Who is in the world is this RON PAUL guy?

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#1 Posted by megaspiderweb09 (3686 posts) -

I would like firstly apologize if anyone would find this offensive, as i am not american. I stumbled upon this video of this politician named Ron Paul and one thing that got me from the whole video was something that i can very much agree with CORPORATIONS ARE IN BED WITH THE GOVERNMENT. That for me perhaps is the most credible thing i ever heard from politicians anywhere around the world, the fact that business moguls have been sleeping with people who are meant to be our representatives for so long that they are almost the same now.

So my inquisition, who is this Ron Paul guy and why did a lot of people never hear about him, is it cause he's telling the truth people do not wana hear or his he a lunatic ?

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#3 Posted by Bigboss232 (4997 posts) -

No people would rather vote for mister monsanto protection act president.

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#4 Posted by Retro_Future (118 posts) -

He was the face of the liberty movement over the past few years are brought a lot of attention to libertarianism in general. A lot of people did hear about him, however they disagreed with a number of his policies. His stances on the Wars in Afghanistan and Iraq and War on Drugs garnered a lot of support but people tended to disagree with his social and economic policies. 

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#5 Posted by AussieePet (11424 posts) -
Yawns, This topic and thread puts me to sleep.
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#6 Posted by JohnF111 (14187 posts) -
The government was built on capitalism, so yeah he's right about that. The two are so tightly knit together that you can't change it without starting over completely.
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#7 Posted by Nick3306 (3401 posts) -
Ron Paul gets a lot of support for stating the obvious like in the video. A lot of his supporters are pot heads who cant see how flawed his economic polices are. I remember reading an article somewhere that Stephan Colberts super pac actually collected more money than ron pauls. I'm not sure how accurate that is but it's funny as hell if it is accurate.
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#8 Posted by mattbbpl (15150 posts) -
Ron Paul gets a lot of support for stating the obvious like in the video. A lot of his supporters are pot heads who cant see how flawed his economic polices are. I remember reading an article somewhere that Stephan Colberts super pac actually collected more money than ron pauls. I'm not sure how accurate that is but it's funny as hell if it is accurate.Nick3306
It's definitely irritating that a lot of the good Libertarian stances (decreasing foreign conflicts, decreasing subsidies, etc) are married with ridiculous ideas like returning to the gold standard, getting rid of medicare and social security, removing all regulations, etc.
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#9 Posted by Nuck81 (6981 posts) -
Ron Paul is just an old racist that is trying to desperately to remain relevant in today's political climate. Hopefully his son will fade away as well. Neither really have, will have,or ever had a legitmate shot at being POTUS
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#10 Posted by Laihendi (5876 posts) -
He is the man who would have saved this country.
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#11 Posted by lamprey263 (35021 posts) -
he's Laihendi's daddy
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#12 Posted by Laihendi (5876 posts) -
[QUOTE="Nick3306"]Ron Paul gets a lot of support for stating the obvious like in the video. A lot of his supporters are pot heads who cant see how flawed his economic polices are. I remember reading an article somewhere that Stephan Colberts super pac actually collected more money than ron pauls. I'm not sure how accurate that is but it's funny as hell if it is accurate.mattbbpl
It's definitely irritating that a lot of the good Libertarian stances (decreasing foreign conflicts, decreasing subsidies, etc) are married with ridiculous ideas like returning to the gold standard, getting rid of medicare and social security, removing all regulations, etc.

