lot of em.

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Beheading of an indonesian maid

Indonesian Maids Suffer Violent Abuse In Saudi Arabia

Disgusting Lebanese- Abuse of a Domestic Worker in Beirut

 


 

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jun_aka_pekto
thats just general racism more than anything. Foreign workers are treated like crap all over the middle east.
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#70 osirisx3
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As long as the west is in power no it wont. We only live the way we do but stepping on the toes of poor nations. China is investing huge into africa maybe there is hope for them.

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#71 Wings_008
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if the US could keep it's greasy hand off it, maybe they will have a chance!
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#72 MakeMeaSammitch
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africa - maybe. There are alot of people making the right moves and some countries are developing significantly. at the same time though, aids, religion and stupid social habits are reeking havoc.

Middle east - no. I honestly think alot of the issue stems from religion and I don't see that going anywhere. They rely on natural resources too heavily which will be mainly gone by then. They are treating women like crap and keeping them uneducated, that's gonna bite them in the @ss.

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#74 MakeMeaSammitch
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TC, I'd suggest you don't generalize and make ignorant assertions about entire regions. The Middle East is not living in 700 A.D., and, excluding Saudi Arabia and Iran, women aren't oppressed.  That's an incredibly ludicrous assumption. Many regions in the Middle East are rather developed and don't have issues with "radical Islam" :roll:. 

Nayef_shroof

being serious for a sec.

I'm seeing a trend among muslims. Not all are guilty of this, but enough do it to be noteworthy.

Denying problems with their culture and blaming others rather than seek solutions.

Shroof would be an excellent example. denying that women aren't treated like crap in afghanastan where girls fear to go to school in light of having acid thrown in their faces.

Is this a major reason the middle east is so backwards? Something in the culture discourages self criticism?

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africa - maybe. There are alot of people making the right moves and some countries are developing significantly. at the same time though, aids, religion and stupid social habits are reeking havoc.

Middle east - no. I honestly think alot of the issue stems from religion and I don't see that going anywhere. They rely on natural resources too heavily which will be mainly gone by then. They are treating women like crap and keeping them uneducated, that's gonna bite them in the @ss.

MakeMeaSammitch
the aids problem could have been dealt with if it weren't for the blockade imposed by the pharmaceutical industry and the US
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#76 MakeMeaSammitch
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[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

africa - maybe. There are alot of people making the right moves and some countries are developing significantly. at the same time though, aids, religion and stupid social habits are reeking havoc.

Middle east - no. I honestly think alot of the issue stems from religion and I don't see that going anywhere. They rely on natural resources too heavily which will be mainly gone by then. They are treating women like crap and keeping them uneducated, that's gonna bite them in the @ss.

thebest31406

the aids problem could have been dealt with if it weren't for the blockade imposed by the pharmaceutical industry and the US

I could have been delt with if not for the catholic church and the spread of rumors that raping virgins cures aids, or that aids are in the condom.

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#77 MakeMeaSammitch
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[QUOTE="jun_aka_pekto"]

YouTube too:

Abusing Workers in Dubai

Saudi Arabia employers 'hammer nails' into Sri Lankan maid

Beheading of an indonesian maid

Indonesian Maids Suffer Violent Abuse In Saudi Arabia

Disgusting Lebanese- Abuse of a Domestic Worker in Beirut

 


 

BossPerson

thats just general racism more than anything. Foreign workers are treated like crap all over the middle east.

Which is also very bad and discourages other countries to come to their aide.

It doesn't make it any better when you say "don't worry they're not killing christians only humanitarian and low level workers over skin color and nationality."

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[QUOTE="thebest31406"][QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

africa - maybe. There are alot of people making the right moves and some countries are developing significantly. at the same time though, aids, religion and stupid social habits are reeking havoc.

Middle east - no. I honestly think alot of the issue stems from religion and I don't see that going anywhere. They rely on natural resources too heavily which will be mainly gone by then. They are treating women like crap and keeping them uneducated, that's gonna bite them in the @ss.

MakeMeaSammitch

the aids problem could have been dealt with if it weren't for the blockade imposed by the pharmaceutical industry and the US

I could have been delt with if not for the catholic church and the spread of rumors that raping virgins cures aids, or that aids are in the condom.

ummm.....eh?
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#79 nooblet69
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Those areas of the world seem beyond repair imo unless there was some serious mass extinction event.

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[QUOTE="Nayef_shroof"]

TC, I'd suggest you don't generalize and make ignorant assertions about entire regions. The Middle East is not living in 700 A.D., and, excluding Saudi Arabia and Iran, women aren't oppressed.  That's an incredibly ludicrous assumption. Many regions in the Middle East are rather developed and don't have issues with "radical Islam" :roll:. 

MakeMeaSammitch

being serious for a sec.

I'm seeing a trend among muslims. Not all are guilty of this, but enough do it to be noteworthy.

Denying problems with their culture and blaming others rather than seek solutions.

Shroof would be an excellent example. denying that women aren't treated like crap in afghanastan where girls fear to go to school in light of having acid thrown in their faces.

Is this a major reason the middle east is so backwards? Something in the culture discourages self criticism?

Afghanistan isn't generally regarded in the Middle East...
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#81 Fightingfan
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Africa well never achieve the success of the western world. Africa has too many tangible assets that help stimulate the economy, and they lack a government.

The middle east will remain conservative for the rest of their life span.

I see Mexico and Brazil become potential superpowers in the future.

