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#1 error_202
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been as successful as the U.S.A?

Forgive me for not knowing much but im from the UK and have been thinking bout this for a while. All these new world countries were colonised around the same time, some even bigger than the US, why havent they been even kind of close to the US in terms of success?

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#2 GazaAli
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The US was chosen to be like this, period.
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Successful in what sense?
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#4 bluezy
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Canada's pretty successful...
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#5 Setsa
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Canada's pretty successful...bluezy
Yeah, and I'd like to see some Yank's try to inhabit Nunavut :lol:
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#6 gamedude2020
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Because the USA is older and has more natural resources.
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Of those countries, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand are all very successful. The US just has a bigger population base, but the standard of living is quite high in each of those countries. The more interesting thing that you should note - as you are from the UK - is that all of those countries plus the US were English colonies.

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america had massive oil reserves, not so much the other countries. also it used to have a freaking sweet constitution
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#9 Doctor-McNinja
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Around 75% of Australia is borderline inhospitable; also, what do you mean by successful? Most of the countries you listed have pretty much the same general standards of living and prosperity.

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South Africa and New Zeland had historically little trade, which implied less refinements. As for the specific case of S.A. Britain and other more developed countries made (and probably still make) the country their backyard, through the force of arms, which slowed down the "development". Canada is a somewhat newly formed country, and if we take into account the extreme climate (agriculture, the first step of any civilization is impaired greatly) we get a better idea of why they arent so developed (although their inside formation is well formed and they are a 1st world country...). Possibly the biggest part of US's success (economy and expansion wise) comes from their militar and war politic (they are very active militarly and that is perhaps the most profitable activity in the world), which is something the previously mentioned do not have.
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#11 Nkemjo
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Someone needs to stop drinking the old USA cooll-aid. They are all comparable to each other nowadays.

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#12 error_202
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Sucess in terms of military might, influence on the world (politcs etc) and the biggest economy in the world.

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Canada will soon reign supreme when natural resources in other parts of the world start to dwindle.

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#14 deactivated-59d151f079814
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... Because those countries are not the United States? Each one has different environments, politics, social issues, natural dieasters.. Etc etc..
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#15 grape_of_wrath
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Seriously? australia is mostly desert, south africa had the wrong european settlers to native population ratio, new-zealand is too small and canada is too cold. considering that settlement began much earlier in the united states than most of the above, the US has more natural resources(fresh water and fertile land are also considerable resources)and much more people immigrated to it's territories (due to all of the above)-makes for a simple answer.

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#16 awesome3496
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I maybe wrong but the USA has more people living here.

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#17 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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Maybe due to the structure of their government..or the way their system works...i don't know..

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#18 rawsavon
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Location and circumstance...mix of resources, climate, people/cultures, and other external factors
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Top 5 North American cities ranked by quality of life Vancouver, Canada Toronto, Canada Ottawa, Canada Montreal, Canada Calgary, Canada
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#20 grape_of_wrath
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Top 5 North American cities ranked by quality of life Vancouver, Canada Toronto, Canada Ottawa, Canada Montreal, Canada Calgary, CanadaF1_2004
As the TC already stated-political clout and military prowess counts more than a thousand vancouvers.
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#21 F1_2004
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[QUOTE="F1_2004"]Top 5 North American cities ranked by quality of life Vancouver, Canada Toronto, Canada Ottawa, Canada Montreal, Canada Calgary, Canadagrape_of_wrath
As the TC already stated-political clout and military prowess counts more than a thousand vancouvers.

Didn't see that. But that sounds like faulty logic. I am not enjoying my country's military, I am enjoying my quality of life. I'm sure if Canada started taking away government funding and pouring billions into the military, and start making babies like crazy & overpopulating our country so we can be a massive nation with a huge military & economy, we would approach much higher levels of "success" as defined here. Quality of life would plummet, and there's no question that I'd much rather have it the way it is now.
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[QUOTE="F1_2004"]Top 5 North American cities ranked by quality of life Vancouver, Canada Toronto, Canada Ottawa, Canada Montreal, Canada Calgary, Canadagrape_of_wrath
As the TC already stated-political clout and military prowess counts more than a thousand vancouvers.

This isn't the 19th century, military power in a single nation hardly means anything now in the global arena.

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#24 Laserwolf65
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the USA has batman

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#25 grape_of_wrath
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[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"][QUOTE="F1_2004"]Top 5 North American cities ranked by quality of life Vancouver, Canada Toronto, Canada Ottawa, Canada Montreal, Canada Calgary, CanadaF1_2004
As the TC already stated-political clout and military prowess counts more than a thousand vancouvers.

Didn't see that. But that sounds like faulty logic. I am not enjoying my country's military, I am enjoying my quality of life. I'm sure if Canada started taking away government funding and pouring billions into the military, and start making babies like crazy & overpopulating our country so we can be a massive nation with a huge military & economy, we would approach much higher levels of "success" as defined here. Quality of life would plummet, and there's no question that I'd much rather have it the way it is now.