Those are not ridiculous ideas. Fiat currency, medicare, and social security are theft. [quote="Alan Greenspan"]Gold and economic freedom are inseparable, . . . the gold standard is an instrument of laissez-faire and . . . each implies and requires the other. What medium of exchange will be acceptable to all participants in an economy is not determined arbitrarily. Where store-of-value considerations are important, as they are in richer, more civilized societies, the medium of exchange must be a durable commodity, usually a metal. A metal is generally chosen because it is homogeneous and divisible: every unit is the same as every other and it can be blended or formed in any quantity. Precious jewels, for example, are neither homogeneous nor divisible. More important, the commodity chosen as a medium must be a luxury. Human desires for luxuries are unlimited and, therefore, luxury goods are always in demand and will always be acceptable . . . . The term luxury good implies scarcity and high unit value. Having a high unit value, such a good is easily portable; for instance, an ounce of gold is worth a half-ton of pig iron . . . . Under the gold standard, a free banking system stands as the protector of an economys stability and balanced growth. In the absence of the gold standard, there is no way to protect savings from confiscation through inflation. There is no safe store of value. If there were, the government would have to make its holding illegal, as was done in the case of gold . . . . The financial policy of the welfare state requires that there be no way for the owners of wealth to protect themselves. This is the shabby secret of the welfare statists tirades against gold. Deficit spending is simply a scheme for the hidden confiscation of wealth. Gold stands in the way of this insidious process. It stands as a protector of property rights. If one grasps this, one has no difficulty in understanding the statists antagonism toward the gold standard.

Also government regulations are just an excuse to prop up government-supported monopolies.
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#13 Posted by Retro_Future (118 posts) -

He is the man who would have saved this country.Laihendi

Given our combative and do-nothing congress I have my doubts as to how much "saving" would actually occur. 

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#14 Posted by hoola (6422 posts) -

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]He is the man who would have saved this country.Retro_Future

Given our combative and do-nothing congress I have my doubts as to how much "saving" would actually occur. 

And that right there is one of the problems.  A president alone cannot change the country, not even Ron Paul.  If a liberty candidate were to become president they would have to promote getting people with similar views into congress.  

And regarding corporations - you just need to have an open mind and realize what a typical politican is.  Many people on this forum will sit here and hate on corporations and government, then vote for authoritarian losers and fascists like Obama and Romney who hold the same ideologies that caused the problem in the first place.  

When a politician comes along (Ron Paul) who actually understands the issue and truly believes it is a problem, the anti-corporatists will call him a kook and nutjob then go and vote for the corporatist.  And this didn't just happen on the republican side, Dennis Kucinich (an extreme socialist) is just as principled as Ron Paul but is a part of the democrats.  When he ran for president people attacked him the same way they attacked Ron Paul - they called him a nutjob extremist.  

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#15 Posted by Retro_Future (118 posts) -

Those are not ridiculous ideas. Fiat currency, medicare, and social security are theft.Laihendi

I would sense there would be some issues which reverting to the gold standard, both domestically and in the global markets. I am not an economist nor have I studied enough on the subject to give specifics but I sense a transition would be complicated and less than smooth (maybe not even feasible or practical).

Also government regulations are just an excuse to prop up government-supported monopolies.Laihendi

I wouldn't group all regulations into that camp. I think sensible regulations should exist and be enforced. 

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#16 Posted by Nick3306 (3401 posts) -
I love the people who are so delusional that they think an end to all government regulations is a good thing. Companies will always choose profit over well being of its employees or the economy. I also think the libertarian stance of foreign conflicts is a negative, sure the wars in iraq and afganistan are controversial, but how do you think ron paul would be handling this North Korea situation? My guess is he would just send them more aid and let them have nuclear weapons. Obama's handling of the situation (ex: B-2 fly over) has been top notch imo and I'm not even a big obama supporter.
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#17 Posted by -Sun_Tzu- (17384 posts) -
He is the man who would have saved this country.Laihendi
Ah, vanguardism. You'd make Lenin proud.
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#18 Posted by deactivated-59d151f079814 (47239 posts) -
Ron Paul is a pretty big fvcking hypocrite.. We just recently had the story where he tried to use the UN as leverage to pretty much force a pro Ron Paul group to give up ronpaul url so he could use it.. Which pretty much illustrates that he doesn't really care about libertarian ideas if they don't suit him.
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#19 Posted by MetroidPrimePwn (12399 posts) -

He's what libertarian atheists use as a replacement for Jesus even though they all deny that atheism is a religion.

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#20 Posted by MakeMeaSammitch (4889 posts) -

a crazy racist.

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#21 Posted by MakeMeaSammitch (4889 posts) -

He's what libertarian atheists use as a replacement for Jesus even though they all deny that atheism is a religion.

