Why illegal drugs should STAY illegal.

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#1 Posted by Silver_Dragon17 (6205 posts) -

A lot of people here are fighting for the legalization of drugs such as marijuana, when they don't even know what they do to the person. So, here is the reason why illegal drugs are illegal, and why they should stay that way. For those who dislike walls of text, let summurize it all up with "Drugs are bad, m'kay?".

Marijuana

What are the acute
effects of marijuana use?

Within a few minutes after inhaling marijuana smoke, an individual's heart begins beating more rapidly, the bronchial passages relax and become enlarged, and blood vessels in the eyes expand, making the eyes look red. The heart rate, normally 70 to 80 beats per minute, may increase by 20 to 50 beats per minute or, in some cases, even double.15 This effect can be greater if other drugs are taken with marijuana.29

As THC enters the brain, it causes a user to feel euphoric - or "high" - by acting in the brain's reward system, areas of the brain that respond to stimuli such as food and drink as well as most drugs of abuse. THC activates the reward system in the same way that nearly all drugs of abuse do, by stimulating brain cells to release the chemical dopamine.30,31,32

A marijuana user may experience pleasant sensations, colors and sounds may seem more intense, and time appears to pass very slowly. The user's mouth feels dry, and he or she may suddenly become very hungry and thirsty. His or her hands may tremble and grow cold. The euphoria passes after awhile, and then the user may feel sleepy or depressed. Occasionally, marijuana use produces anxiety, fear, distrust, or panic.

Heavy marijuana use impairs a person's ability to form memories, recall events and shift attention from one thing to another.8,33 THC also disrupts coordination and balance by binding to receptors in the cerebellum and basal ganglia, parts of the brain that regulate balance, posture, coordination of movement, and reaction time.11 Through its effects on the brain and body, marijuana intoxication can cause accidents. Studies show that approximately 6 to 11 percent of fatal accident victims test positive for THC. In many of these cases, alcohol is detected as well.34, 35, 36

In a study conducted by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, a moderate dose of marijuana alone was shown to impair driving performance; however, the effects of even a low dose of marijuana combined with alcohol were markedly greater than for either drug alone37. Driving indices measured included reaction time, visual search frequency (driver checking side streets), and the ability to perceive and/or respond to changes in the relative velocity of other vehicles.

Marijuana users who have taken high doses of the drug may experience acute toxic psychosis, which includes hallucinations, delusions, and depersonalization - a loss of the sense of personal identity, or self-recognition.10,15 Although the specific causes of these symptoms remain unknown, they appear to occur more frequently when a high dose of cannabis is consumed in food or drink rather than smoked.

Marijuana's Effects on the BrainDiagram of the Brain

When marijuana is smoked, its active ingredient, THC, travels throughout the body, including the brain, to produce its many effects. THC attaches to sites called cannabinoid receptors on nerve cells in the brain, affecting the way those cells work. Cannabinoid receptors are abundant in parts of the brain that regulate movement, coordination, learning and memory, higher cognitive functions such as judgment, and pleasure.

Brain RegionFunctions Associated With RegionBrain regions in which cannabinoid receptors are abundantCerebellumBody movement coordinationHippocampusLearning and memoryCerebral cortex, especially cingulate, frontal, and parietal regionsHigher cognitive functionsNucleus accumbensRewardBasal ganglia
  • Substantia nigra pars reticulata
  • Entopeduncular nucleus
  • Globus pallidus
  • Putamen
Movement controlBrain regions in which cannabinoid receptors are moderately concentratedHypothalamusBody housekeeping functions (body temperature regulation, salt and water balance, reproductive function)AmygdalaEmotional response, fearSpinal cordPeripheral sensation, including painBrain stemSleep and arousal, temperature regulation, motor control Central gray Analgesia Nucleus of the solitary tract, Visceral sensation, nausea and vomiting.

How does marijuana use
affect physical health?

Marijuana use has been shown to increase users' difficulty in trying to quit smoking tobacco.38 This was reported in a study comparing smoking cessation in adults who smoked both marijuana and tobacco with those who smoked only tobacco. The relationship between marijuana use and continued smoking was particularly strong in those who smoked marijuana daily at the time of the initial interview, 13 years prior to the followup interview.

A study of 450 individuals found that people who smoke marijuana frequently but do not smoke tobacco have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers do.39 Many of the extra sick days used by the marijuana smokers in the study were for respiratory illnesses.

