why many people are becoming atheists nowadays ?

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#201 Posted by BritishLurker (162 posts) -

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reason ? :|

indzman

Just because?

explain ...

Do you believe in Thor?
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#202 Posted by ziggyww (907 posts) -

I have always been a atheist I just don't believe in a god or a heaven and hell.

To me that just seems like a crazy story IMHO. Also throughout the years religion has been responsible for millions and millions of deaths.

If god does exist and I'm wrong I would still think he's an arse and want nothing to do with a prick like him.

I also can't stand these people that do good deeds and say its because of their friendly christian upbringing and its a selfless act and being christian and helping the needed because that is such bullcrap. They are doing it because only a good christian goes to heaven and helping the needed kinda covers that but they hide what is a selfish act behind this christian bullcrap. 

I do a few things now and then and help out in my own ways but do I think I will go to heaven or get anything out of it when I die...NO im going to be stuck in the ground feeding the worms. 

Sorry guys its my pet peeve when i hear  religious people saying they are doing these good deeds out of the kindness of their hearts etc etc etc because they are only trying to be a good whatever it is that they follow to benefit from it later when they pass in the heaven, reincarnated so on and so forth. I will say im sure there are plenty of religious people that are kind just because that is who they are as a person but I think the clear selfless and kind hearted people of this world are atheists who just let get people get on with what they want to get on with and when they commit good deeds they don't expect anything in return be that in this life or the next. 

If atheist's had a book that they lived their lives by it would be one page that would read

"You only got one life before time will forget you so enjoy it and do what you want with it just don't be a ass to other people about it" 

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#203 Posted by deactivated-5acbb9993d0bd (12449 posts) -

[QUOTE="JasonDarksavior"]As we learn more about the world around us, the more it seems unlikely that a higher power exists.GrayF0X786

actually it is the opposite, as more we learn about the universe the more likely there is a creator.

............ I can see how you could say that in the sense that "There could be, however all the existing ones are hogwash inconsistent clones of eachother, and that human beings have nowhere near the evidence or knowledge to know that theirs, or any other of the 100s of combinations are correct either" . But let me guess, I think you are muslim right? ... so you must be right.
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#204 Posted by NaveedLife (17179 posts) -

I couldn't ignore the Catholics total lack of self-control and bigoted viewpoints anymore. Even without the pedophilia, the Catholic faith is, just like most Christian denominations, totally close-minded and bereft of new thoughts and ways of doing things. I disagree too much with it to support it and most religions are just the same song and dance with a different facade. 

starfox15

No offense to catholics, cause they can choose to practice their religion how they please and not all are the same, but I agree that the catholic faith is a bit odd. At least for me it is.  I just don't like the feel of it.  It feels more like business than it does a bunch of friends and family.  I am Christian (not catholic though) and it is completely different feeling.  Everyone seems close and the sermons are not just *read verse, sing, kneel, stand, kneel, sing, read verse, see ya*, rather they are more like a down to earth talk between the pastor and the others.  especially at my church.  He knows how to make it funny at times, serious at others, and doesn't take himself too seriously up there.  he connects so much of it to his life and things people can relate to.  Which brings me to my next point, which is that I hardly go to church now.  I don't believe it is necessary (though definitely not bad or anything) like some people do.  

 

Some people believe the bible is 100% true and nothing is to be gone against, but the bottom line is that there are going to be mistakes made, translation errors, some lies, and so on.  Even Science has innacuracies and lies in it.  Thigns we realize are not true like we thought they were.  I am simply saying, not ALL christians are the same.

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#205 Posted by Evil_Saluki (5217 posts) -

Can shelf me under "living with my senses" so not following any religion as such, but got to thank Christianity for all the holidays and easy Dues Ex Machina for the books and movies who can't think of any other way of expressing evil then say it's from Hell.

Saying that, this living with senses thing has brought me supertitions of my own. I know what Teller once said, "luck is just a satistic taken personally" but I don't feel that, I am a strong believer in luck and feel it can be influenced. Sometimes, you feel lucky, and sometimes you can almost feel misfortune hanging over you like a dark shroud. I play Poker and Magic the Gathering at a competitive level and when I feel that dark shroud I know to step back. If I'm midgame I've been known to say that I lost this already, 9 times out of ten I predict exactly how I am going to lose it because it's what my bad luck is going to bring me, like it's what I deserved for some reason.

I can go into depth with this and I've been here before. I know the counter argument is how we tend to remember one side of it and forget the rest, yeah I read cracked.com also but I am still not buying it. Luck is here, there is something about it.

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#206 Posted by Buckhannah (715 posts) -
[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] That person doesn't owe anyone anything to explain themselves. They keep their views to themselves and believe what they want. If you can't agree on that then you are a very sad person.

Well there is your problem. Especially in the red states of the USA, they DO NOT keep it to themselves. They shove it down everyone's throat through the law.
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#207 Posted by Buckhannah (715 posts) -

[QUOTE="JasonDarksavior"]As we learn more about the world around us, the more it seems unlikely that a higher power exists.GrayF0X786

actually it is the opposite, as more we learn about the universe the more likely there is a creator.