MetroidPrimePwn

this is sadly not far from the truth.

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#22 Posted by Laihendi (5876 posts) -
[QUOTE="Nick3306"]I love the people who are so delusional that they think an end to all government regulations is a good thing. Companies will always choose profit over well being of its employees or the economy. I also think the libertarian stance of foreign conflicts is a negative, sure the wars in iraq and afganistan are controversial, but how do you think ron paul would be handling this North Korea situation? My guess is he would just send them more aid and let them have nuclear weapons. Obama's handling of the situation (ex: B-2 fly over) has been top notch imo and I'm not even a big obama supporter.

Companies are not charity organizations. They exist to make money. If you do not approve of a company's working conditions then you should simply choose not to work there. The idea that it is bad for a company to maximize profits is idiotic and contradicts the reason that companies even exist.
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#23 Posted by Laihendi (5876 posts) -
[QUOTE="Laihendi"]He is the man who would have saved this country.-Sun_Tzu-
Ah, vanguardism. You'd make Lenin proud.

Is this a joke? Lenin was a communist.
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#24 Posted by MakeMeaSammitch (4889 posts) -

[QUOTE="Nick3306"]I love the people who are so delusional that they think an end to all government regulations is a good thing. Companies will always choose profit over well being of its employees or the economy. I also think the libertarian stance of foreign conflicts is a negative, sure the wars in iraq and afganistan are controversial, but how do you think ron paul would be handling this North Korea situation? My guess is he would just send them more aid and let them have nuclear weapons. Obama's handling of the situation (ex: B-2 fly over) has been top notch imo and I'm not even a big obama supporter.Laihendi
Companies are not charity organizations. They exist to make money. If you do not approve of a company's working conditions then you should simply choose not to work there. The idea that it is bad for a company to maximize profits is idiotic and contradicts the reason that companies even exist.

that doesn't make sence derp, some people are going to have to accept the work because there are a limited number of jobs out there and without a job you starve in your any rand distopia.

Play bioshock lai.

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#25 Posted by -Sun_Tzu- (17384 posts) -

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]He is the man who would have saved this country.Laihendi
Ah, vanguardism. You'd make Lenin proud.

Is this a joke? Lenin was a communist.

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#26 Posted by megaspiderweb09 (3686 posts) -

[QUOTE="Nick3306"]I love the people who are so delusional that they think an end to all government regulations is a good thing. Companies will always choose profit over well being of its employees or the economy. I also think the libertarian stance of foreign conflicts is a negative, sure the wars in iraq and afganistan are controversial, but how do you think ron paul would be handling this North Korea situation? My guess is he would just send them more aid and let them have nuclear weapons. Obama's handling of the situation (ex: B-2 fly over) has been top notch imo and I'm not even a big obama supporter.Laihendi
Companies are not charity organizations. They exist to make money. If you do not approve of a company's working conditions then you should simply choose not to work there. The idea that it is bad for a company to maximize profits is idiotic and contradicts the reason that companies even exist.

I understand your view point, but i kindly disagree with you. Corporations are a social construct created by humans, long before their inceptions humans survived by owning farms n feeding their families, engaging in trade barter n blah blah blah, untill we adopted the idea of the monetary system which in the long run birthed corporation as a legal person. Here is the problem, a corporation doesnt have similar values like the humans who created it, infact the corporation was created with a greedy, selfish agenda, the worst trait of humanity which is reflecting on us today. Human values are food, shelter, happiness and family while a corporation who poses itself under law as a person has values far removed from human wants.

Long story short, greedy basterds have created a frankenstein of a problem that is becoming difficult to deal with, i can go as far as to say that the corporation has been the reason human conditions have gone downhill over the years, from profit motivated sustainable wars, environmental destruction and deconstruction of the humans who created itself, the list itself doesnt end.

I am presently with the business school and one of our main core is how to radically redefine sustainable business cause this present pyscopath will bring an end to humanity faster than any dooms day mayan or alien bullshit popular media talks about

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#27 Posted by MakeMeaSammitch (4889 posts) -

respond to my post lai.