Even infrequent marijuana use can cause burning and stinging of the mouth and throat, often accompanied by a heavy cough. Someone who smokes marijuana regularly may have many of the same respiratory problems that tobacco smokers do, such as daily cough and phlegm production, more frequent acute chest illnesses, a heightened risk of lung infections, and a greater tendency toward obstructed airways.4

Cancer of the respiratory tract and lungs may also be promoted by marijuana smoke.4 A study comparing 173 cancer patients and 176 healthy individuals produced strong evidence that smoking marijuana increases the likelihood of developing cancer of the head or neck, and that the more marijuana smoked, the greater the increase.17 A statistical analysis of the data suggested that marijuana smoking doubled or tripled the risk of these cancers.

Marijuana has the potential to promote cancer of the lungs and other parts of the respiratory tract because it contains irritants and carcinogens.40 In fact, marijuana smoke contains 50 percent to 70 percent more carcinogenic hydrocarbons than does tobacco smoke.41 It also produces high levels of an enzyme that converts certain hydrocarbons into their carcinogenic form, levels that may accelerate the changes that ultimately produce malignant cells.42 Marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, which increases the lungs' exposure to carcinogenic smoke. These facts suggest that, puff for puff, smoking marijuana may increase the risk of cancer more than smoking tobacco does.

Some adverse health effects caused by marijuana may occur because THC impairs the immune system's ability to fight off infectious diseases and cancer. In laboratory experiments that exposed animal and human cells to THC or other marijuana ingredients, the normal disease-preventing reactions of many of the key types of immune cells were inhibited.16 In other studies, mice exposed to THC or related substances were more likely than unexposed mice to develop bacterial infections and tumors.14,43

One study has indicated that a person's risk of heart attack during the first hour after smoking marijuana is four times his or her usual risk.44 The researchers suggest that a heart attack might occur, in part, because marijuana raises blood pressure and heart rate and reduces the oxygen-carrying capacity of blood.

Marijuana, Memory, and the Hippocampus

Marijuana's damage to short-term memory seems to occur because THC alters the way in which information is processed by the hippocampus, a brain area responsible for memory formation. Laboratory rats treated with THC displayed the same reduced ability to perform tasks requiring short-term memory as other rats showed after nerve cells in their hippocampus were destroyed.66 In addition, the THC-treated rats had the greatest difficulty with the tasks precisely during the time when the drug was interfering most with the normal functioning of cells in the hippocampus.

As people age, they normally lose neurons in the hippocampus, which decreases their ability to remember events. Chronic THC exposure may hasten the age-related loss of hippocampal neurons. In one series of studies, rats exposed to THC every day for 8 months (approximately 30 percent of their lifespan), when examined at 11 to 12 months of age, showed nerve cell loss equivalent to that of unexposed animals twice their age.67, 68, 69

Health Consequences of Marijuana Abuse Acute (present during intoxication)

  • Impairs short-term memory
  • Impairs attention, judgment, and other cognitive functions
  • Impairs coordination and balance
  • Increases heart rate
Persistent (lasting longer than intoxication, but may not be permanent)
  • Impairs memory and learning skills
Long-term (cumulative, potentially permanent effects of chronic abuse)
  • Can lead to addiction
  • Increases risk of chronic cough, bronchitis, and emphysema
  • Increases risk of cancer of the head, neck, and lungs

Is marijuana use addictive?

Long-term marijuana use can lead to addiction for some people; that is, they use the drug compulsively even though it often interferes with family, school, work, and recreational activities. According to the 2003 National Survey on Drug Use and Health (NSDUH), an estimated 21.6 million Americans aged 12 or older were ****fied with substance dependence or abuse (9.1 percent of the total population). Of the estimated 6.9 million Americans ****fied with dependence on or abuse of illicit drugs, 4.2 million were dependent on or abused marijuana.57 In 2002, 15 percent of people entering drug abuse treatment programs reported that marijuana was their primary drug of abuse.58

Along with craving, withdrawal symptoms can make it hard for long-term marijuana smokers to stop using the drug.49 People trying to quit report irritability, difficulty sleeping, and anxiety.59,60 They also display increased aggression on psychological tests, peaking approximately 1 week after they last used the drug.61

In addition to its addictive liability, research indicates that early exposure to marijuana can increase the likelihood of a lifetime of subsequent drug problems. A recent study of over 300 fraternal and identical twin pairs, who differed on whether or not they used marijuana before the age of 17, found that those who had used marijuana early had elevated rates of other drug use and drug problems later on, compared with their twins, who did not use marijuana before age 17. This study re-emphasizes the importance of primary prevention by showing that early drug initiation is associated with increased risk of later drug problems, and it provides more evidence for why preventing marijuana experimentation during adolescence could have an impact on preventing addiction.

