Why are liberals so emotional and irrational?

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

Someone taking responsibility for his own life and expenses rather than having the government steal money from people to buy stuff for others is in no way the equivalent of having your house catch on fire and dumping gasoline on it to try to put it out. That is one of the worst analogies I have ever seen.Laihendi

The issue is that you're only makes the problem worse. It in no way solves the underlying issues (besides being completely unreasonable at this point). Hence the analogy. Honestly, if that was Ron Paul's actual suggestion, that probably the greatest amount of idiocy I've seen expressed on the issue. I'd wager an hour of research could have avoided that.

Right... because the for-profit insurance industry that we have here in America is working just great.

Another thread that of course has Obama's name in it.

Shocker.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]How is someone taking responsibility for his own expenses making anything worse? What underlying issues are solved by socialized healthcare as opposed to people simply taking responsibility for their own healthcare?Kickinurass

The governmental goal of providing affordable and quality healthcare to all it's citizens, not just the ones able to pay?

Question - do you also support the removal of EMTALA?

And not being able to pay for your expenses is not a justification for stealing from someone else.

So yes.

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Abbeten

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[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]How is someone taking responsibility for his own expenses making anything worse? What underlying issues are solved by socialized healthcare as opposed to people simply taking responsibility for their own healthcare?Laihendi

The governmental goal of providing affordable and quality healthcare to all it's citizens, not just the ones able to pay?

Question - do you also support the removal of EMTALA?

And not being able to pay for your expenses is not a justification for stealing from someone else.

So yes.

Smells like /pol/ princeofshapeir

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]How is someone taking responsibility for his own expenses making anything worse? What underlying issues are solved by socialized healthcare as opposed to people simply taking responsibility for their own healthcare?Laihendi

The governmental goal of providing affordable and quality healthcare to all it's citizens, not just the ones able to pay?

Question - do you also support the removal of EMTALA?

And not being able to pay for your expenses is not a justification for stealing from someone else.

So yes.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

The governmental goal of providing affordable and quality healthcare to all it's citizens, not just the ones able to pay?

Question - do you also support the removal of EMTALA?

Abbeten

And not being able to pay for your expenses is not a justification for stealing from someone else.

So yes.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

The governmental goal of providing affordable and quality healthcare to all it's citizens, not just the ones able to pay?

Question - do you also support the removal of EMTALA?

Abbeten

And not being able to pay for your expenses is not a justification for stealing from someone else.

So yes.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

The governmental goal of providing affordable and quality healthcare to all it's citizens, not just the ones able to pay?

Question - do you also support the removal of EMTALA?

Abbeten

And not being able to pay for your expenses is not a justification for stealing from someone else.

So yes.

Typical Laihendi spilling out his retardations. *yawn*

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[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

The governmental goal of providing affordable and quality healthcare to all it's citizens, not just the ones able to pay?

Question - do you also support the removal of EMTALA?

Abbeten

And not being able to pay for your expenses is not a justification for stealing from someone else.

So yes.

I am against hospitals being forced to provide care for anyone. Each hospital should establish its own rules for who they will or will not care for. People using hospital services without paying for them is just making healthcare more expensive for everyone else.

And not being able to pay for your expenses is not a justification for stealing from someone else.

So yes.

Laihendi

Then what of people that can't afford it? Are we simply to leave them to essentially live a short, painful life if they are unable to get needed medical experience? Will doctors simply turn away any veteran, old person, pregnant woman, or and poor person who arrives for treatment? Hell, are they to turn down a wealthy individual who was in an accident until they can verify his ability to pay?

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] I am against hospitals being forced to provide care for anyone. Each hospital should establish its own rules for who they will or will not care for. People using hospital services without paying for them is just making healthcare more expensive for everyone else.

And not being able to pay for your expenses is not a justification for stealing from someone else.

So yes.

Laihendi

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[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

The governmental goal of providing affordable and quality healthcare to all it's citizens, not just the ones able to pay?

Question - do you also support the removal of EMTALA?

Abbeten

And not being able to pay for your expenses is not a justification for stealing from someone else.

So yes.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] I am against hospitals being forced to provide care for anyone. Each hospital should establish its own rules for who they will or will not care for. People using hospital services without paying for them is just making healthcare more expensive for everyone else.

And not being able to pay for your expenses is not a justification for stealing from someone else.

So yes.

22Toothpicks

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[QUOTE="Abbeten"] so yeah laihendi is literally advocating for letting people die in the streetsPannicAtack

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

I am against hospitals being forced to provide care for anyone. Each hospital should establish its own rules for who they will or will not care for. People using hospital services without paying for them is just making healthcare more expensive for everyone else.

And not being able to pay for your expenses is not a justification for stealing from someone else.

So yes.

Kickinurass

Then what of people that can't afford it? Are we simply to leave them to essentially live a short, painful life if they are unable to get needed medical experience? Will doctors simply turn away any veteran, old person, pregnant woman, or and poor person who arrives for treatment? Hell, are they to turn down a wealthy individual who was in an accident until they can verify his ability to pay?