Yep, praise be to Zeus.
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#208 Posted by mrbojangles25 (40351 posts) -

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] That person doesn't owe anyone anything to explain themselves. They keep their views to themselves and believe what they want. If you can't agree on that then you are a very sad person.Buckhannah
Well there is your problem. Especially in the red states of the USA, they DO NOT keep it to themselves. They shove it down everyone's throat through the law.

pretty much this.

hard to be objective when your values are warped by religeous beliefs.  Just looks at what is going on now with civil rights and same-sex marriage.

It takes a complete idiot about five seconds via critical thinking to realize, objectively, that same sex marriage will have no negative impact on his or her life, and yet some of the smartest people I know oppose it because of their religion.  It boggles my mind.

What is worse, is that if Jesus were walking around, I think he'd be fine with it!  He'd problably be pretty pissed with the state of things, actually.

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#209 Posted by bnarmz (1372 posts) -
[QUOTE="indzman"]

Example U.S ( religiosity is on decline in U.S while atheism is on the rise ). Why are people losing faith in god/religion ?

Whats your opinion OT?  

Maybe because the figure heads representing the higher good are often seen doing low down dirty stuff. Imo, God (or whatever name you give it) is a part of everyone, we are the extension of the all mighty. To find "God" one must look within him/herself. You can't learn/find the almighty on the outside because the outside is a done deal, reality is only a reflection of what we think, it's the result of our free will. What we allow to happen and don't happen is a power we all have but often use it poorly due to disempowerment and confusion. You can't learn of such a entitiy of self when trying to understand it from someone else's prospective. This is a personal journey, and it has always been that way. Religion is corrupted and I suspect many people's higher awareness is showing them this. You don't need a church to be in the company of the all mighty, the body is God's temple. It's just too bad so many don't treat it that, probably because of years of subtle indoctrination.
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#210 Posted by Cyberdot (3928 posts) -

Because religion is stupid.

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#211 Posted by MrGeezer (59304 posts) -
And tbh, I've always suspected that the anti-gay thing was less about religion and more about just not liking gays. Sure, people bring up passages from their religious texts. But considering how muuch they pick and choose which parts they're gonna follow, I've always suspected that they just choose to follow those parts because they already have a problem with gays.
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#212 Posted by -Sun_Tzu- (17384 posts) -
[QUOTE="MrGeezer"]And tbh, I've always suspected that the anti-gay thing was less about religion and more about just not liking gays. Sure, people bring up passages from their religious texts. But considering how muuch they pick and choose which parts they're gonna follow, I've always suspected that they just choose to follow those parts because they already have a problem with gays.

The rank-in-file Christian isn't the one picking and choosing what parts they're going to follow though, the passages are already chosen for them. It's not inaccurate to say that religion itself is teaching otherwise decent people to hate gays.
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#213 Posted by MrGeezer (59304 posts) -
[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] The rank-in-file Christian isn't the one picking and choosing what parts they're going to follow though, the passages are already chosen for them. It's not inaccurate to say that religion itself is teaching otherwise decent people to hate gays.

I've never exactly gotten the impression that most Christians are fanatical about it and try to follow every single passage. Most Christians seem to be pretty "casual" about it, only following the parts that they find to be convenient or already agree with. If you're talking about the die hard fundamentalist wackos, then I'll agree with you. But I've always gotten the impression that those people make up a pretty small percentage of "Christians." I'll wager that a hell of a lot of christians who oppose gays haven't even read the Bible.
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#214 Posted by -Sun_Tzu- (17384 posts) -

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] The rank-in-file Christian isn't the one picking and choosing what parts they're going to follow though, the passages are already chosen for them. It's not inaccurate to say that religion itself is teaching otherwise decent people to hate gays. MrGeezer
I've never exactly gotten the impression that most Christians are fanatical about it and try to follow every single passage. Most Christians seem to be pretty "casual" about it, only following the parts that they find to be convenient or already agree with. If you're talking about the die hard fundamentalist wackos, then I'll agree with you. But I've always gotten the impression that those people make up a pretty small percentage of "Christians." I'll wager that a hell of a lot of christians who oppose gays haven't even read the Bible.

I don't really know how to reply to your post because it's mostly just made up of unsubstantiated conjecture. I will say this though - there does appear to be a correlation between religiosity and anti-gay sentiments. The more religious a demographic is the more likely individuals from that demographic support discriminating against gays. You said earlier that "the anti-gay thing" was less about religion and more about just not liking gays - well why don't these people like gays in the first place? What good reason is there to not like gay people? That kind of blind, irrational hatred is peculiar - how do you get people to act like that? Historically, the popular answer has been religion. You look at every atrocity in human history and you will find the priest class rationalizing it, and that's not an exaggeration - one of the main purposes that organized religion (and institutions like it) serve(s), if not the main purpose is to give despicable ideas the appearance of respectability so they can be distributed for mass consumption. 

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#215 Posted by deactivated-58061ea11c905 (999 posts) -

Because religion has become useless and is also being contradicted by modern science.

Also now we know how the human body works and especially how the human brain works so there is no need for religion anymore.