Heroin

What are the immediate (short-term)
effects of heroin use?

Soon after injection (or inhalation), heroin crosses the blood-brain barrier. In the brain, heroin is converted to morphine and binds rapidly to opioid receptors. Abusers typically report feeling a surge of pleasurable sensation - a "rush." The intensity of the rush is a function of how much drug is taken and how rapidly the drug enters the brain and binds to the natural opioid receptors. Heroin is particularly addictive because it enters the brain so rapidly. With heroin, the rush is usually accompanied by a warm flushing of the skin, dry mouth, and a heavy feeling in the extremities, which may be accompanied by nausea, vomiting, and severe itching.

Opiates Act on Many Places in the Brain and Nervous SystemOpiates Act on Many Places in the Brain and Nervous System

After the initial effects, abusers usually will be drowsy for several hours. Mental function is clouded by heroin's effect on the central nervous system. Cardiac function slows. Breathing is also severely slowed, sometimes to the point of death. Heroin overdose is a particular risk on the street, where the amount and purity of the drug cannot be accurately known.

What are the long-term
effects of heroin use?

One of the most detrimental long-term effects of heroin use is addiction itself.

Addiction is a chronic, relapsing disease, characterized by compulsive drug seeking and use, and by neurochemical and molecular changes in the brain. Heroin also produces profound degrees of tolerance and physical dependence, which are also powerful motivating factors for compulsive use and abuse. As with abusers of any addictive drug, heroin abusers gradually spend more and more time and energy obtaining and using the drug. Once they are addicted, the heroin abusers' primary purpose in life becomes seeking and using drugs. The drugs literally change their brains and their behavior.

Physical dependence develops with higher doses of the drug. With physical dependence, the body adapts to the presence of the drug and withdrawal symptoms occur if use is reduced abruptly. Withdrawal may occur within a few hours after the last time the drug is taken. Symptoms of withdrawal include restlessness, muscle and bone pain, insomnia, diarrhea, vomiting, cold flashes with goose bumps ("cold turkey"), and leg movements. Major withdrawal symptoms peak between 24 and 48 hours after the last dose of heroin and subside after about a week. However, some people have shown persistent withdrawal signs for many months. Heroin withdrawal is never fatal to otherwise healthy adults, but it can cause death to the fetus of a pregnant addict.

Physical dependence and the emergence of withdrawal symptoms were once believed to be the key features of heroin addiction. We now know this may not be the case entirely, since craving and relapse can occur weeks and months after withdrawal symptoms are long gone. We also know that patients with chronic pain who need opiates to function (sometimes over extended periods) have few if any problems leaving opiates after their pain is resolved by other means. This may be because the patient in pain is simply seeking relief of pain and not the rush sought by the addict.

Short- and Long-Term Effects of Heroin Use
Short-Term Effects
Long-Term Effects

  • "Rush"
  • Depressed respiration
  • Clouded mental functioning
  • Nausea and vomiting
  • Suppression of pain
  • Spontaneous abortion
  • Addiction
  • Infectious diseases, for example, HIV/AIDS and hepatitis B and C
  • Collapsed veins
  • Bacterial infections
  • Abscesses
  • Infection of heart lining and valves
  • Arthritis and other rheumatologic problems

What are the medical complications
of chronic heroin use?

Medical consequences of chronic heroin injection use include scarred and/or collapsed veins, bacterial infections of the blood vessels and heart valves, abscesses (boils) and other soft-tissue infections, and liver or kidney disease. Lung complications (including various types of pneumonia and tuberculosis) may result from the poor health condition of the abuser as well as from heroin's depressing effects on respiration. Many of the additives in street heroin may include substances that do not readily dissolve and result in clogging the blood vessels that lead to the lungs, liver, kidneys, or brain. This can cause infection or even death of small patches of cells in vital organs. Immune reactions to these or other contaminants can cause arthritis or other rheumatologic problems.

Of course, sharing of injection equipment or fluids can lead to some of the most severe consequences of heroin abuse- infections with hepatitis B and C, HIV, and a host of other bloodborne viruses, which drug abusers can then pass on to their sexual partners and children.

Well, I hope this was educational. Do we really want stuff that can do ALL OF THAT legal in the United States? There are more drugs that I will post later. Everything posted here came from the National Institute on Drug Abuse. I wanted to post more--much more--but the maximum number of characters is 20,000.