Firstly -i'm not too sure about the "If we wanted" theory. secondly-if true,this only applies today. the fact that canada has too much dead,inhospitable areas and not enough fertile,comfortable land(which means comfortable temperatures,as well) would have stopped any parallel universe version of it from becoming a modern day super-power. Thirdly-your enjoyment probably means nothing-it has much more to do with what your collective canadian wills can accomplish by tommorrow(The US can destroy the world by noon,for example, cause a financial global disaster or bring down a regime in another country).
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The US was chosen to be like this, period.GazaAli
By God.

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#27 grape_of_wrath
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[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"][QUOTE="F1_2004"]Top 5 North American cities ranked by quality of life Vancouver, Canada Toronto, Canada Ottawa, Canada Montreal, Canada Calgary, CanadasSubZerOo

As the TC already stated-political clout and military prowess counts more than a thousand vancouvers.

This isn't the 19th century, military power in a single nation hardly means anything now in the global arena.

military power still means everything. military power means political clout. and influence is everything-there's a reason why the united states does everything it wishes in the global arena. there's no difference between the 19th century,the 12th centuy and the 21st century-as long as the world works the way it does-countries as representations of a group of people it won't change,either. wake me up when the global revolution comes.
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#28 F1_2004
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Thirdly-your enjoyment probably means nothing-it has much more to do with what your collective canadian wills can accomplish by tommorrow(The US can destroy the world by noon,for example, cause a financial global disaster or bring down a regime in another country). grape_of_wrath
lol you're going to have to explain this one to me. The US can cock up the world easily (and over the last few years they certainly tried their best to do so), but they can't make it better for themselves. Canada can live the better life (and is doing so), but can't ruin the world if they tried. I believe I'll gladly accept that compromise, thank you very much.
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#29 deactivated-5e97585ea928c
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Canada has a pretty solid economy and can only get better with all the natural resources, the quality of living in most of those countries are higher than that of the US, the education system in almost all of the countries listed above are also higher than that of the US by ALOT. However if you want to look at it in a military and political sense, the US has a higher population and is more of a military complex style Country so their military is larger and well funded.
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#30 Treflis
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Canada has harsher climate then the US and as a result crops at that time had a hard time surviving and this made it rather unattractive for settlers. South Africa or Africa in general was devided up between several european nations who used the Africans as slave worker and basically had them extract all the valuable natural resources to the nation who owned the land, eventually they ditched the continent and left it. Something that caused several wars and suffering and who's ripples are still seen today. Australia was originally used as the Island where the British sent prisoners, they eventually established a community there but again the Country got a very rough climate. It all boils down to the countries national resources and at that the US ranked the highest. But then again with the exception of Africa the other nations are doing pretty good for themselves and are "Successful"
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[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"]Thirdly-your enjoyment probably means nothing-it has much more to do with what your collective canadian wills can accomplish by tommorrow(The US can destroy the world by noon,for example, cause a financial global disaster or bring down a regime in another country). F1_2004
lol you're going to have to explain this one to me. The US can cock up the world easily (and over the last few years they certainly tried their best to do so), but they can't make it better for themselves. Canada can live the better life (and is doing so), but can't ruin the world if they tried. I believe I'll gladly accept that compromise, thank you very much.

Fine. it boils down to this-The american president is the most powerful man alive ,the candian prime minister isn't even close.even if life for the average candian are better than for the average american.
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#32 error_202
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[QUOTE="error_202"]

been as successful as the U.S.A?

Forgive me for not knowing much but im from the UK and have been thinking bout this for a while. All these new world countries were colonised around the same time, some even bigger than the US, why havent they been even kind of close to the US in terms of success?

Dr_Brocoli


*my reaction to the post*

So much fail in your post. Those countries have been extremely successful. Notice how they have universal healthcare, higher living standards, less poverty etc. ?Military might =/= success.

Cool beans bro,

But if you read the bolded, im asking why the havent been AS SUCCESSFUL as the USA. Im not saying they havent been successful because of course they have (everyone knows that). Struck a nerve? whilst you were going off on one based on your failed reading comprehension, several posters gave legitmate reasons such as the climate and the US having been colonised a while before. And i now have a better understanding.

Thanks guys. To all the cool guys that gave answers, head on over to the Tom and Jerry Cats thread for more cool stuff.

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[QUOTE="F1_2004"][QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"]Thirdly-your enjoyment probably means nothing-it has much more to do with what your collective canadian wills can accomplish by tommorrow(The US can destroy the world by noon,for example, cause a financial global disaster or bring down a regime in another country). grape_of_wrath
lol you're going to have to explain this one to me. The US can cock up the world easily (and over the last few years they certainly tried their best to do so), but they can't make it better for themselves. Canada can live the better life (and is doing so), but can't ruin the world if they tried. I believe I'll gladly accept that compromise, thank you very much.

