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Using the alchohol argument to justify marajuana isn't going to help push your views. Alcohol has been ingrained into our society as something that is acceptable. This has been true for hundreds of years, hense trying to illegalize it would be near impossible. Remember what prohabition and how that turned out?
Marajuana on the other hand is condoned by our society and has never been ingrained into it like alcohol is. Hense saying weed should be legal just because alsochol is, is frankly speaking is apples and oranges.
rimnet00
I point that out in these threads all the time. Doesn't matter they just keep using the alcohol argument as though that makes marijuana better. Using their argument...water should be illegal. Because if you drink too much you'll die.
Using the alchohol argument to justify marajuana isn't going to help push your views. Alcohol has been ingrained into our society as something that is acceptable. This has been true for hundreds of years, hense trying to illegalize it would be near impossible. Remember what prohabition and how that turned out?
Marajuana on the other hand is condoned by our society and has never been ingrained into it like alcohol is. Hense saying weed should be legal just because alsochol is, is frankly speaking is apples and oranges.
rimnet00
Whooo. I like you man.
K now for real, Marijuana isn't that bad. all these study are overrated. Smoking a joint with moderations is better then smoking cigarettes, its even better for you then alcohol.
From smoking a joint you wont get a hangover, you wont become aggressive. It makes you feel good (it enlarges your feelings, so better do it if you feel good:)).
So just stop whining legalize it.
(just moderate me for it I don't care)
K now for real, Marijuana isn't that bad. all these study are overrated.Smoking a joint with moderations is better then smoking cigarettes, its even better for you then alcohol.
From smoking a joint you wont get a hangover, you wont become aggressive. It makes you feel good (it enlarges your feelings, so better do it if you feel good:)).
So just stop whining legalize it.
(just moderate me for it I don't care)
Ruben360
How? Explain please. And hangovers are NOT automatic just because you drink. Alcohol does not make you aggressive...unless you are aggressive. It doesn't change your personality....it enhances it. A mellow person stays mellow.
I'm guessing most of you talking about alcohol have zero experience with it...since your facts are all wrong.
It sounds to me like both the pro and anti druggies are just annoying. Some have bad experiences. However, some of you have A+ average. However, some of you don't do it and don't like it. However, why do you care if people damage their life? Does it effect you? So all in all, who cares wha others do, it's their body. If you don't like it, don't buy it.wemhim
I rather it stop before kids reach that point. Just because I managed to break out of the cycle doesn't mean everyone can.
[QUOTE="Ruben360"]K now for real, Marijuana isn't that bad. all these study are overrated.Smoking a joint with moderations is better then smoking cigarettes, its even better for you then alcohol.
From smoking a joint you wont get a hangover, you wont become aggressive. It makes you feel good (it enlarges your feelings, so better do it if you feel good:)).
So just stop whining legalize it.
(just moderate me for it I don't care)
LJS9502_basic
How? Explain please. And hangovers are NOT automatic just because you drink. Alcohol does not make you aggressive...unless you are aggressive. It doesn't change your personality....it enhances it. A mellow person stays mellow.
I'm guessing most of you talking about alcohol have zero experience with it...since your facts are all wrong.
You're right, I'm for legalization of drugs, not because I think it's some peacful thing where it's perfectly fine, but because I say let people do bad to themsevles if they wish to. However, I don't drink a lot, but I'm a mellow person, and I remain a mellow person, I don't get in fights.[QUOTE="wemhim"]It sounds to me like both the pro and anti druggies are just annoying. Some have bad experiences. However, some of you have A+ average. However, some of you don't do it and don't like it. However, why do you care if people damage their life? Does it effect you? So all in all, who cares wha others do, it's their body. If you don't like it, don't buy it.rimnet00
I rather it stop before kids reach that point. Just because I managed to break out of the cycle doesn't mean everyone can.
I agree with you, and no, I'm not basing it off high school kiddy marajuana. All is I was saying is, that I don't care if people want to damage themsevles. And I understand why you might not want them to, but I'm saying that I'm okay with it. I'm not basing it off of high school kiddy drugs, for all I care, Heroin could be legalized. I'm just not much of a humanist. Although, maybe one day I will. I don't smoke either.[QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="rimnet00"]
If I didn't quit smoking weed, I would have not graduated with a Computer Science degree. I would not have had the social life I have now. I would instead have some asshat degree and just a few 'friends' who I smoked pot with and watched tv with all day long. F that.rimnet00
People can still go on to lead successful lives while being marijuana smokers. It happens. And marijuana is a social drug. Users have a social life, and though it is with other users most of the time, it's still a social life. You could still get your degree, you'd have more than a few friends, and you must be the worst "stoner" if all you do when high is watch tv all day. Nobody does that.