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#2 Posted by mig_killer2 (4906 posts) -
wall of text :|
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#3 Posted by X360PS3AMD05 (36303 posts) -
WTF? I'm pretty sure people smoke it to feel good and don't care about the side effects. My uncle has smoked for over a decade and he's pretty cool, has friends, steady job etc. Never killed anyone or forced us to smoke anything. It's a waste for the government to waste resources on a never ending war. People will continue to use them just like they will continue to go to prostitutes and have abortions. Plus i believe in the right to privacy, so the government should mind their own damn business and stop telling people what they can or can't do.
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#4 Posted by Silver_Dragon17 (6205 posts) -

WTF? I'm pretty sure people smoke it to feel good and don't care about the side effects. My uncle has smoked for over a decade and he's pretty cool, has friends, steady job etc. Never killed anyone or forced us to smoke anything. It's a waste for the government to waste resources on a never ending war. People will continue to use them just like they will continue to go to prostitutes and have abortions. Plus i believe in the right to privacy, so the government should mind their own damn business and stop telling people what they can or can't do.X360PS3AMD05

The side effects are death and mental degradation, along with many others. We need people to help society function; people high on drugs can't function.;) That's why these drugs are illegal.

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#5 Posted by isDoooomed (382 posts) -

Probably the worst case of "too long, didn't read" I've ever seen (copy&paste too!).

What an astounding view.

I'm so sorry...

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#6 Posted by deactivated-59d151f079814 (47239 posts) -

nice copy and pasting. It still doesn't show the point that Pot has yet to kill any one while Tobacco and Alochol kill tens of thousands each year.. It shouldn't be illegal because its OVERFLOWING OUR PRISONS. We have more people in prison then ANY WHERE IN THE WORLD.. We are being forced to early release violent offenders as well as multiple other more serious crimes over drug offenders..

Hell there has been quite a few studies givign evidence that pot is actually beneficial to you in certain amounts.. Not to mention it is a very effective agent in the medical field.. Easy for you to say no one should have it when your NOT IN AGONIZING pain...:roll:

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#7 Posted by bentleg (443 posts) -
Did you expect me to read that?
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#8 Posted by killtactics (5957 posts) -

hurrrrah for one sided scientific biased......Remember when pot made you murder your parents?

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#9 Posted by J-Man725 (6786 posts) -
It's the persons choice. If the law really cared about making harmful substances illegal, they should start with alcohol or cigarettes, much worse drugs than marijuana... They tax the drug that does some of the most harm, yet tell you that drugs like marijuana are the drugs that are bad for you, and are therefore illegal. bs..
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#10 Posted by Silver_Dragon17 (6205 posts) -

nice copy and pasting. It still doesn't show the point that Pot has yet to kill any one while Tobacco and Alochol kill tens of thousands each year.. It shouldn't be illegal because its OVERFLOWING OUR PRISONS. We have more people in prison then ANY WHERE IN THE WORLD.. We are being forced to early release violent offenders as well as multiple other more serious crimes over drug offenders.. sSubZerOo

I'm not supporting alcohol or tobacco.:| If our prisons are being OVERFLOWED, then maybe we should do something else to help it.;)

Hell there has been quite a few studies givign evidence that pot is actually beneficial to you in certain amounts.. Not to mention it is a very effective agent in the medical field.. Easy for you to say no one should have it when your NOT IN AGONIZING pain...:roll:

I never said people who need it for medical reasons shouldn't have it.:| Quit thinking up arguments I'm not using and address what I am saying.

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#11 Posted by Silver_Dragon17 (6205 posts) -

hurrrrah for one sided scientific biased......Remember when pot made you murder your parents?

killtactics

Did you even read where I got that from? It was as unbiased as it gets.:|

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#12 Posted by killtactics (5957 posts) -

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]WTF? I'm pretty sure people smoke it to feel good and don't care about the side effects. My uncle has smoked for over a decade and he's pretty cool, has friends, steady job etc. Never killed anyone or forced us to smoke anything. It's a waste for the government to waste resources on a never ending war. People will continue to use them just like they will continue to go to prostitutes and have abortions. Plus i believe in the right to privacy, so the government should mind their own damn business and stop telling people what they can or can't do.Silver_Dragon17

The side effects are death and mental degradation, along with many others. We need people to help society function; people high on drugs can't function.;) That's why these drugs are illegal.

there are millions of ppl on pain killers all the time... as well asalcohol and many others... im sure if pot was legale world would end, just like that one other country that has it legal...... oh wait....
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#13 Posted by zeus_gb (7793 posts) -
Marijuana probably does have lots of side effects but no one should dismiss the medicinal effects that a small amount of the stuff can have.
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#14 Posted by deactivated-59d151f079814 (47239 posts) -

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]WTF? I'm pretty sure people smoke it to feel good and don't care about the side effects. My uncle has smoked for over a decade and he's pretty cool, has friends, steady job etc. Never killed anyone or forced us to smoke anything. It's a waste for the government to waste resources on a never ending war. People will continue to use them just like they will continue to go to prostitutes and have abortions. Plus i believe in the right to privacy, so the government should mind their own damn business and stop telling people what they can or can't do.Silver_Dragon17

The side effects are death and mental degradation, along with many others. We need people to help society function; people high on drugs can't function.;) That's why these drugs are illegal.