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#216 Posted by wis3boi (32507 posts) -

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] The rank-in-file Christian isn't the one picking and choosing what parts they're going to follow though, the passages are already chosen for them. It's not inaccurate to say that religion itself is teaching otherwise decent people to hate gays. MrGeezer
I've never exactly gotten the impression that most Christians are fanatical about it and try to follow every single passage. Most Christians seem to be pretty "casual" about it, only following the parts that they find to be convenient or already agree with. If you're talking about the die hard fundamentalist wackos, then I'll agree with you. But I've always gotten the impression that those people make up a pretty small percentage of "Christians." I'll wager that a hell of a lot of christians who oppose gays haven't even read the Bible.

pretty sure I read somehwere that only about 11% of american christians have read the entire book

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#217 Posted by Perfect_Blue (30465 posts) -

[QUOTE="indzman"]

[QUOTE="Michael0134567"]

Just because?

BritishLurker

explain ...

Do you believe in Thor?

I'd sure hope so. I mean, who was that in The Avengers if it wasn't Thor?

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#218 Posted by charizard1605 (82666 posts) -
It's very hard to understand unless you've been exposed extensively to organized Christianity.
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#219 Posted by KHAndAnime (17565 posts) -
Also, on Sunday, the church goers up my block create annoying and possibly dangerous driving situations on my street by parking illegally on a busy street corner (in front of a fire hydrant), giving no room for 2 cars to pass each other on the road. Literally happens every Sunday. So much for being courteous.
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#220 Posted by The__Kraken (858 posts) -

I have a problem with the whole "...becoming atheists" bit.

It seems to me that there are not more people becoming atheist, rather, there are more people not becoming religious. And a reason for that is education. Another reason could deal with parents and others not forcing any religious beliefs upon their children, and allow them to use their own mind to find their own beliefs or whatever.

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#221 Posted by wis3boi (32507 posts) -

I have a problem with the whole "...becoming atheists" bit.

It seems to me that there are not more people becoming atheist, rather, there are more people not becoming religious. And a reason for that is education. Another reason could deal with parents and others not forcing any religious beliefs upon their children, and allow them to use their own mind to find their own beliefs or whatever.

The__Kraken

All through high school, college, hell even middle school and earlier, my experience with yong people is that the vast majority (at least here in new england) are not religious at all.  Churches are basically empty, etc.  The only reason the world hangs onto these religious traditions is because of childhood indoctrination.  If one isn't brought up in the mindset and is simply taught well in school what the facts are and everything we know about existence, they are far less likely to become theistic.

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#222 Posted by NaveedLife (17179 posts) -

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I have a problem with the whole "...becoming atheists" bit.

It seems to me that there are not more people becoming atheist, rather, there are more people not becoming religious. And a reason for that is education. Another reason could deal with parents and others not forcing any religious beliefs upon their children, and allow them to use their own mind to find their own beliefs or whatever.

wis3boi

All through high school, college, hell even middle school and earlier, my experience with yong people is that the vast majority (at least here in new england) are not religious at all.  Churches are basically empty, etc.  The only reason the world hangs onto these religious traditions is because of childhood indoctrination.  If one isn't brought up in the mindset and is simply taught well in school what the facts are and everything we know about existence, they are far less likely to become theistic.

Sure, if we don't teach kids about history and theories they will never know it, obviously.  

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#223 Posted by Toxic-Seahorse (5011 posts) -

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

[QUOTE="The__Kraken"]

I have a problem with the whole "...becoming atheists" bit.

It seems to me that there are not more people becoming atheist, rather, there are more people not becoming religious. And a reason for that is education. Another reason could deal with parents and others not forcing any religious beliefs upon their children, and allow them to use their own mind to find their own beliefs or whatever.

NaveedLife

All through high school, college, hell even middle school and earlier, my experience with yong people is that the vast majority (at least here in new england) are not religious at all.  Churches are basically empty, etc.  The only reason the world hangs onto these religious traditions is because of childhood indoctrination.  If one isn't brought up in the mindset and is simply taught well in school what the facts are and everything we know about existence, they are far less likely to become theistic.

Sure, if we don't teach kids about history and theories they will never know it, obviously.  

That's not what he meant. teaching kids about different religions is not the same as parents indoctrinating their kids to their desired religion when they're growing up. The fact is, unless you are raised in a family that forced you to go to church (indoctrinated), it's not going to be very likely that you would beleive in a magical man that grants wishes and created life. It's just stupid.

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#224 Posted by wis3boi (32507 posts) -

[QUOTE="NaveedLife"]

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]

All through high school, college, hell even middle school and earlier, my experience with yong people is that the vast majority (at least here in new england) are not religious at all.  Churches are basically empty, etc.  The only reason the world hangs onto these religious traditions is because of childhood indoctrination.  If one isn't brought up in the mindset and is simply taught well in school what the facts are and everything we know about existence, they are far less likely to become theistic.

Toxic-Seahorse

Sure, if we don't teach kids about history and theories they will never know it, obviously.  

That's not what he meant. teaching kids about different religions is not the same as parents indoctrinating their kids to their desired religion when they're growing up.