But they do it on TV, so that makes it true dude, TV IS a better source than real life ya know? But seriously, I don't have a life, and I don't even smoke(I have, but don't actually go and do it).Excuse me, but I was basing this off my actual experiances, not just what they show on TV. Shiggums, no offense dude, but you are only 16. Wait until you go to college and meet up with other people who don't have parental supervision anymore. You will find a lot of stoners who pride themselves in their collections of DVDs, their DVR boxs, and their multiple kinds of Headies (Bud/Pot which is of the highest calibiar and usually named - not that crap they sell you in HS).
1. I'm 17 (i just had to make that clear, sorry :))
2. I guess you do have a point there. Yeah, it isn't all that great of stuff in HS (although sometimes...)
:|[QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="rimnet00"]
If I didn't quit smoking weed, I would have not graduated with a Computer Science degree. I would not have had the social life I have now. I would instead have some asshat degree and just a few 'friends' who I smoked pot with and watched tv with all day long. F that.TirOrn
People can still go on to lead successful lives while being marijuana smokers. It happens. And marijuana is a social drug. Users have a social life, and though it is with other users most of the time, it's still a social life. You could still get your degree, you'd have more than a few friends, and you must be the worst "stoner" if all you do when high is watch tv all day. Nobody does that.
So now you're encouraging drugs??? WTF!?!?!?!?! :|
Not so much encouraging it's use (believe me, i'm not one to push use of drugs on people) but what i was saying was that doing drugs doesn't necessarily ruin one's life. There are success stories.
[QUOTE="rimnet00"][QUOTE="wemhim"][QUOTE="Shiggums"][QUOTE="rimnet00"]
If I didn't quit smoking weed, I would have not graduated with a Computer Science degree. I would not have had the social life I have now. I would instead have some asshat degree and just a few 'friends' who I smoked pot with and watched tv with all day long. F that.Shiggums
wait first of all how do u know all of this? also how long did it take you to figure out that being on drugs while in school is not the best idea?
I disagree with the claim that marijuana is a social drug. I used to be a heavy smoker , yet the words in my head never reached my mouth for some reason, as much as I wanted to talk. It aggravated me to such a point that I quit. The more you smoke the more lost you become in this haze, I would realize things, amazing things I felt, about reality but I could not speak them to other people and that aggravated me. The best social drug is love (serotonin) IMO.KrayzieJI dunno, coke is a pretty good social drug... Just joking...don't do that. Trying to kick it now myself, actually. That stuff blows. No pun intended.
[QUOTE="KrayzieJ"]I disagree with the claim that marijuana is a social drug. I used to be a heavy smoker , yet the words in my head never reached my mouth for some reason, as much as I wanted to talk. It aggravated me to such a point that I quit. The more you smoke the more lost you become in this haze, I would realize things, amazing things I felt, about reality but I could not speak them to other people and that aggravated me. The best social drug is love (serotonin) IMO.Mumbles527I dunno, coke is a pretty good social drug... Just joking...don't do that. Trying to kick it now myself, actually. That stuff blows. No pun intended.
Yeah coke can be dangerous. But to answer KrayzieJ, marijuana can ultimately affect people differently. I always was very social, perhaps too social. In fact, I probably annoyed too many people:P
Keeping drugs illegal costs American taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars every year in law enforcement, incarceration, etc.
The cost of drugs is directly related to the legislation against them. Cocaine costs pennies per gram to manufacture, yet the street price for a gram in NY is around $25 (upwards of $100 upstate). Addicts are GOING to get high, regardless of who tells them not to. Never in my 15 years of partying have I seen somebody say "I'm not going to smoke/snort that because it's illegal". They always say "it's bad for you" when they decline to partake, so I know from experience that laws DO NOT stop people from using drugs, it's their upbringing that DOES.
Laws also have no effect on the AVAILABILITY of street drugs. I've bought cocaine like you would buy hamburgers at McDonalds, except it takes more time and effort to buy the hamburgers. I never had to leave my car, and I barely even came to a stop before the transaction was complete.