....... Pot has never directly killed any one, you can not over dose on it.. Nor has it proven to degrade physical health like tobacco. Look at Rodney Dangerfield died in his late 70's to early 80s claiming to smoke pot for over 40 years.

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#15 Posted by Silver_Dragon17 (6205 posts) -

It's the persons choice. If the law really cared about making harmful substances illegal, they should start with alcohol or cigarettes, much worse drugs than marijuana... They tax the drug that does some of the most harm, yet tell you that drugs like marijuana are the drugs that are bad for you, and are therefore illegal. bs..J-Man725

Could you prove that alcohol and tobacco products are worse than anything else? Because I'm starting to think that that is just a myth.

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#16 Posted by Silver_Dragon17 (6205 posts) -
[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]WTF? I'm pretty sure people smoke it to feel good and don't care about the side effects. My uncle has smoked for over a decade and he's pretty cool, has friends, steady job etc. Never killed anyone or forced us to smoke anything. It's a waste for the government to waste resources on a never ending war. People will continue to use them just like they will continue to go to prostitutes and have abortions. Plus i believe in the right to privacy, so the government should mind their own damn business and stop telling people what they can or can't do.sSubZerOo

The side effects are death and mental degradation, along with many others. We need people to help society function; people high on drugs can't function.;) That's why these drugs are illegal.

....... Pot has never directly killed any one, you can not over dose on it.. Nor has it proven to degrade physical health like tobacco. Look at Rodney Dangerfield died in his late 70's to early 80s claiming to smoke pot for over 40 years.

You know, Pot isn't the onl drug I was talking about. . .

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#17 Posted by Silver_Dragon17 (6205 posts) -
[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]WTF? I'm pretty sure people smoke it to feel good and don't care about the side effects. My uncle has smoked for over a decade and he's pretty cool, has friends, steady job etc. Never killed anyone or forced us to smoke anything. It's a waste for the government to waste resources on a never ending war. People will continue to use them just like they will continue to go to prostitutes and have abortions. Plus i believe in the right to privacy, so the government should mind their own damn business and stop telling people what they can or can't do.killtactics

The side effects are death and mental degradation, along with many others. We need people to help society function; people high on drugs can't function.;) That's why these drugs are illegal.

there are millions of ppl on pain killers all the time... as well asalcohol and many others... im sure if pot was legale world would end, just like that one other country that has it legal...... oh wait....

People on pain killers NEED those. People who abuse pain killers and other drugs are just wimps who want to get high.

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#18 Posted by LJS9502_basic (163065 posts) -

Marijuana probably does have lots of side effects but no one should dismiss the medicinal effects that a small amount of the stuff can have.zeus_gb

The medicinal effects are only in specific cases. There is no medicinal effects for a regular user. Just to point that out.

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#19 Posted by deactivated-59d151f079814 (47239 posts) -
[QUOTE="sSubZerOo"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]WTF? I'm pretty sure people smoke it to feel good and don't care about the side effects. My uncle has smoked for over a decade and he's pretty cool, has friends, steady job etc. Never killed anyone or forced us to smoke anything. It's a waste for the government to waste resources on a never ending war. People will continue to use them just like they will continue to go to prostitutes and have abortions. Plus i believe in the right to privacy, so the government should mind their own damn business and stop telling people what they can or can't do.Silver_Dragon17

The side effects are death and mental degradation, along with many others. We need people to help society function; people high on drugs can't function.;) That's why these drugs are illegal.

....... Pot has never directly killed any one, you can not over dose on it.. Nor has it proven to degrade physical health like tobacco. Look at Rodney Dangerfield died in his late 70's to early 80s claiming to smoke pot for over 40 years.

You know, Pot isn't the onl drug I was talking about. . .

You need ot be more specific because recent studies have shown that Alochol and Tobacco are more lethal and addictive then pot and even LSD.....