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#29 Posted by lostrib (49999 posts) -

He's this libertarian that will never win the presidency

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#30 Posted by Laihendi (5876 posts) -

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Nick3306"]I love the people who are so delusional that they think an end to all government regulations is a good thing. Companies will always choose profit over well being of its employees or the economy. I also think the libertarian stance of foreign conflicts is a negative, sure the wars in iraq and afganistan are controversial, but how do you think ron paul would be handling this North Korea situation? My guess is he would just send them more aid and let them have nuclear weapons. Obama's handling of the situation (ex: B-2 fly over) has been top notch imo and I'm not even a big obama supporter.MakeMeaSammitch

Companies are not charity organizations. They exist to make money. If you do not approve of a company's working conditions then you should simply choose not to work there. The idea that it is bad for a company to maximize profits is idiotic and contradicts the reason that companies even exist.

that doesn't make sence derp, some people are going to have to accept the work because there are a limited number of jobs out there and without a job you starve in your any rand distopia.

Play bioshock lai.

People are left without a job when government regulations force a company out of business or to close branches because it is not making a profit. Yes, people have to accept work in order to earn a living. No, the material necessities of life do not magically create themselves. If you want a job that is offered to you, then take it. If you do not, then don't. Killing that job off and making it impossible for anyone to get will do nothing to help you find work. That is irrational and destructive, and it is clear that you do not have even the slightest understanding of economics. At this point I am almost certain that you are an alt of someone on TDH and you are just trying to troll me.
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#31 Posted by Laihendi (5876 posts) -

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Nick3306"]I love the people who are so delusional that they think an end to all government regulations is a good thing. Companies will always choose profit over well being of its employees or the economy. I also think the libertarian stance of foreign conflicts is a negative, sure the wars in iraq and afganistan are controversial, but how do you think ron paul would be handling this North Korea situation? My guess is he would just send them more aid and let them have nuclear weapons. Obama's handling of the situation (ex: B-2 fly over) has been top notch imo and I'm not even a big obama supporter.megaspiderweb09

Companies are not charity organizations. They exist to make money. If you do not approve of a company's working conditions then you should simply choose not to work there. The idea that it is bad for a company to maximize profits is idiotic and contradicts the reason that companies even exist.

I understand your view point, but i kindly disagree with you. Corporations are a social construct created by humans, long before their inceptions humans survived by owning farms n feeding their families, engaging in trade barter n blah blah blah, untill we adopted the idea of the monetary system which in the long run birthed corporation as a legal person. Here is the problem, a corporation doesnt have similar values like the humans who created it, infact the corporation was created with a greedy, selfish agenda, the worst trait of humanity which is reflecting on us today. Human values are food, shelter, happiness and family while a corporation who poses itself under law as a person has values far removed from human wants.

Long story short, greedy basterds have created a frankenstein of a problem that is becoming difficult to deal with, i can go as far as to say that the corporation has been the reason human conditions have gone downhill over the years, from profit motivated sustainable wars, environmental destruction and deconstruction of the humans who created itself, the list itself doesnt end.

I am presently with the business school and one of our main core is how to radically redefine sustainable business cause this present pyscopath will bring an end to humanity faster than any dooms day mayan or alien bullshit popular media talks about

If you believe rational self interest is the worst trait of humanity then you are evil and you do not understand my viewpoint. A rational society is a collection of free individuals cooperating out of self interest. An honest corporation represents rational thinking and productive action, which are the pillars of morality. Private enterprise is the source of food, shelter, and happiness. Wars are waged by governments not corporations. If a corporation has political influence of that degree then that is a reflection of corruption within the government, not of the concept of business. If you are being taught that it is bad for business to make profits rather than give charity then you are going to a socialist school and I recommend transferring because they clearly do not understand business.
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#32 Posted by mattbbpl (15150 posts) -
[QUOTE="megaspiderweb09"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Companies are not charity organizations. They exist to make money. If you do not approve of a company's working conditions then you should simply choose not to work there. The idea that it is bad for a company to maximize profits is idiotic and contradicts the reason that companies even exist.Laihendi

I understand your view point, but i kindly disagree with you. Corporations are a social construct created by humans, long before their inceptions humans survived by owning farms n feeding their families, engaging in trade barter n blah blah blah, untill we adopted the idea of the monetary system which in the long run birthed corporation as a legal person. Here is the problem, a corporation doesnt have similar values like the humans who created it, infact the corporation was created with a greedy, selfish agenda, the worst trait of humanity which is reflecting on us today. Human values are food, shelter, happiness and family while a corporation who poses itself under law as a person has values far removed from human wants.