Guys

Guys

Did you see what happened today?

The boy scouts are lifting their ban on gay members.

You see? The free market works. Albeit taking 12 years. But yes. It took the free market 12 years to fix something.

Now think of how long that dead body will lie rotting on the street before the free market does something.

Guys

Guys

Did you see what happened today?

The boy scouts are lifting their ban on gay members.

You see? The free market works. Albeit taking 12 years. But yes. It took the free market 12 years to fix something.

Now think of how long that dead body will lie rotting on the street before the free market does something.

DroidPhysX

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Guys

Guys

Did you see what happened today?

The boy scouts are lifting their ban on gay members.

You see? The free market works. Albeit taking 12 years. But yes. It took the free market 12 years to fix something.

Now think of how long that dead body will lie rotting on the street before the free market does something.

Laihendi

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

I am against hospitals being forced to provide care for anyone. Each hospital should establish its own rules for who they will or will not care for. People using hospital services without paying for them is just making healthcare more expensive for everyone else.

And not being able to pay for your expenses is not a justification for stealing from someone else.

So yes.

Laihendi

Then what of people that can't afford it? Are we simply to leave them to essentially live a short, painful life if they are unable to get needed medical experience? Will doctors simply turn away any veteran, old person, pregnant woman, or and poor person who arrives for treatment? Hell, are they to turn down a wealthy individual who was in an accident until they can verify his ability to pay?

Charity is not going to cover the ~$1 trillion hole (minimum) left by the removal of Medicaid/Medicare. That can't be a serious answer.

[QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

I am against hospitals being forced to provide care for anyone. Each hospital should establish its own rules for who they will or will not care for. People using hospital services without paying for them is just making healthcare more expensive for everyone else.

And not being able to pay for your expenses is not a justification for stealing from someone else.

So yes.

Laihendi

Then what of people that can't afford it? Are we simply to leave them to essentially live a short, painful life if they are unable to get needed medical experience? Will doctors simply turn away any veteran, old person, pregnant woman, or and poor person who arrives for treatment? Hell, are they to turn down a wealthy individual who was in an accident until they can verify his ability to pay?

This line gets me, since for me to understand you, taxation = theft. So basically for the theft to stop, that means no taxation, and without any taxation, that would basically destroy any form of government. I could imagine laihendi calling 911 during an emergency if his ideal world was in place: before an ambulance or police are able to arrive, a credit card transaction must occur over the phone, then when they arrive, further payments may or may not be required in order to establish assistance.

Aren't you the guy that said Children don't have rights?

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Kickinurass"]

Then what of people that can't afford it? Are we simply to leave them to essentially live a short, painful life if they are unable to get needed medical experience? Will doctors simply turn away any veteran, old person, pregnant woman, or and poor person who arrives for treatment? Hell, are they to turn down a wealthy individual who was in an accident until they can verify his ability to pay?

22Toothpicks

[QUOTE="22Toothpicks"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] 1. If someone can't afford his own expenses then he should find someone who will voluntarily help him. Again, not being able to afford something you need is not a justification for theft. 2. I think a decent idea would be for hospitals to accept emergency patients the first time and give them a bill afterwards, and then just ban them from any future care until they pay for it.PannicAtack

Oh great GlitchSpot is taking a wet dump again. -.-22Toothpicks

Yeah was weird, I blinked and 3 posts popped up. But, all is taken care of.

Humans have a tendency to be emotional and irrational when their beliefs are questioned, it isn't just a liberal trait.

Humans have a tendency to be emotional and irrational when their beliefs are questioned, it isn't just a liberal trait.

LLYNCES

And then when you have someone like Ron Paul arguing against medicair and medicaid and saying you shoud just be responsible for your own medical expenses instead of having the government take your money and spend it for you, he gets accused of hating poor and old people.Laihendi

I have been wondering this for a long time and it still does not make sense to me. Everytime I try to talk to a liberal about issues such as welfare, restrictive sex laws, restrictive gun laws, a politician he likes, etc. they always seem to get very emotional and agitated and it becomes impossible to have a calm, objective, and rational discussion.

For example I have had people say things like I don't care about children just because I am against pre-k in state schools since it is basically a babysitting service funded by tax dollars. Or when I wasn't happy about Obama being elected back in 2008 a bunch of people I knew said I was racist, including some family members even though I don't care about Obama's race at all. They all acted like we should be proud to have a black man elected president while completely ignoring the fact that he was the most unqualified president ever elected and his policies are just more statism like Bush.

These same people criticize conservatives for being "a bunch of old white guys" as if there is anything wrong with being old or white.

And then when you have someone like Ron Paul arguing against medicair and medicaid and saying you shoud just be responsible for your own medical expenses instead of having the government take your money and spend it for you, he gets accused of hating poor and old people. The things they say and believe are just very irrational.

Laihendi

You suck, you're a hater, and you're a racist.

On the subject of emotion and irrationality:

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On the subject of emotion and irrationality:

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