People often cite increased crime rates where drugs are present. As I said before, this is a direct result of the legislation against them. Drug laws INCREASE crime rates, simply because the addict (who is going to be an addict, regardless of laws) needs to steal more money to support his habit.
As for the GATEWAY hypothesis, a drug is not a "gateway" drug unless you use it as one. A chair is not a weapon until you bash somebody over the head with it. Then AND ONLY THEN does the chair become a weapon. The vast majority of beer drinkers are not pot heads, and the vast majority of pot heads are not crackheads, so we can therefore say with absolute certainty that a drug is not a "gateway" unless you use it as one.
I haven't used drugs in years, and I certainly don't condone it. But I've come to realize the huge amount of my tax dollars that are being wasted fighting this "war". I've always been able to afford my habits, but how many times have you seen on TV, some crackhead (who happens to be black) that was trying to steal a couple of dollars from somebody, who had a stick or pipe in his hand, and is now being charged with 1st degree assault as well as 1st degree robberyand will probably do 10 years in prison (10x$35,000).... WHY? I don't give a rat's ass about the crackhead, much less WANT to support him for the next 10 years of his pathetic life. But the police agencies are always parading around saying they need this and they need that, more overtime, more equipment to fight the crime wave that is hitting urban America. If that crackhead could get his weekly fix by scraping some bottles and cans together, that little old lady would never have been attacked (and thousands of police officers and corrections officers would have to look for work elsewhere, AND WE WOULD SAVE BILLIONS IN TAX DOLLARS)
I say legalize drugs and let's get on with our lives. Stop letting the government babysit grown adults and put the real criminals behind bars.
There's one thing that will never make sense to me. Whether its bad for me or not, why should anyone else be able to tell me what I can or can't do on my own time, in the privacy of my own home if its not going to affect anyone else? Place whatever laws you want on driving while under the influence. If I want to smoke it, it should be my decision to, not the governments. This is a free country after all.Mumbles527
indeed. just like Alcohol.
These Legalization guys are right. I mean, hell, let's go one step further. Domestic Abuse. We spend thousands, millions of tax dollars in attempting to prevent domestic abuse, but no matter how illegal it is, they still do it! It's wasting our prison space and our money. Thereby, i say we make domestic abuse legal.
J-walking too. And traffic Violations. Waste of police resources, and it being illegal doesnt stop people from breaking the speed limit or crossing a double yellow line.
These Legalization guys are right. I mean, hell, let's go one step further. Domestic Abuse. We spend thousands, millions of tax dollars in attempting to prevent domestic abuse, but no matter how illegal it is, they still do it! It's wasting our prison space and our money. Thereby, i say we make domestic abuse legal.
J-walking too. And traffic Violations. Waste of police resources, and it being illegal doesnt stop people from breaking the speed limit or crossing a double yellow line.
Tolwan
I don't like you.
j-walking = don't care
domestic abuse harms ppl and it's a serious deal. Innocent people get hurt/killed, and you make some wisecrack about it? I hope you become a victim so you'll learn your lesson.
Umm, you missed a really important point here. Drug addicts aren't hurting anybody but themselves while domestic abusers are hurting another person. Big difference. I could care less if you punch yourself in the face all day long, but try punching a defenseless woman in the face while I'M around.These Legalization guys are right. I mean, hell, let's go one step further. Domestic Abuse. We spend thousands, millions of tax dollars in attempting to prevent domestic abuse, but no matter how illegal it is, they still do it! It's wasting our prison space and our money. Thereby, i say we make domestic abuse legal.
J-walking too. And traffic Violations. Waste of police resources, and it being illegal doesnt stop people from breaking the speed limit or crossing a double yellow line.
Tolwan
Which brings up another point, why aren't all the pro-abortion people getting behind the legalization movement? After all, it's MY BODY....
[QUOTE="Tolwan"]Umm, you missed a really important point here. Drug addicts aren't hurting anybody but themselves while domestic abusers are hurting another person. Big difference. I could care less if you punch yourself in the face all day long, but try punching a defenseless woman in the face while I'M around.These Legalization guys are right. I mean, hell, let's go one step further. Domestic Abuse. We spend thousands, millions of tax dollars in attempting to prevent domestic abuse, but no matter how illegal it is, they still do it! It's wasting our prison space and our money. Thereby, i say we make domestic abuse legal.
