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#1 BMD004
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I'm not talking about because people like his rap songs. There are college courses on 2pac. There is now a Broadway musical about 2pac. It's like people try to make him out to be some kind of ... I don't know what. They act like he was Martin Luther King Jr. or something.

 

Why is he seen as some kind of hero-like figure? Even in the mainstream... (college classes, broadway musical, etc.).

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He is really just a fake thug. The guy was pretty much a little fairy theater boy growing up.
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#3 themajormayor
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No idea. The genre itself is so terrible.
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#4 BMD004
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No idea. The genre itself is so terrible. themajormayor
Well, I disagree with the genre being terrible. It's entertainment.

 

But treating 2pac like some kind of a prophet or something is what I don't understand.

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#5 ad1x2
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As a Tupac fan, I can tell you that a lot of the more ghetto fans saw him as a hero with his anti-authority messages. Didn't hurt that his mother was a Black Panther. Of course, I like his music but some of his messages were questionable. Not to mention the rivalry between him and Biggie may have legitimately caused some people to get beaten or killed over where they came from.
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#6 HyperWarlock
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No idea. The genre itself is so terrible. themajormayor

In your opinion. Millions of people love it. 

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#7 Oleg_Huzwog
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Because when a famous person dies young, society has a weird habit of greatly enhancing the way it remembers that person.

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http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=84f_1354255830&comments=1

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#9 Diablo-B
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A lot of his music had deep poltical/social commentary on America, specifically from the perspective of a young black male in the mid/late 80s and early 90s. Aonyone comparing his lyrics to that of other rappers can see that he was a deeper thinker then many others in the genre. However, since it was written from a young black male's perspective that demographic will relate to TuPac and hold him in higher regard then any other group. Oddly enough academics have always embraced his music. I think thats because it has an angry hipster/hippie element to it.
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#10 comp_atkins
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the key is to get famous, then die young. the world will forever worship you if you do that.
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Because when a famous person dies young, society has a weird habit of greatly enhancing the way it remembers that person.

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This. Look at Biggie, Cobain, Hendrix, etc.
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#12 Oleg_Huzwog
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[QUOTE="Oleg_Huzwog"]

Because when a famous person dies young, society has a weird habit of greatly enhancing the way it remembers that person.

Swanogt19

This. Look at Biggie, Cobain, Hendrix, etc.

Janis Joplin, Buddy Holly, James Dean.

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#13 Flubbbs
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i guess thugs and rapists are cool to alot of people

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#14 arsenalherd666
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im a huge hip hop fan but not for 2pac or Biggie, hype made them bigger than what they deserved, saying that i am listening to the new Jay Z album and its awful
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Martyrdom.

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im a huge hip hop fan but not for 2pac or Biggie, hype made them bigger than what they deserved, saying that i am listening to the new Jay Z album and its awfularsenalherd666
I have never understood the hype behind Jay Z. He has always been terrible.
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#17 deactivated-5c74ba2955026
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Because his music is poetry, (and he's one of the few rappers that is actually listenable) he used strong words to get his even stronger messages across. 2Pac was a social activist and many times used his songs to urge a change in society. He also read a lot of books on philosophers and their theories on how to better society
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[QUOTE="arsenalherd666"]im a huge hip hop fan but not for 2pac or Biggie, hype made them bigger than what they deserved, saying that i am listening to the new Jay Z album and its awfulEagleEyedOne
I have never understood the hype behind Jay Z. He has always been terrible.

How has he always been terrible ?
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[QUOTE="arsenalherd666"]im a huge hip hop fan but not for 2pac or Biggie, hype made them bigger than what they deserved, saying that i am listening to the new Jay Z album and its awfulEagleEyedOne
I have never understood the hype behind Jay Z. He has always been terrible.

Reasonable Doubt is probably a top 5 hip-hop album
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#20 Toxic-Seahorse
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His lyrics were more than just the "bitches, money, and drugs" lyrics most rappers vomit out today.
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#21 dominer
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Pseudo-Intellectuals, I know it's a douchey phrase to say, but it applies to many Tupac "fans".