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#20 Posted by Belisarius-9 (1595 posts) -
[QUOTE="killtactics"]

hurrrrah for one sided scientific biased......Remember when pot made you murder your parents?

Silver_Dragon17

Did you even read where I got that from? It was as unbiased as it gets.:|

That is a government website, and in terms of how biased it is, that is pretty high up there. The government wouldn't give you the real "truth" on the health effects of marijuana because it is illegal.

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#21 Posted by Silver_Dragon17 (6205 posts) -

Marijuana probably does have lots of side effects but no one should dismiss the medicinal effects that a small amount of the stuff can have.zeus_gb

I didn't dismiss it. . .it can be very helpful to cancer patients, but I'm talking about just letting anybody have at it.

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#22 Posted by killtactics (5957 posts) -
[QUOTE="killtactics"]

hurrrrah for one sided scientific biased......Remember when pot made you murder your parents?

Silver_Dragon17

Did you even read where I got that from? It was as unbiased as it gets.:|

oh sorry... i did't know you were there when they made the studies to base this stuff off:|
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#23 Posted by J-Man725 (6786 posts) -

[QUOTE="J-Man725"]It's the persons choice. If the law really cared about making harmful substances illegal, they should start with alcohol or cigarettes, much worse drugs than marijuana... They tax the drug that does some of the most harm, yet tell you that drugs like marijuana are the drugs that are bad for you, and are therefore illegal. bs..Silver_Dragon17

Could you prove that alcohol and tobacco products are worse than anything else? Because I'm starting to think that that is just a myth.

Have you ever once read in the paper or seen in the news that someone died from smoking pot? No. Yet everytime you turn on a tv or read the paper, there is something about a drunk driver slamming into someone and killing them, and tobacco killingthousands every year. The proof is there, it only remains to be seen.

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#24 Posted by CptJSparrow (10897 posts) -
Wall of text, but a quick skim shows ownage.
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#25 Posted by Silver_Dragon17 (6205 posts) -
[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="killtactics"]

hurrrrah for one sided scientific biased......Remember when pot made you murder your parents?

Belisarius-9

Did you even read where I got that from? It was as unbiased as it gets.:|

That is a government website, and in terms of how biased it is, that is pretty high up there. The government wouldn't give you the real "truth" on the health effects of marijuana because it is illegal.

Read the website I gave at the end. It DOES give the medical effects. Hell, it even says in one part that marijuana may help prevent Alzheimer's! I just didn't post it, because all I need is people going "Well, it has one good effect, so it should be legal!"

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#26 Posted by killtactics (5957 posts) -
[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="X360PS3AMD05"]WTF? I'm pretty sure people smoke it to feel good and don't care about the side effects. My uncle has smoked for over a decade and he's pretty cool, has friends, steady job etc. Never killed anyone or forced us to smoke anything. It's a waste for the government to waste resources on a never ending war. People will continue to use them just like they will continue to go to prostitutes and have abortions. Plus i believe in the right to privacy, so the government should mind their own damn business and stop telling people what they can or can't do.Silver_Dragon17

The side effects are death and mental degradation, along with many others. We need people to help society function; people high on drugs can't function.;) That's why these drugs are illegal.

there are millions of ppl on pain killers all the time... as well asalcohol and many others... im sure if pot was legale world would end, just like that one other country that has it legal...... oh wait....

People on pain killers NEED those. People who abuse pain killers and other drugs are just wimps who want to get high.

how does that change the fact? i was trying to make a point...
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#27 Posted by LJS9502_basic (163065 posts) -

Have you ever once read in the paper or seen in the news that someone died from smoking pot? No. Yet everytime you turn on a tv or read the paper, there is something about a drunk driver slamming into someone and killing them, and tobacco killingthousands every year. The proof is there, it only remains to be seen.

J-Man725

For the record....people high on marijuana have been involved in car accidents as well. It's driving while impaired that is the problem in this case....and NEITHER should be done.:|

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#28 Posted by Silver_Dragon17 (6205 posts) -

Wall of text, but a quick skim shows ownage.CptJSparrow

Ownage FOR me, or ownage AGAINST me?

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#29 Posted by zeus_gb (7793 posts) -

[QUOTE="zeus_gb"]Marijuana probably does have lots of side effects but no one should dismiss the medicinal effects that a small amount of the stuff can have.LJS9502_basic

The medicinal effects are only in specific cases. There is no medicinal effects for a regular user. Just to point that out.