 

Mhm.  Teach them about all the world's religions.  My parents actually taught me about none of them...even their own.  They sent me to Catechism...or as I liked to call it "the atheist factory"

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#225 Posted by GrayF0X786 (4185 posts) -

[QUOTE="silentobi"]

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"] Sorry, I don't see how telling people to openly mock religion can be beneficial for anyone. How do people having a religion be intolerable? ShadowsDemon

He encourages people to question religon not mock it. Even though its pretty much asking to be mocked. 

I don't think so/ Sounds like mocking to me.

he should bring his tough iron balls to Mecca and say that lol.

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#226 Posted by sonicare (55924 posts) -

[QUOTE="ShadowsDemon"][QUOTE="silentobi"] He encourages people to question religon not mock it. Even though its pretty much asking to be mocked. 

GrayF0X786

I don't think so/ Sounds like mocking to me.

he should bring his tough iron balls to Mecca and say that lol.

What's sad is that some people will kill you just because they disagree with what you have to say. It takes bigger balls to act in a civilized fashion and realize that not every person will hold your same beliefs.
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#227 Posted by 1-UPking82 (102 posts) -

it's the trendy thing to do.comp_atkins

This.

It's the "cool" thing to do, mainly this is in younger people, especially young college hipster kids who do it to feel special (there are defiintely some of them on this site). They look at people like Maher or Dawkins as their "popes" and follow them. The thing that get's a bit under my skin about them is how many misconceptions these people spew about religoius people, that we are all somehow unedeucated West Boro Wackos who want to kill gays. The average Christian/Jew/Muslim is nothing like that.

I would love to invite these atheists to my church where they can see what we are really like, loving and acceptin, but also broken people (we all are even if you don't know it) who are trying to grow with God. God can change your life, you just have to give Him a chance.

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#228 Posted by Nuck81 (6983 posts) -
Information is easier to come by than ever before, and many people, especially younger ones, like to educate themselves.
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#229 Posted by FuggaJ (318 posts) -

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]it's the trendy thing to do.1-UPking82

This.

It's the "cool" thing to do, mainly this is in younger people, especially young college hipster kids who do it to feel special (there are defiintely some of them on this site). They look at people like Maher or Dawkins as their "popes" and follow them. The thing that get's a bit under my skin about them is how many misconceptions these people spew about religoius people, that we are all somehow unedeucated West Boro Wackos who want to kill gays. The average Christian/Jew/Muslim is nothing like that.

I would love to invite these atheists to my church where they can see what we are really like, loving and acceptin, but also broken people (we all are even if you don't know it) who are trying to grow with God. God can change your life, you just have to give Him a chance.

While you all may be kind, loving, and accepting people I don't see why you would need religion to be that way. It's not that atheists view everyone involved in religion as uneducated but in my experience it's that they don't challenge their views or have any real sound reasoning to believe in said views.

EDIT: And I'm sure some are atheist for the fringe factor I assure you it is not the majority.

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#230 Posted by 1-UPking82 (102 posts) -

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Atheism will never be a mayority, and I'm okay with that. More people are becoming irreligious which is a great thing. I'd actually prefer secularism and a belief in god, over a religious mayority. 

Also Religion is just meh, now a belief in a deity isn't anything I'm against. If people want to believe in a god or gods, then more power to them. As long as it doesn't become fanatical. 

KHAndAnime

Never say never. Give it a century or so, atheism will be significantly more prevalent than it is now.

It probably will as this is what was predicted in the Bible. The world will follow the false prophet and mislead them, this will be a time of pure secularism in which Christians and other religions will  become the minority and will be persecuted and killed. This happened in the Soviet Union which killed Christians, Jews and other religious groups too. It will probably happen again.

Being a Christian today is actually being on the minority and rebellious side as the world is constantly growing agaisnt us.

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#231 Posted by sonicare (55924 posts) -

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]it's the trendy thing to do.1-UPking82

This.

It's the "cool" thing to do, mainly this is in younger people, especially young college hipster kids who do it to feel special (there are defiintely some of them on this site). They look at people like Maher or Dawkins as their "popes" and follow them. The thing that get's a bit under my skin about them is how many misconceptions these people spew about religoius people, that we are all somehow unedeucated West Boro Wackos who want to kill gays. The average Christian/Jew/Muslim is nothing like that.

I would love to invite these atheists to my church where they can see what we are really like, loving and acceptin, but also broken people (we all are even if you don't know it) who are trying to grow with God. God can change your life, you just have to give Him a chance.

Isnt it hypocritical for you to complain that they marginalize all religous people, but then do the exact same to them?
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#232 Posted by toast_burner (24932 posts) -

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]it's the trendy thing to do.1-UPking82

This.

It's the "cool" thing to do, mainly this is in younger people, especially young college hipster kids who do it to feel special (there are defiintely some of them on this site). They look at people like Maher or Dawkins as their "popes" and follow them. The thing that get's a bit under my skin about them is how many misconceptions these people spew about religoius people, that we are all somehow unedeucated West Boro Wackos who want to kill gays. The average Christian/Jew/Muslim is nothing like that.