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[QUOTE="arsenalherd666"]im a huge hip hop fan but not for 2pac or Biggie, hype made them bigger than what they deserved, saying that i am listening to the new Jay Z album and its awfulEagleEyedOne
I have never understood the hype behind Jay Z. He has always been terrible.

the blue print album was pretty damn good and this is coming from someone who doesn't like jay z at all.
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#23 arsenalherd666
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Blueprint 2.1 is my fave album but Jay Z live is incredible, only ones that come above is Wu Tang, maybe Eminem when i see him end of next month
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#24 JML897
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Blueprint 2.1 is my fave album but Jay Z live is incredible, only ones that come above is Wu Tang, maybe Eminem when i see him end of next montharsenalherd666
Jay-Z is a better live performer than both Wu-Tang and Eminem if you ask me. Live hip-hop is very hit or miss but Jay-Z is definitely one of the better ones.
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#25 coolkid93
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I like his music and he was good but after reading your post, that's ridiculous.
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#26 lostrib
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because he died

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#27 smokingsbad
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Because he was good and the fact that he died young made him even more popular. I think he is pretty overrated, I like other rappers more but 2pac is still very good.
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#28 BMD004
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His lyrics were more than just the "bitches, money, and drugs" lyrics most rappers vomit out today.Toxic-Seahorse
They really weren't any different. He had some songs that were about certain issues... but most rappers have some serious songs. 90% of his music is about thuggery. And I know, because I like a lot of his music.
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#29 JML897
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[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"]His lyrics were more than just the "bitches, money, and drugs" lyrics most rappers vomit out today.BMD004
They really weren't any different. He had some songs that were about certain issues... but most rappers have some serious songs. 90% of his music is about thuggery. And I know, because I like a lot of his music.

90% seems high but yeah, I agree with your overall point. Some people like to remember "Keep Ya Head Up" Tupac and block out memories of "2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted" Tupac.

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Because when a famous person dies young, society has a weird habit of greatly enhancing the way it remembers that person.

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Bingo.
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Because when a famous person dies young, society has a weird habit of greatly enhancing the way it remembers that person.

Oleg_Huzwog
Especially if they die a tragic death. Also, didn't tupac like, raped a lot of girls or something like that?
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Now you tell me who won I see them, they run
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Because he was a highly intelligent guy who wrote songs about the life a black man growing up around violence, racism and unjustice. It was kind of in his blood since his mother was in the black panthers.

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#34 deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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His lyrics were more than just the "bitches, money, and drugs" lyrics most rappers vomit out today.Toxic-Seahorse
Sure but then he made songs that contradicted other songs. At best he was a hypocrite.

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[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"]His lyrics were more than just the "bitches, money, and drugs" lyrics most rappers vomit out today.Aljosa23

Sure but then he made songs that contradicted other songs. At best he was a hypocrite.

What songs are these
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Now you tell me who won I see them, they runchessmaster1989

 

Best attack song ever.

 

Listen to "Never had a friend like me" too

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"]His lyrics were more than just the "bitches, money, and drugs" lyrics most rappers vomit out today.Chris_Williams

Sure but then he made songs that contradicted other songs. At best he was a hypocrite.

What songs are these

Off the top of my head is stuff like Keep Ya Head Up but then after he makes I Get Around.

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[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"]His lyrics were more than just the "bitches, money, and drugs" lyrics most rappers vomit out today.Aljosa23

Sure but then he made songs that contradicted other songs. At best he was a hypocrite.

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[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"]Now you tell me who won I see them, they runAdamPA1006

Best attack song ever.>

My favorite 2pac song.

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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Toxic-Seahorse"]His lyrics were more than just the "bitches, money, and drugs" lyrics most rappers vomit out today.Chris_Williams

Sure but then he made songs that contradicted other songs. At best he was a hypocrite.

What songs are these

Hit 'Em Up Mind you it's an awesome song though
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#41 Chris_Williams
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Sure but then he made songs that contradicted other songs. At best he was a hypocrite.

Aljosa23

What songs are these

Off the top of my head is stuff like Keep Ya Head Up but then after he makes I Get Around.