Fine. it boils down to this-The american president is the most powerful man alive ,the candian prime minister isn't even close.even if life for the average candian are better than for the average american.

I think every Canadian will be happy with that. You can start wars on a whim if that makes you happy, we will enjoy the good life.
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#34 aransom
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There's a lot of different factors like climate, resources, remoteness.

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[QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"][QUOTE="F1_2004"] lol you're going to have to explain this one to me. The US can cock up the world easily (and over the last few years they certainly tried their best to do so), but they can't make it better for themselves. Canada can live the better life (and is doing so), but can't ruin the world if they tried. I believe I'll gladly accept that compromise, thank you very much.Dylan_11
Fine. it boils down to this-The american president is the most powerful man alive ,the candian prime minister isn't even close.even if life for the average candian are better than for the average american.

I think every Canadian will be happy with that. You can start wars on a whim if that makes you happy, we will enjoy the good life.

I'm not american.:x just because I don't participate in the oh-so-popular-with-non-americans-online trend of "bash the united states",does not neccessarily mean that I have an american passport. :|
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I think in a lot of ways, maybe in most ways, they have been more successful.

But if you mean economically (despite dept) and militarily. Well it probably boils down to resources, population (immigration), and some smart moves here and there.

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#37 akuma_od3
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been as successful as the U.S.A?

Forgive me for not knowing much but im from the UK and have been thinking bout this for a while. All these new world countries were colonised around the same time, some even bigger than the US, why havent they been even kind of close to the US in terms of success?

error_202

If you consider being in about a Trillion dollars of debt "successful" then I guess because those countries just havnt borrowed as much money as the US have.

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Well Australia and Canada each have a higher quality of life than the US according to the UN's Human Development Index (it's their main measure of living quality) by a decent margin.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

If you mean being an important player on the world stage, it's probably because none of the countries you listed have 300 million people and a huge military budget.

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Military wise they may not be mighty, but I love New Zealand personally. I am from there too. I still have a NZ passport which helps because nobody hates NZ except maybe Australia but they are just jealous:P

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And to all those saying that it's because of the US' resources, Canada is known to be one of the most resource rich countries in the world. For example, they have the second highest oil reserves (far more than the US) and the third highest amount of renewable water. They also produce nearly as much renewable energy as the US with one tenth the population.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_proven_oil_reserves

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_renewable_water_resources

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_electricity_production_from_renewable_sources

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#41 Hexagon_777
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Of those countries, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand are all very successful. The US just has a bigger population base, but the standard of living is quite high in each of those countries. The more interesting thing that you should note - as you are from the UK - is that all of those countries plus the US were English colonies.

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You left out South Africa in your explanation. :o

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#42 Xx_Hopeless_xX
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Military wise they may not be mighty, but I love New Zealand personally. I am from there too. I still have a NZ passport which helps because nobody hates NZ except maybe Australia but they are just jealous:P

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#43 hiphopballer
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Canada's pretty successful...bluezy

agree Canada is successful. why do u say that Canada is not as successful then US?

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[QUOTE="Film-Guy"]

Military wise they may not be mighty, but I love New Zealand personally. I am from there too. I still have a NZ passport which helps because nobody hates NZ except maybe Australia but they are just jealous:P

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I'd like to visit New Zealand...O_o..

We have penguins, bungee jumping, and Giant hamster balls you can roll down a hill in:D What else do you need in life?

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#45 Silverbond
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The US was chosen to be like this, period.GazaAli
What are you talking about?
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#46 cheesyjon
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Canada's pretty successful...bluezy

Hell yeah!

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[QUOTE="Dylan_11"][QUOTE="grape_of_wrath"] Fine. it boils down to this-The american president is the most powerful man alive ,the candian prime minister isn't even close.even if life for the average candian are better than for the average american.grape_of_wrath
I think every Canadian will be happy with that. You can start wars on a whim if that makes you happy, we will enjoy the good life.

I'm not american.:x just because I don't participate in the oh-so-popular-with-non-americans-online trend of "bash the united states",does not neccessarily mean that I have an american passport. :|

Can you honestly blame me for thinking you were American? Maybe you are a bit naive, also I don't appreciate how you label my gripes with America as being part of a trend.
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Isn't the US the only one that fought and won independence? Those other cowards just waited it out and fought wars for England.

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Isn't the US the only one that fought and won independence? Those other cowards just waited it out and fought wars for England.

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Sucess in terms of military might, influence on the world (politcs etc) and the biggest economy in the world.

error_202
Military - because they're more peaceful (pacifist). Influence & Economy - because they have a smaller population, so naturally a smaller economy. China has a massive population and will soon become the second biggest economy, doesn't really say so much about its success though as it's still not going to be a high-income country.