why do people think 2pac was so great?

[QUOTE="sillaris"]

Just because he died?

eminem>2pac

sboyer2

[QUOTE="sboyer2"][QUOTE="sillaris"]

Just because he died?

eminem>2pac

SapSacPrime

How many people do you know that's still making music years after their death? :PTheokhoth

lol. hes alive :o

Because he died, plain and simple. He wasn't anything too unique or special out of that time period. 2pac dying was the best thing that could have happened to his career.

[QUOTE="weezyfb"][QUOTE="SapSacPrime"] No need for that now :? I find it odd people are so quick to defend a convicted rapist...sboyer2

[QUOTE="JML897"]

[QUOTE="Brainkiller05"]His music was positive and had a message.Brainkiller05

Well...some of his music was positive. Songs like Hit 'Em Up...not so much.

There was nothing revolutionary about Pac. But that doesn't matter he was extremely good at what he did and will always be the greatest.

Because he died, plain and simple. He wasn't anything too unique or special out of that time period. 2pac dying was the best thing that could have happened to his career.

jubino

Me Against the World was a huge album and it was released before his death. It was the #1 album in the US for a month. It's not like he was struggling to get on the charts before his death; he was one of the biggest names in music even before he died.

[QUOTE="jubino"]

Because he died, plain and simple. He wasn't anything too unique or special out of that time period. 2pac dying was the best thing that could have happened to his career.

JML897

Me Against the World was a huge album and it was released before his death. It was the #1 album in the US for a month. It's not like he was struggling to get on the charts before his death; he was one of the biggest names in music even before he died.

[QUOTE="MasterBolt360"]

Here is your answer.

Silenthps

2 Pac got shot onceand died

50 cent(s) got shot multiple times and didn't die. What the heck?

[QUOTE="MasterBolt360"]

Here is your answer.

Silenthps

2 Pac got shot onceand died

50 cent(s) got shot multiple times and didn't die. What the heck?

ShAbInAtOr

He was a legend. If you have to ask, you probably will never understand.

Yeah I'm just gonna'... Be over... Here in this... General... Area...

MrJono789

Famous people tend to be overrated by people who have simplistic taste in music.

Eminem has been dissapointing me a lot lately so I don't know where you got eminem>2pac. I don't think Tupac is the greatest but he is 100x better then any rapper in this day and age in my opinion.

Famous people tend to be overrated by people who have simplistic taste in music.

UbiquitousAeon

Eminem hasn't been nearly as influential as Tupac...every hip/hop rap lover understands how good tupac is. And same with Eminem, but Tupac is an icon, he was the original rapper. Eminem was the best white rapper...some would argue Em is more influential to white people..Wellzification

Why does it matter who you influence? Personally I think Tupac is better, but your post is just messed up. Eminem is liked by MANY black people and he is not only the best white rapper ever he's defintiely top 5 best rappers ever.

One of my favorite songs by Tupac and Nas... Beautiful song... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOiI6zIZXP8

eminem is no doubt a better lyricist than 2pac, but pac is no doubt a better song writer than em. eminem hasn't released anything worthwhile in over 8 years, pac was releasing great material until the day he died. 2pac is not a top 10 mc imo (either is em), but the poetic nature and beauty of a lot of his songs put him into a special place in hip hop history. dude was more of a poet than actual mc.

eminem is no doubt a better lyricist than 2pac, but pac is no doubt a better song writer than em. eminem hasn't released anything worthwhile in over 8 years, pac was releasing great material until the day he died. 2pac is not a top 10 mc imo (either is em), but the poetic nature and beauty of a lot of his songs put him into a special place in hip hop history. dude was more of a poet than actual mc.

lazerface216

Pac not in the top 10? I understand its your opinion. I'd like for you to show your top 10 though :P

Just because he died?

eminem>2pac

[QUOTE="Wellzification"]Eminem hasn't been nearly as influential as Tupac...every hip/hop rap lover understands how good tupac is. And same with Eminem, but Tupac is an icon, he was the original rapper. Eminem was the best white rapper...some would argue Em is more influential to white people..bigblunt537

he is not only the best white rapper ever he's defintiely top 5 best rappers ever.

this is obviously YOUR opinion and a very debatable one at that....

[QUOTE="bigblunt537"]

[QUOTE="Wellzification"]Eminem hasn't been nearly as influential as Tupac...every hip/hop rap lover understands how good tupac is. And same with Eminem, but Tupac is an icon, he was the original rapper. Eminem was the best white rapper...some would argue Em is more influential to white people..lazerface216

he is not only the best white rapper ever he's defintiely top 5 best rappers ever.

this is obviously YOUR opinion and a very debatable one at that....

I agree I thought it was known that you can't put a number on it without it being an opinion? lol Well I know many that would agree. More so then those who wouldn't agree.

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

eminem is no doubt a better lyricist than 2pac, but pac is no doubt a better song writer than em. eminem hasn't released anything worthwhile in over 8 years, pac was releasing great material until the day he died. 2pac is not a top 10 mc imo (either is em), but the poetic nature and beauty of a lot of his songs put him into a special place in hip hop history. dude was more of a poet than actual mc.

bigblunt537

Pac not in the top 10? I understand its your opinion. I'd like for you to show your top 10 though :P

my personal top 10 in no order:

rakim

nas

jay-z

ghostface

black thought

notorious b.i.g.

gza

krs-one

mos def

big pun

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

[QUOTE="bigblunt537"]

rong>he is not only the best white rapper ever he's defintiely top 5 best rappers ever.

bigblunt537

this is obviously YOUR opinion and a very debatable one at that....