I would love to invite these atheists to my church where they can see what we are really like, loving and acceptin, but also broken people (we all are even if you don't know it) who are trying to grow with God. God can change your life, you just have to give Him a chance.

its very hypocritical of you to generalise atheists then complain about atheist generalising religious people. Most atheists aren't atheists because its "cool" it's because they have no reason to believe a magic man who appeared from nowhere created everything from nothing. If you want to convince atheists then find some evidence to support your religion.
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#233 Posted by 1-UPking82 (102 posts) -

[QUOTE="1-UPking82"]

[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]it's the trendy thing to do.FuggaJ

This.

It's the "cool" thing to do, mainly this is in younger people, especially young college hipster kids who do it to feel special (there are defiintely some of them on this site). They look at people like Maher or Dawkins as their "popes" and follow them. The thing that get's a bit under my skin about them is how many misconceptions these people spew about religoius people, that we are all somehow unedeucated West Boro Wackos who want to kill gays. The average Christian/Jew/Muslim is nothing like that.

I would love to invite these atheists to my church where they can see what we are really like, loving and acceptin, but also broken people (we all are even if you don't know it) who are trying to grow with God. God can change your life, you just have to give Him a chance.

While you all may be kind, loving, and accepting people I don't see why you would need religion to be that way. It's not that atheists view everyone involved in religion as uneducated but in my experience it's that they don't challenge their views or have any real sound reasoning to believe in said views.

EDIT: And I'm sure some are atheist for the fringe factor I assure you it is not the majority.

Don't think of it so much like a religion, it's more of a relationship. A spiritual bond with someone that is bigger than you, you may not directly see it but it's there. Kind of like how when you fall in love with someone, or when you just "feel" something but can't explain it? Well it's like that.

And trust me, we question things all the time, it's fine to do so and God is not threatened by that. You just have to give Him a chance.  I went from being an atheist myself to being a Christian. I have seen God change lives, I'm an example of that. The man I am today is not the man I was several years ago, I assure you.

And yes I know there are some atheists who are respectful, but on the internet it seems to be more like the Dawkins kind (I hate to call names but people like that Wiseboy guy are a prime example of an atheist that is not respectul). But I pray for these people anyway so they can overcome whatever problems they are facing in their lives.

Also you don't have to give up science, we don't see it as a threat at all. I'm a theistic evolutionist, however many atheists seem to treat science like a religion which is very odd.

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#234 Posted by Buckhannah (715 posts) -
Being a Christian today is actually being on the minority and rebellious side as the world is constantly growing agaisnt us.1-UPking82
Self fulfilling prophecy. Christianity is shrinking and Christians in general seen with disdain because of the actions of Christians, especially in government. Leave your religion out of our laws and you'll notice a turn around in the general view of your religion. Keep shoving it down our throats and we'll keep hating you more and more.
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#235 Posted by 1-UPking82 (102 posts) -

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[QUOTE="comp_atkins"]it's the trendy thing to do.toast_burner

This.

It's the "cool" thing to do, mainly this is in younger people, especially young college hipster kids who do it to feel special (there are defiintely some of them on this site). They look at people like Maher or Dawkins as their "popes" and follow them. The thing that get's a bit under my skin about them is how many misconceptions these people spew about religoius people, that we are all somehow unedeucated West Boro Wackos who want to kill gays. The average Christian/Jew/Muslim is nothing like that.

I would love to invite these atheists to my church where they can see what we are really like, loving and acceptin, but also broken people (we all are even if you don't know it) who are trying to grow with God. God can change your life, you just have to give Him a chance.

its very hypocritical of you to generalise atheists then complain about atheist generalising religious people. Most atheists aren't atheists because its "cool" it's because they have no reason to believe a magic man who appeared from nowhere created everything from nothing. If you want to convince atheists then find some evidence to support your religion.

It's not hypocrytical, you only get offended because you treat your atheism like a belief system and allow yourself to be offended. And what I said above was true and you know it, many atheists (not all) do in fact act like that. It taks faith to be an atheist, you are believing that some magical nothing randomly happened to magically somehow get the process for life started and it just somehow randomally lead to us over the  many, many years. That takes a WHOLE LOT of faith to believe that.

But OT is not a place where people want to discuss things really, this is more of a place where a lot of people just seek the approval/attention from one side and to gang up and attack the one or two people who happen to have different views.

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#236 Posted by wis3boi (32507 posts) -

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="1-UPking82"]

This.

It's the "cool" thing to do, mainly this is in younger people, especially young college hipster kids who do it to feel special (there are defiintely some of them on this site). They look at people like Maher or Dawkins as their "popes" and follow them. The thing that get's a bit under my skin about them is how many misconceptions these people spew about religoius people, that we are all somehow unedeucated West Boro Wackos who want to kill gays. The average Christian/Jew/Muslim is nothing like that.

I would love to invite these atheists to my church where they can see what we are really like, loving and acceptin, but also broken people (we all are even if you don't know it) who are trying to grow with God. God can change your life, you just have to give Him a chance.