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#82 Lonelynight
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Don't put SEA with Africa and South Asia please
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#83 Darkman2007
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not a smart question , taking 3 regions which are very different and have different issues

 

I don't think South Asia suffers from the tribal/religious issues the Middle East does, and the Middle East doesn't suffer from the AIDS epidemic like Africa does.

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#84 dramaybaz
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Sure, as US loses its foothold, in time they will be better.
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Their living standards won't be as high as that of Europeans or North Americans by 2050 or even perhaps the end of the century, but the gap is closing at an extremely rapid pace with even the slowest growing of those regions having double the growth of their Western rivals.

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Africa and Middle East always gonna sux IMO..
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Their living standards won't be as high as that of Europeans or North Americans by 2050 or even perhaps the end of the century, but the gap is closing at an extremely rapid pace with even the slowest growing of those regions having double the growth of their Western rivals.

Barbariser
Do you think it's possible for living standard in Europe to continue to rise even with their economic situation?
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Don't put SEA with Africa and South Asia pleaseLonelynight
Well certain countries of SEA can be grouped with Africa/South Asia. Countries such as Cambodia, Laos, and Myanmar are far from being in great situations. 

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[QUOTE="Barbariser"]

Their living standards won't be as high as that of Europeans or North Americans by 2050 or even perhaps the end of the century, but the gap is closing at an extremely rapid pace with even the slowest growing of those regions having double the growth of their Western rivals.

Lonelynight

Do you think it's possible for living standard in Europe to continue to rise even with their economic situation?

The European Sovereign Debt Crisis is a temporary situation that definitely won't last for more than a few years, and in the long run the GDP per capita almost alwyays rises, so yes Europe in 2050 will be better off than Europe today.

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Better how.

Become more like the west?

I think the west and east will pretty much merge and move towards each other culturally, to some kind of center.

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Get rid of isreal and half this **** will be solved.

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#92 BossPerson
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Get rid of isreal and half this **** will be solved.

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i've heard you say some dumb things before, but this takes the cake
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#94 Allthishate
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[QUOTE="Allthishate"]

Get rid of isreal and half this **** will be solved.

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i've heard you say some dumb things before, but this takes the cake

i know right half of the stuff said on OT is any better.
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[QUOTE="BossPerson"][QUOTE="Allthishate"]

Get rid of isreal and half this **** will be solved.

Allthishate
i've heard you say some dumb things before, but this takes the cake

i know right half of the stuff said on OT is any better.

saying youre only as stupid the bottom half of OT doesn't make you smart. that said, I wouldn't say half, Id put you somerhere at the bottom, though whether youre like that because youre not smart or simply a nut.....well , I will let you answer that one
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[QUOTE="Allthishate"][QUOTE="BossPerson"]i've heard you say some dumb things before, but this takes the cake Darkman2007
i know right half of the stuff said on OT is any better.

saying youre only as stupid the bottom half of OT doesn't make you smart. that said, I wouldn't say half, Id put you somerhere at the bottom, though whether youre like that because youre not smart or simply a nut.....well , I will let you answer that one

Bait sinked and hooked. you responded faster then anticipated. are u in the bunkers again cuz fireworks ? intresting u didnt respond to that IDF sniper picture thread so much for not targeting civilians :S:S
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#97 Darkman2007
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[QUOTE="Allthishate"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Allthishate"] i know right half of the stuff said on OT is any better.

saying youre only as stupid the bottom half of OT doesn't make you smart. that said, I wouldn't say half, Id put you somerhere at the bottom, though whether youre like that because youre not smart or simply a nut.....well , I will let you answer that one

Bait sinked and hooked. you responded faster then anticipated. are u in the bunkers again cuz fireworks ? intresting u didnt respond to that IDF sniper picture thread so much for not targeting civilians :S:S

actually I did, go ahead and read it if you want (lying about Jews is not smart, try not to do it often)
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#98 Allthishate
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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Allthishate"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] saying youre only as stupid the bottom half of OT doesn't make you smart. that said, I wouldn't say half, Id put you somerhere at the bottom, though whether youre like that because youre not smart or simply a nut.....well , I will let you answer that one

Bait sinked and hooked. you responded faster then anticipated. are u in the bunkers again cuz fireworks ? intresting u didnt respond to that IDF sniper picture thread so much for not targeting civilians :S:S

actually I did, go ahead and read it if you want (lying about Jews is not smart, try not to do it often)

What will u do steal more of our tax dollars rofl ...
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#99 Darkman2007
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[QUOTE="Allthishate"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Allthishate"] Bait sinked and hooked. you responded faster then anticipated. are u in the bunkers again cuz fireworks ? intresting u didnt respond to that IDF sniper picture thread so much for not targeting civilians :S:S

actually I did, go ahead and read it if you want (lying about Jews is not smart, try not to do it often)

What will u do steal more of our tax dollars rofl ...

no , I will use my evil agents across the US (you know , the ones who rule you) to find you and make you disappear for a long, long time :P again , just because youre upset at us Jews doesn't make you right, it makes you stupid.
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#100 Allthishate
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[QUOTE="Darkman2007"][QUOTE="Allthishate"][QUOTE="Darkman2007"] actually I did, go ahead and read it if you want (lying about Jews is not smart, try not to do it often)

What will u do steal more of our tax dollars rofl ...

no , I will use my evil agents across the US (you know , the ones who rule you) to find you and make you disappear for a long, long time :P again , just because youre upset at us Jews doesn't make you right, it makes you stupid.

na upset at Israel learn the diff thanks.