He makes deep songs and he makes songs that are just for the club. Lots of rappers do that. Prime example right now is Macklemore, if you listen to his more personal songs you wouldln't even think it was the same guy behind Thrift Shop
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[QUOTE="Aljosa23"]

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] What songs are theseChris_Williams

Off the top of my head is stuff like Keep Ya Head Up but then after he makes I Get Around.

He makes deep songs and he makes songs that are just for the club. Lots of rappers do that. Prime example right now is Macklemore, if you listen to his more personal songs you wouldln't even think it was the same guy behind Thrift Shop

Difference being Macklemore isn't elevated to mythical levels but yeah almost all rappers are hypocrites in some ways. It's just dumb that Tupac is praised so highly because lyrically he's nothing really special but his ability to craft a song together is godlike so I guess I can understand the hype + the whole death thing.

Biggie was better

 

 

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He is really just a fake thug. The guy was pretty much a little fairy theater boy growing up.EagleEyedOne
first post nailed it.

idiots idealiz how he acted like a thug.

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#44 Chris_Williams
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="Aljosa23"]Off the top of my head is stuff like Keep Ya Head Up but then after he makes I Get Around.

Aljosa23

He makes deep songs and he makes songs that are just for the club. Lots of rappers do that. Prime example right now is Macklemore, if you listen to his more personal songs you wouldln't even think it was the same guy behind Thrift Shop

Difference being Macklemore isn't elevated to mythical levels but yeah almost all rappers are hypocrites in some ways. It's just dumb that Tupac is praised so highly because lyrically he's nothing really special but his ability to craft a song together is godlike so I guess I can understand the hype + the whole death thing.

Biggie was better

 

 

Don't see what mythical levels have to do with it, you were talking about hypocrisy in his music and I'm just pointing out that when you are with a record label you have certain songs you have to put out even if its not your style. Lot people don't know that Tupac went to a school of arts and studied theater. Even in jail he spent his time writing screenplays. Dude wasn't an idiot and your typical thug like most people like to assume. He's not praised because of his rapping ability he's praised because he was something different in the rap game. He talked about teen pregnancy, wrote a song dedicated to his mom, talked about police corruption. Things most rappers at that time weren't even trying to talk about. Not trying to sound like a tupac fanboy because honestly there are only a few songs of his that I actually like but I understand where the hype thing is coming from. It has nothing to do with his death, he isn't the only prominent rapper to have been killed and yet no one really talks about them anymore.
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I like Biggie better than Tupac, he has a better flow 

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#46 Chris_Williams
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Also don't really expect anyone here to understand why he was highly regarded unless you are in your 40's. We didn't grow up with him like the people who praised him did. So you really wouldn't undertand why he was highly regarded

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#47 Chris_Williams
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[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"]He is really just a fake thug. The guy was pretty much a little fairy theater boy growing up.MakeMeaSammitch

first post nailed it.

idiots idealiz how he acted like a thug.

had the number 1 rap album on billboard 100 while in jail. That's pretty much the epitome of being a thug. yo
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[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

[QUOTE="EagleEyedOne"]He is really just a fake thug. The guy was pretty much a little fairy theater boy growing up.Chris_Williams

first post nailed it.

idiots idealiz how he acted like a thug.

had the number 1 rap album on billboard 100 while in jail. That's pretty much the epitome of being a thug. yo

epitome of being a dumb ass.

You pretty much have to be trash to end up in jail.

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#49 Chris_Williams
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[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"][QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]first post nailed it.

idiots idealiz how he acted like a thug.

MakeMeaSammitch

had the number 1 rap album on billboard 100 while in jail. That's pretty much the epitome of being a thug. yo

epitome of being a dumb ass.

You pretty much have to be trash to end up in jail.

so angry
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#50 MakeMeaSammitch
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[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

[QUOTE="Chris_Williams"] had the number 1 rap album on billboard 100 while in jail. That's pretty much the epitome of being a thug. yoChris_Williams

epitome of being a dumb ass.

You pretty much have to be trash to end up in jail.

so angry

just honest