1-UPking82

its very hypocritical of you to generalise atheists then complain about atheist generalising religious people. Most atheists aren't atheists because its "cool" it's because they have no reason to believe a magic man who appeared from nowhere created everything from nothing. If you want to convince atheists then find some evidence to support your religion.

It's not hypocrytical, you only get offended because you treat your atheism like a belief system and allow yourself to be offended. And what I said above was true and you know it, many atheists (not all) do in fact act like that. It taks faith to be an atheist, you are believing that some magical nothing randomly happened to magically somehow get the process for life started and it just somehow randomally lead to us over the  many, many years. That takes a WHOLE LOT of faith to believe that.

But OT is not a place where people want to discuss things really, this is more of a place where a lot of people just seek the approval/attention from one side and to gang up and attack the one or two people who happen to have different views.

I like all the cliche apologetics you use as if they have any merit.

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#237 Posted by Toxic-Seahorse (5011 posts) -

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"][QUOTE="zenogandia"]

Atheism will never be a mayority, and I'm okay with that. More people are becoming irreligious which is a great thing. I'd actually prefer secularism and a belief in god, over a religious mayority. 

Also Religion is just meh, now a belief in a deity isn't anything I'm against. If people want to believe in a god or gods, then more power to them. As long as it doesn't become fanatical. 

1-UPking82

Never say never. Give it a century or so, atheism will be significantly more prevalent than it is now.

It probably will as this is what was predicted in the Bible. The world will follow the false prophet and mislead them, this will be a time of pure secularism in which Christians and other religions will  become the minority and will be persecuted and killed. This happened in the Soviet Union which killed Christians, Jews and other religious groups too. It will probably happen again.

Being a Christian today is actually being on the minority and rebellious side as the world is constantly growing agaisnt us.

false prophet? There is no prophet for atheism because atheism is not a religion. I'm not sure how you tied that together....
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#238 Posted by FuggaJ (318 posts) -

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[QUOTE="1-UPking82"]

This.

It's the "cool" thing to do, mainly this is in younger people, especially young college hipster kids who do it to feel special (there are defiintely some of them on this site). They look at people like Maher or Dawkins as their "popes" and follow them. The thing that get's a bit under my skin about them is how many misconceptions these people spew about religoius people, that we are all somehow unedeucated West Boro Wackos who want to kill gays. The average Christian/Jew/Muslim is nothing like that.

I would love to invite these atheists to my church where they can see what we are really like, loving and acceptin, but also broken people (we all are even if you don't know it) who are trying to grow with God. God can change your life, you just have to give Him a chance.

1-UPking82

While you all may be kind, loving, and accepting people I don't see why you would need religion to be that way. It's not that atheists view everyone involved in religion as uneducated but in my experience it's that they don't challenge their views or have any real sound reasoning to believe in said views.

EDIT: And I'm sure some are atheist for the fringe factor I assure you it is not the majority.

Don't think of it so much like a religion, it's more of a relationship. A spiritual bond with someone that is bigger than you, you may not directly see it but it's there. Kind of like how when you fall in love with someone, or when you just "feel" something but can't explain it? Well it's like that.

And trust me, we question things all the time, it's fine to do so and God is not threatened by that. You just have to give Him a chance.  I went from being an atheist myself to being a Christian. I have seen God change lives, I'm an example of that. The man I am today is not the man I was several years ago, I assure you.

And yes I know there are some atheists who are respectful, but on the internet it seems to be more like the Dawkins kind (I hate to call names but people like that Wiseboy guy are a prime example of an atheist that is not respectul). But I pray for these people anyway so they can overcome whatever problems they are facing in their lives.

Also you don't have to give up science, we don't see it as a threat at all. I'm a theistic evolutionist, however many atheists seem to treat science like a religion which is very odd.

Maybe you just misunderstand why people trust in science, because it is not like a religion. I would call that relationship humanity, we are all here on this planet together I don't see the necessity of a supernatural deity to connect me to others. The idea of god may have changed some lives, or the strength of some peoples beliefs changed lives, but trust me 'God' has either only selected special people to unveil himself to and turned his back on the rest or he isn't real. There is no reason religion shouldn't be questioned. There is no other aspect of life not criticized and questioned with a rational mind. I want to believe you question your beliefs but I have a hard time believing it, there are so many contradictions in the bible you have to cherry pick the word of god just so it makes sense. It's pretty hard for any rational man to stomach.
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#239 Posted by Buckhannah (715 posts) -
It taks faith to be an atheist, you are believing that some magical nothing randomly happened to magically somehow get the process for life started and it just somehow randomally lead to us over the  many, many years. That takes a WHOLE LOT of faith to believe that.1-UPking82
The only people who propose everything being made from nothing with magic are you guys. We just we don't know, but we're trying very hard to find out and are learning more each and every day. I don't need faith to be an atheist. You guys have no proof. That's like saying I have faith that when I go to turn the lights on that they will actually turn on. I do not, I have a reasonable expectation based on what I know (I paid my bill, the neighbors lights are on and street lights are working, the bulb isn't over X months old, etc.) that it will turn on.
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#240 Posted by Buckhannah (715 posts) -
I like all the cliche apologetics you use as if they have any merit.wis3boi
I get the feeling he's just copy/pasting lame crap from those snake oil salesmen like Hovind, Comfort, and Craig. Stinks of their brand of complete and utter bull hokey.
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#241 Posted by 1-UPking82 (102 posts) -

[QUOTE="1-UPking82"]Being a Christian today is actually being on the minority and rebellious side as the world is constantly growing agaisnt us.Buckhannah
Self fulfilling prophecy. Christianity is shrinking and Christians in general seen with disdain because of the actions of Christians, especially in government. Leave your religion out of our laws and you'll notice a turn around in the general view of your religion. Keep shoving it down our throats and we'll keep hating you more and more.