I didn't mean a regular user, I was going for a more casual user.
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#30 Posted by Silver_Dragon17 (6205 posts) -
[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="J-Man725"]It's the persons choice. If the law really cared about making harmful substances illegal, they should start with alcohol or cigarettes, much worse drugs than marijuana... They tax the drug that does some of the most harm, yet tell you that drugs like marijuana are the drugs that are bad for you, and are therefore illegal. bs..J-Man725

Could you prove that alcohol and tobacco products are worse than anything else? Because I'm starting to think that that is just a myth.

Have you ever once read in the paper or seen in the news that someone died from smoking pot? No. Yet everytime you turn on a tv or read the paper, there is something about a drunk driver slamming into someone and killing them, and tobacco killingthousands every year. The proof is there, it only remains to be seen.

That is not scientific proof.:| I REALLY think that is just a myth.

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#31 Posted by Silver_Dragon17 (6205 posts) -
[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="killtactics"]

hurrrrah for one sided scientific biased......Remember when pot made you murder your parents?

killtactics

Did you even read where I got that from? It was as unbiased as it gets.:|

oh sorry... i did't know you were there when they made the studies to base this stuff off:|

I wasn't. . .but then that doesn't make it biased, now does it?;)

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#32 Posted by zeus_gb (7793 posts) -

[QUOTE="zeus_gb"]Marijuana probably does have lots of side effects but no one should dismiss the medicinal effects that a small amount of the stuff can have.Silver_Dragon17

I didn't dismiss it. . .it can be very helpful to cancer patients, but I'm talking about just letting anybody have at it.

I wasn't specifically talking about you when I said no one. It should still be illegal but it should be legal by prescription for people who really need it.
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#33 Posted by Silver_Dragon17 (6205 posts) -
[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="zeus_gb"]Marijuana probably does have lots of side effects but no one should dismiss the medicinal effects that a small amount of the stuff can have.zeus_gb

I didn't dismiss it. . .it can be very helpful to cancer patients, but I'm talking about just letting anybody have at it.

I wasn't specifically talking about you when I said no one. It should still be illegal but it should be legal by prescription for people who really need it.

To an extent, I agree.

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#34 Posted by CptJSparrow (10897 posts) -

[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"]Wall of text, but a quick skim shows ownage.Silver_Dragon17

Ownage FOR me, or ownage AGAINST me?

For.
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#35 Posted by killtactics (5957 posts) -
[QUOTE="J-Man725"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="J-Man725"]It's the persons choice. If the law really cared about making harmful substances illegal, they should start with alcohol or cigarettes, much worse drugs than marijuana... They tax the drug that does some of the most harm, yet tell you that drugs like marijuana are the drugs that are bad for you, and are therefore illegal. bs..Silver_Dragon17

Could you prove that alcohol and tobacco products are worse than anything else? Because I'm starting to think that that is just a myth.

Have you ever once read in the paper or seen in the news that someone died from smoking pot? No. Yet everytime you turn on a tv or read the paper, there is something about a drunk driver slamming into someone and killing them, and tobacco killingthousands every year. The proof is there, it only remains to be seen.

That is not scientific proof.:| I REALLY think that is just a myth.

what is a myth? the fact that a hundred thousand plus ppl die each year from alcohol/tobacco? or the fact that it's not possible to put enough THC in your body to kill your self?
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#36 Posted by CptJSparrow (10897 posts) -
[QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="killtactics"]

hurrrrah for one sided scientific biased......Remember when pot made you murder your parents?

Belisarius-9

Did you even read where I got that from? It was as unbiased as it gets.:|

That is a government website, and in terms of how biased it is, that is pretty high up there. The government wouldn't give you the real "truth" on the health effects of marijuana because it is illegal.

Because there is a government conspiracy to ban the unholy potleaves.
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#37 Posted by zeus_gb (7793 posts) -
[QUOTE="zeus_gb"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"]

[QUOTE="zeus_gb"]Marijuana probably does have lots of side effects but no one should dismiss the medicinal effects that a small amount of the stuff can have.Silver_Dragon17

I didn't dismiss it. . .it can be very helpful to cancer patients, but I'm talking about just letting anybody have at it.

I wasn't specifically talking about you when I said no one. It should still be illegal but it should be legal by prescription for people who really need it.

To an extent, I agree.

Which part do you agree on?
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#38 Posted by killtactics (5957 posts) -
[QUOTE="killtactics"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="killtactics"]

hurrrrah for one sided scientific biased......Remember when pot made you murder your parents?