J-walking too. And traffic Violations. Waste of police resources, and it being illegal doesnt stop people from breaking the speed limit or crossing a double yellow line.
SIapshot
Which brings up another point, why aren't all the pro-abortion people getting behind the legalization movement? After all, it's MY BODY....
Actually, very easily one cran bring up the negative effects legalization would have on American Society and children as a whole, and thus it does effect others severely. Not to mention, what about traffic violations? Let's make those all legal. We should all be able to go 100 on the road so long as there is nobody in the way! There are plenty of other laws in place for the protection of individuals or for the protection of society as a whole because of the social effects of certain things. You want legalized drugs? Go to a god damned other country.
As far as i am concerned, the answer to this is the opposite of legalization. We need to Buff up our police force like we buff up our military. We need more prisons, bigger prisons, and simultaneously less intrusive prisons. I for one am an advocate of creating large prisons that go deep under ground. We need to hit the source, stop the sellers entirely. If we lock tight both the Canadian and Mexican borders (This has MANY more benefits that stopping trafficking btw, or else i wouldnt propose it) then it will limit all drugs to being developed in house, inside the US. And get this, outside companies will be forced to sneak the stuff in through Ports, airports, etc. So then the police funding can work with homeland security funding to lock those down (Without intrusion to normal operations of course). This will have the double benefit of stopping the drug importation AND the crossing of terrorist weapons.
We should not legalize if we can't enforce. We should create the ability to enforce.
These Legalization guys are right. I mean, hell, let's go one step further. Domestic Abuse. We spend thousands, millions of tax dollars in attempting to prevent domestic abuse, but no matter how illegal it is, they still do it! It's wasting our prison space and our money. Thereby, i say we make domestic abuse legal.
Tolwan
you can't tax abuse.
It's not the government's job to micromanage the self-safety of its citizens. I don't touch drugs, but I will if I desire to, regardless of the preferences of our anonymous bureaucracy. metallimooseexactly.
Im not stupid enough to destroy my own body, but if i want to, goddamit i will.
[QUOTE="Tolwan"]We need to hit the source, stop the sellers entirely.
Hewkii
the only way to do that is to run them out of business. to do that, you must legalize it. people have imported drugs even into N. Korea without harm. nothing the US does will stop drug dealings.
It's people like you who undermine the system by not even let the government do it's job and put in the effort. If we spent even HALF what we spend on the military on the police force and locking down the border, i gaurentee the use would HEAVILY Decrease.
You're right, we can't stop all of them. But if we stop ENOUGH of them, and make very few actually get through, the prices will be so god damned outrageous that Usage will drop tenfold.
You're right, we can't stop all of them. But if we stop ENOUGH of them, and make very few actually get through, the prices will be so god damned outrageous that Usage will drop tenfold.
Tolwan
not at all. in fact, people will just steal to get the money. plus, if you realized how hard it would be to patrol every part of the border you'd realize why we haven't.
[QUOTE="Tolwan"]Umm, you missed a really important point here. Drug addicts aren't hurting anybody but themselves while domestic abusers are hurting another person. Big difference. I could care less if you punch yourself in the face all day long, but try punching a defenseless woman in the face while I'M around.These Legalization guys are right. I mean, hell, let's go one step further. Domestic Abuse. We spend thousands, millions of tax dollars in attempting to prevent domestic abuse, but no matter how illegal it is, they still do it! It's wasting our prison space and our money. Thereby, i say we make domestic abuse legal.
J-walking too. And traffic Violations. Waste of police resources, and it being illegal doesnt stop people from breaking the speed limit or crossing a double yellow line.
SIapshot
Which brings up another point, why aren't all the pro-abortion people getting behind the legalization movement? After all, it's MY BODY....
Abortion doesnt have any REAL negative side effects. Also if it becomes legal that means all the kids will be doing it. Its bad enough that most kids do it, end up skipping class, or go to class but are to high to do ANYTHING and just sit there all day. Lets make the education system fail all together! YEAH!Also if it becomes legal that means all the kids will be doing it. Its bad enough that most kids do it, end up skipping class, or go to class but are to high to do ANYTHING and just sit there all day. Lets make the education system fail all together! YEAH!