Why so bitter? It's actually the other way around, you atheists/secularists are trying to stop, and if not out right ban religious expression of any kind. Such as trying to stop people from wearing crosses in schools (which violates their 1st amendment rights), or getting so up in arms over having the 10 Commandments dispalyed in a court house (which again is stopping religious expression), to which btw there are other religious depictions of such as Muhammed on the Supreme Court.

And whether you like it or not, many of your values do come from religious one's. Though shalt not kill? Though shalt not steal? These, and plenty of others are a fundamental part of our society's laws and values. You live with these views even if you don't subscribe to the faiths they come from.

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#242 Posted by wis3boi (32507 posts) -

[QUOTE="wis3boi"]I like all the cliche apologetics you use as if they have any merit.Buckhannah
I get the feeling he's just copy/pasting lame crap from those snake oil salesmen like Hovind, Comfort, and Craig. Stinks of their brand of complete and utter bull hokey.

Nothing like reading Ray Comfort's facebook page for a good chuckle each day

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#243 Posted by wis3boi (32507 posts) -

[QUOTE="Buckhannah"][QUOTE="1-UPking82"]Being a Christian today is actually being on the minority and rebellious side as the world is constantly growing agaisnt us.1-UPking82

Self fulfilling prophecy. Christianity is shrinking and Christians in general seen with disdain because of the actions of Christians, especially in government. Leave your religion out of our laws and you'll notice a turn around in the general view of your religion. Keep shoving it down our throats and we'll keep hating you more and more.

Why so bitter? It's actually the other way around, you atheists/secularists are trying to stop, and if not out right ban religious expression of any kind. Such as trying to stop people from wearing crosses in schools (which violates their 1st amendment rights), or getting so up in arms over having the 10 Commandments dispalyed in a court house (which again is stopping religious expression), to which btw there are other religious depictions of such as Muhammed on the Supreme Court.

And whether you like it or not, many of your values do come from religious one's. Though shalt not kill? Though shalt not steal? These, and plenty of others are a fundamental part of our society's laws and values. You live with these views even if you don't subscribe to the faiths they come from.

100% bologna in this post.  Please do not try again.

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#244 Posted by FuggaJ (318 posts) -

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="1-UPking82"]

This.

It's the "cool" thing to do, mainly this is in younger people, especially young college hipster kids who do it to feel special (there are defiintely some of them on this site). They look at people like Maher or Dawkins as their "popes" and follow them. The thing that get's a bit under my skin about them is how many misconceptions these people spew about religoius people, that we are all somehow unedeucated West Boro Wackos who want to kill gays. The average Christian/Jew/Muslim is nothing like that.

I would love to invite these atheists to my church where they can see what we are really like, loving and acceptin, but also broken people (we all are even if you don't know it) who are trying to grow with God. God can change your life, you just have to give Him a chance.

1-UPking82

its very hypocritical of you to generalise atheists then complain about atheist generalising religious people. Most atheists aren't atheists because its "cool" it's because they have no reason to believe a magic man who appeared from nowhere created everything from nothing. If you want to convince atheists then find some evidence to support your religion.

It's not hypocrytical, you only get offended because you treat your atheism like a belief system and allow yourself to be offended. And what I said above was true and you know it, many atheists (not all) do in fact act like that. It taks faith to be an atheist, you are believing that some magical nothing randomly happened to magically somehow get the process for life started and it just somehow randomally lead to us over the  many, many years. That takes a WHOLE LOT of faith to believe that.

But OT is not a place where people want to discuss things really, this is more of a place where a lot of people just seek the approval/attention from one side and to gang up and attack the one or two people who happen to have different views.

Thats a valid point but you misunderstand. We aren't saying something magically happened to get life started. Abiogenesis has some evidence behind it, and we aren't claiming to know everything or putting faith into things we don't know. We simply say we don't know instead of chalking every thing we don't understand yet up to a god. Nothing magical about it. It is much less ignorant to admit you don't know than to assume you know it is a god.
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#245 Posted by 1-UPking82 (102 posts) -

[QUOTE="1-UPking82"]

[QUOTE="KHAndAnime"] Never say never. Give it a century or so, atheism will be significantly more prevalent than it is now.Toxic-Seahorse

It probably will as this is what was predicted in the Bible. The world will follow the false prophet and mislead them, this will be a time of pure secularism in which Christians and other religions will  become the minority and will be persecuted and killed. This happened in the Soviet Union which killed Christians, Jews and other religious groups too. It will probably happen again.