I agree I thought it was known that you can't put a number on it without it being an opinion? lol Well I know many that would agree. More so then those who wouldn't agree.

lol well you made it sound like it was a fact the way you posted it.

pac and em are definitely in my top 20 though.

now that i'm thinking about it, i forgot about BDK, he's definitely top 10 material...

[QUOTE="bigblunt537"]

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

eminem is no doubt a better lyricist than 2pac, but pac is no doubt a better song writer than em. eminem hasn't released anything worthwhile in over 8 years, pac was releasing great material until the day he died. 2pac is not a top 10 mc imo (either is em), but the poetic nature and beauty of a lot of his songs put him into a special place in hip hop history. dude was more of a poet than actual mc.

lazerface216

Pac not in the top 10? I understand its your opinion. I'd like for you to show your top 10 though :P

my personal top 10 in no order:

rakim

nas

jay-z

ghostface

black thought

notorious b.i.g.

gza

krs-one

mos def

big pun

Very respectable list except I'd take out BIG and put in Tupac lmao (let the wars begin)

[QUOTE="lazerface216"]

[QUOTE="bigblunt537"]

Pac not in the top 10? I understand its your opinion. I'd like for you to show your top 10 though :P

bigblunt537

my personal top 10 in no order:

rakim

nas

jay-z

ghostface

black thought

notorious b.i.g.

gza

krs-one

mos def

big pun

Very respectable list except I'd take out BIG and put in Tupac lmao (let the wars begin)

lol that's cool, now that i'm thinking about it i would probably switch out pun for BDK or kool g rap. my top 10 changes every few months or so...:lol:

reggie watts ----s on everyone

[QUOTE="UbiquitousAeon"]

Famous people tend to be overrated by people who have simplistic taste in music.

Mystic-G

I'd say because he made some tracks about some real stuff he went through in his life that a lot of people were able to relate to

not to take anything away from the dead poets abilities, but IMO ... GZA > TuPac

IMO the best rapper ever is Nas, he not only has the best lyrics, but he has the best beats. Illmatic and God's son !!!scottiescott238

I'm a huge Nas fan, but even he admitted that he doesn't have the best beats. After Illmatic, his beat selection has been really suspect.

but IMO ... GZA > TuPac

_R34LiTY_

nice...

Tupac was in the game when the game was just starting, and he was able to express his life and the life of the streets in a way that not a single other rap artist has ever been able to do. he's not my fav rap artist, but he is thought of as being the greatest ever by the masses for a reason. his albums were always great, and with releasing five albums (4 of which have gone platinum) is a triumph that not many rappers can claim. he was a ladies man, a thug and a poet all at the same time. Em is great, and he spits lyrics like no other, but it's not all about rapping. it's about connecting to the audience...creating movements that ppl will follow...and Em just hasn't been able to duplicate this. yes Em has changed the game, but not to Tupac standards. pay respect tc to the great Tupac because he deserves it.

Rap is making music, but HipHop is a lifestyle...and the younger kids listening to Rap don't realize the difference. hell, many older ppl get this idea misconstrued. so if you claim that an artist is making hiphopyou are naive because you don't make hiphop - you live it.

[QUOTE="scottiescott238"] IMO the best rapper ever is Nas, he not only has the best lyrics, but he has the best beats. Illmatic and God's son !!!JML897

I'm a huge Nas fan, but even he admitted that he doesn't have the best beats. After Illmatic, his beat selection has been really suspect.

i agree 100%, nas is VERY hit or miss with his beat selection. illmatic was flawless and even it was written was very consistent but something happened after that.

[QUOTE="scottiescott238"] IMO the best rapper ever is Nas, he not only has the best lyrics, but he has the best beats. Illmatic and God's son !!!JML897

I'm a huge Nas fan, but even he admitted that he doesn't have the best beats. After Illmatic, his beat selection has been really suspect.

Que???!!? Nas is my favorite rapper so this definitely has a ton of bias in it, but whats wrong with NAs beats? I don't care what he says because honestly I think his best albums were actually after Illmatic. Coming from a Nas fan that means a lot I think. Illmatic was decent to me, but I thought he got better with every album.

[QUOTE="JML897"]

[QUOTE="scottiescott238"] IMO the best rapper ever is Nas, he not only has the best lyrics, but he has the best beats. Illmatic and God's son !!!lazerface216

I'm a huge Nas fan, but even he admitted that he doesn't have the best beats. After Illmatic, his beat selection has been really suspect.

i agree 100%, nas is VERY hit or miss with his beat selection. illmatic was flawless and even it was written was very consistent but something happened after that.

I am heart broken :cry:

[QUOTE="JML897"]

[QUOTE="scottiescott238"] IMO the best rapper ever is Nas, he not only has the best lyrics, but he has the best beats. Illmatic and God's son !!!bigblunt537

I'm a huge Nas fan, but even he admitted that he doesn't have the best beats. After Illmatic, his beat selection has been really suspect.

Que???!!? Nas is my favorite rapper so this definitely has a ton of bias in it, but whats wrong with NAs beats? I don't care what he says because honestly I think his best albums were actually after Illmatic. Coming from a Nas fan that means a lot I think. Illmatic was decent to me, but I thought he got better with every album.

i have to disagree with you my friend. nas has never come close to what he accomplished with illmatic. illmatic is the definitive hip hop record, flawless in almost every way from production to lyricism. it's 36 minutes of pure hip hop, no skits or filler at all. nas has never been able to achieve that passion and hunger he had on illmatic and i can understand that seeing that he was in a totally different place, both mentally and physically, when it was released.