FrostyPhantasm
Alcohol is legal yet it has age restrictions. why can't the same be true?
[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"]Also if it becomes legal that means all the kids will be doing it. Its bad enough that most kids do it, end up skipping class, or go to class but are to high to do ANYTHING and just sit there all day. Lets make the education system fail all together! YEAH!
Hewkii
Alcohol is legal yet it has age restrictions. why can't the same be true?
Like those restrictions actually work... about 90% of the kids in my school drink and all they do in school is talk about how much the drank on the weekend.i'm still standing by legalisation. The government should not have the power to tell us what we can and can't do to our own bodies. as long as we don't hurt another living person, it's none of their businessBuryMeLets let people commit suicide and assisted suicide to, i mean, its not hurting anyone else, if they want to why not?
[QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"]Also if it becomes legal that means all the kids will be doing it. Its bad enough that most kids do it, end up skipping class, or go to class but are to high to do ANYTHING and just sit there all day. Lets make the education system fail all together! YEAH!
FrostyPhantasm
Alcohol is legal yet it has age restrictions. why can't the same be true?
Like those restrictions actually work... about 90% of the kids in my school drink and all they do in school is talk about how much the drank on the weekend. Im sorry, but anecdotle evidence isnt evidence....[QUOTE="BuryMe"]i'm still standing by legalisation. The government should not have the power to tell us what we can and can't do to our own bodies. as long as we don't hurt another living person, it's none of their businessFrostyPhantasmLets let people commit suicide and assisted suicide to, i mean, its not hurting anyone else, if they want to why not?
Which brings up another point, why aren't all the pro-abortion people getting behind the legalization movement? After all, it's MY BODY....SIapshotprobably because its of topic for the thread. I'm sure many of the left wingers here are pro coice and support legalising drugs
[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]i'm still standing by legalisation. The government should not have the power to tell us what we can and can't do to our own bodies. as long as we don't hurt another living person, it's none of their businessDef_Jef88Lets let people commit suicide and assisted suicide to, i mean, its not hurting anyone else, if they want to why not?
THE POINT, is it has an overall effect on society when you hurt yourself like THAT. We're even cracking down on obeisity by forcing more gym in schools.
As a matter of fact, Def_Jef, why do you think you're legally required to attend school as a child? It is for the benefit of american society as a whole, to make it's citizens more productive. Allowing things such as Marijuana to gain a strangehold on society would be hypocrytical of this government because it would very much have a negative effect on society - Both in a social way, and in a productivity sense.
[QUOTE="BuryMe"]i'm still standing by legalisation. The government should not have the power to tell us what we can and can't do to our own bodies. as long as we don't hurt another living person, it's none of their businessFrostyPhantasmLets let people commit suicide and assisted suicide to, i mean, its not hurting anyone else, if they want to why not?
[QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"][QUOTE="Hewkii"][QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"]Also if it becomes legal that means all the kids will be doing it. Its bad enough that most kids do it, end up skipping class, or go to class but are to high to do ANYTHING and just sit there all day. Lets make the education system fail all together! YEAH!
Def_Jef88
Alcohol is legal yet it has age restrictions. why can't the same be true?
Like those restrictions actually work... about 90% of the kids in my school drink and all they do in school is talk about how much the drank on the weekend. Im sorry, but anecdotle evidence isnt evidence....Go to any highschool, ask how many people drink, then ask how many people dont drink.Lets let people commit suicide and assisted suicide to, i mean, its not hurting anyone else, if they want to why not?[QUOTE="Def_Jef88"][QUOTE="FrostyPhantasm"][QUOTE="BuryMe"]i'm still standing by legalisation. The government should not have the power to tell us what we can and can't do to our own bodies. as long as we don't hurt another living person, it's none of their businessTolwan
THE POINT, is it has an overall effect on society when you hurt yourself like THAT. We're even cracking down on obeisity by forcing more gym in schools.
As a matter of fact, Def_Jef, why do you think you're legally required to attend school as a child? It is for the benefit of american society as a whole, to make it's citizens more productive. Allowing things such as Marijuana to gain a strangehold on society would be hypocrytical of this government because it would very much have a negative effect on society - Both in a social way, and in a productivity sense.
Im sorry, but it isnt my job to benefit the country. I go to school because I know I should. But if im 18 and wanna drop out, I should and do have the right to.Please Log In to post.
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