Being a Christian today is actually being on the minority and rebellious side as the world is constantly growing agaisnt us.

false prophet? There is no prophet for atheism because atheism is not a religion. I'm not sure how you tied that together....

The anti-Christ. Satan will come in the flesh one day and will mislead the world and kill people. It's in the book of Revlations. He will make people worship him and most of the world will be under his control, to which he will use it to kill people that oppose him (Christians, Jews, Muslims). Religion will be the persecuted minority, the world at this time will become a bad place where society will practice immoral things much like the days of Sodom and Gehmorrah.

It does not matter if you believe in this or not. But I do.

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#246 Posted by Buckhannah (715 posts) -
I'll wager that a hell of a lot of christians who oppose gays haven't even read the Bible.MrGeezer
That's the majority of all Christians, period, actually. Most atheists are far more knowledgeable of what is actually written in the bible, it's why they are atheists in the first place. I noticed that thread the other day about human sacrifice, the baby in the bonfire thread, someone said the Biblical God didn't accept human sacrifices, I asked them about Jepthah, and they all went silent. Probably didn't even know that, indeed, he did accept human sacrifice.
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#247 Posted by toast_burner (24932 posts) -

[QUOTE="toast_burner"][QUOTE="1-UPking82"]

This.

It's the "cool" thing to do, mainly this is in younger people, especially young college hipster kids who do it to feel special (there are defiintely some of them on this site). They look at people like Maher or Dawkins as their "popes" and follow them. The thing that get's a bit under my skin about them is how many misconceptions these people spew about religoius people, that we are all somehow unedeucated West Boro Wackos who want to kill gays. The average Christian/Jew/Muslim is nothing like that.

I would love to invite these atheists to my church where they can see what we are really like, loving and acceptin, but also broken people (we all are even if you don't know it) who are trying to grow with God. God can change your life, you just have to give Him a chance.

1-UPking82

its very hypocritical of you to generalise atheists then complain about atheist generalising religious people. Most atheists aren't atheists because its "cool" it's because they have no reason to believe a magic man who appeared from nowhere created everything from nothing. If you want to convince atheists then find some evidence to support your religion.

It's not hypocrytical, you only get offended because you treat your atheism like a belief system and allow yourself to be offended. And what I said above was true and you know it, many atheists (not all) do in fact act like that. It taks faith to be an atheist, you are believing that some magical nothing randomly happened to magically somehow get the process for life started and it just somehow randomally lead to us over the  many, many years. That takes a WHOLE LOT of faith to believe that.

But OT is not a place where people want to discuss things really, this is more of a place where a lot of people just seek the approval/attention from one side and to gang up and attack the one or two people who happen to have different views.

its ironic that you were saying how at your church people aren't idiots and are kind rational people, and then you prove the opposite with this nonsense. You're disrespectful to others beliefs, you're ignorant, and you seem to have difficulty reading (when did I say I was offended?) Many Christians are good people, you are not one of them. If you want to help improve people's views on religion, stop posting.
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#248 Posted by wis3boi (32507 posts) -

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"][QUOTE="1-UPking82"]

It probably will as this is what was predicted in the Bible. The world will follow the false prophet and mislead them, this will be a time of pure secularism in which Christians and other religions will  become the minority and will be persecuted and killed. This happened in the Soviet Union which killed Christians, Jews and other religious groups too. It will probably happen again.

Being a Christian today is actually being on the minority and rebellious side as the world is constantly growing agaisnt us.

1-UPking82

false prophet? There is no prophet for atheism because atheism is not a religion. I'm not sure how you tied that together....

The anti-Christ. Satan will come in the flesh one day and will mislead the world and kill people. It's in the book of Revlations. He will make people worship him and most of the world will be under his control, to which he will use it to kill people that oppose him (Christians, Jews, Muslims). Religion will be the persecuted minority, the world at this time will become a bad place where society will practice immoral things much like the days of Sodom and Gehmorrah.

It does not matter if you believe in this or not. But I do.

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#249 Posted by Buckhannah (715 posts) -

And whether you like it or not, many of your values do come from religious one's. Though shalt not kill? Though shalt not steal? These, and plenty of others are a fundamental part of our society's laws and values. You live with these views even if you don't subscribe to the faiths they come from. 1-UPking82
Stealing and killing were recognized as bad things thousands of years before the first word of the bible was written. These ideas predate any and all religion.  Without religion, good people would still be good, and bad people would still be bad.  If the only reason you do not do bad things is because you think a god of some sort is watching you, then you are a dangerous pyscopath, and are in fact one of the bad people.

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#250 Posted by wis3boi (32507 posts) -

[QUOTE="1-UPking82"]And whether you like it or not, many of your values do come from religious one's. Though shalt not kill? Though shalt not steal? These, and plenty of others are a fundamental part of our society's laws and values. You live with these views even if you don't subscribe to the faiths they come from. Buckhannah
Stealing and killing were recognized as bad things thousands of years before the first word if the bible was written. These ideas predate any and all religion.

the world is only 6000 years old, silly! :P