Silver_Dragon17

Did you even read where I got that from? It was as unbiased as it gets.:|

oh sorry... i did't know you were there when they made the studies to base this stuff off:|

I wasn't. . .but then that doesn't make it biased, now does it?;)

no the whole part where its a government website does;)...Im sure the government would be happy to fund a study that showed anything positive....
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#39 Posted by Belisarius-9 (1595 posts) -
People, for NON-BIASED FACTS look here: http://www.answers.com/topic/cannabis?cat=health
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#40 Posted by CptJSparrow (10897 posts) -
what is a myth? the fact that a hundred thousand plus ppl die each year from alcohol/tobacco? or the fact that it's not possible to put enough THC in your body to kill your self? killtactics
Alcohol is only around because things went to hell in a handbasket when it was banned. Smoking because big businesses run the country.
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#41 Posted by Silver_Dragon17 (6205 posts) -

what is a myth? the fact that a hundred thousand plus ppl die each year from alcohol/tobacco? or the fact that it's not possible to put enough THC in your body to kill your self? killtactics

The myth is that it is not as dangerous. . . in the long run, I think illegal drugs are more dangerous.

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#42 Posted by Silver_Dragon17 (6205 posts) -

no the whole part where its a government website does;)...Im sure the government would be happy to fund a study that showed anything positive....killtactics

I have ALREADY SAID that the site gives a few small positives on it. . .

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#43 Posted by killtactics (5957 posts) -
[QUOTE="Belisarius-9"][QUOTE="Silver_Dragon17"][QUOTE="killtactics"]

hurrrrah for one sided scientific biased......Remember when pot made you murder your parents?

CptJSparrow

Did you even read where I got that from? It was as unbiased as it gets.:|

That is a government website, and in terms of how biased it is, that is pretty high up there. The government wouldn't give you the real "truth" on the health effects of marijuana because it is illegal.

Because there is a government conspiracy to ban the unholy potleaves.

ummmmm yes yes thats right.... maybe you should read up on how it became illegal in the first place... hint: it has nothing to do with health and everything to do with hating ppl that dont look like them.....
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#44 Posted by LJS9502_basic (163065 posts) -

I didn't mean a regular user, I was going for a more casual user.
zeus_gb

Same thing. Unless it's prescribed for specfic medical conditions...it has no medicinal benefits.

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#45 Posted by Silver_Dragon17 (6205 posts) -
I have to go. I'll be back. Have a happy July 4th.
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#46 Posted by killtactics (5957 posts) -

[QUOTE="killtactics"]what is a myth? the fact that a hundred thousand plus ppl die each year from alcohol/tobacco? or the fact that it's not possible to put enough THC in your body to kill your self? Silver_Dragon17

The myth is that it is not as dangerous. . . in the long run, I think illegal drugs are more dangerous.

whats not dangerous? pot? who on earth would think it's not? even a burger high in fat can be dangerous... and no one is defending illegal drugs. just one...
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#47 Posted by CptJSparrow (10897 posts) -
ummmmm yes yes thats right.... maybe you should read up on how it became illegal in the first place... hint: it has nothing to do with health and everything to do with hating ppl that dont look like them.....killtactics
That has no bearing on it being dangerous.
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#48 Posted by killtactics (5957 posts) -
[QUOTE="killtactics"]ummmmm yes yes thats right.... maybe you should read up on how it became illegal in the first place... hint: it has nothing to do with health and everything to do with hating ppl that dont look like them.....CptJSparrow
That has no bearing on it being dangerous.

i was't talking about it being dangerous.... i was talking about the thing i quoted you for... way to change the subject..
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#49 Posted by J-Man725 (6786 posts) -
[QUOTE="J-Man725"]

Have you ever once read in the paper or seen in the news that someone died from smoking pot? No. Yet everytime you turn on a tv or read the paper, there is something about a drunk driver slamming into someone and killing them, and tobacco killingthousands every year. The proof is there, it only remains to be seen.

LJS9502_basic

For the record....people high on marijuana have been involved in car accidents as well. It's driving while impaired that is the problem in this case....and NEITHER should be done.:|

I realize that it is dangerous in either case, and should never be done. But it is very obvious that accidents are much more frequent in those who are under the influence of alcohol. I would never suggest driving while under the influence of any drug.

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#50 Posted by CptJSparrow (10897 posts) -
[QUOTE="CptJSparrow"][QUOTE="killtactics"]ummmmm yes yes thats right.... maybe you should read up on how it became illegal in the first place... hint: it has nothing to do with health and everything to do with hating ppl that dont look like them.....killtactics
That has no bearing on it being dangerous.

i was't talking about it being dangerous.... i was talking about the thing i quoted you for... way to change the subject..

I didn't change the subject. What I was saying to Belisarius-9 was sarcasm.:|