Long story short, greedy basterds have created a frankenstein of a problem that is becoming difficult to deal with, i can go as far as to say that the corporation has been the reason human conditions have gone downhill over the years, from profit motivated sustainable wars, environmental destruction and deconstruction of the humans who created itself, the list itself doesnt end.

I am presently with the business school and one of our main core is how to radically redefine sustainable business cause this present pyscopath will bring an end to humanity faster than any dooms day mayan or alien bullshit popular media talks about

If you believe rational self interest is the worst trait of humanity then you are evil and you do not understand my viewpoint. A rational society is a collection of free individuals cooperating out of self interest. An honest corporation represents rational thinking and productive action, which are the pillars of morality. Private enterprise is the source of food, shelter, and happiness. Wars are waged by governments not corporations. If a corporation has political influence of that degree then that is a reflection of corruption within the government, not of the concept of business. If you are being taught that it is bad for business to make profits rather than give charity then you are going to a socialist school and I recommend transferring because they clearly do not understand business.

Tell me Lai, what business and economics degrees/qualifications do you possess?
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#33 Posted by Ace6301 (21389 posts) -
A man most famous for telling the internet something is happening.
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#34 Posted by MrPraline (21351 posts) -
Best way to find out is by reading some of his articles.
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#35 Posted by Laihendi (5876 posts) -
[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="megaspiderweb09"]

I understand your view point, but i kindly disagree with you. Corporations are a social construct created by humans, long before their inceptions humans survived by owning farms n feeding their families, engaging in trade barter n blah blah blah, untill we adopted the idea of the monetary system which in the long run birthed corporation as a legal person. Here is the problem, a corporation doesnt have similar values like the humans who created it, infact the corporation was created with a greedy, selfish agenda, the worst trait of humanity which is reflecting on us today. Human values are food, shelter, happiness and family while a corporation who poses itself under law as a person has values far removed from human wants.

Long story short, greedy basterds have created a frankenstein of a problem that is becoming difficult to deal with, i can go as far as to say that the corporation has been the reason human conditions have gone downhill over the years, from profit motivated sustainable wars, environmental destruction and deconstruction of the humans who created itself, the list itself doesnt end.

I am presently with the business school and one of our main core is how to radically redefine sustainable business cause this present pyscopath will bring an end to humanity faster than any dooms day mayan or alien bullshit popular media talks about

mattbbpl
If you believe rational self interest is the worst trait of humanity then you are evil and you do not understand my viewpoint. A rational society is a collection of free individuals cooperating out of self interest. An honest corporation represents rational thinking and productive action, which are the pillars of morality. Private enterprise is the source of food, shelter, and happiness. Wars are waged by governments not corporations. If a corporation has political influence of that degree then that is a reflection of corruption within the government, not of the concept of business. If you are being taught that it is bad for business to make profits rather than give charity then you are going to a socialist school and I recommend transferring because they clearly do not understand business.

Tell me Lai, what business and economics degrees/qualifications do you possess?

I do not need qualifications to understand things. I do not need a degree from a business school teaching that it is wrong for businesses to make money and that they should be concerned with making their employees comfortable rather than maing money. That is absurdly irrational and contradictory. I see the world through the clear lense of a rational mind and that is my qualification for any purpose I set my mind to.
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#36 Posted by Squeets (8185 posts) -

Ron Paul was a feckin crazy person.

Rustles all the young people's jimmies and gets them fired up because they are all idiots, but his policies are completely ridiculous.

- 0% income tax? Ok Ron.  There goes most of the government's budget.

- With no budget we either run a $3 trillion deficit every year or poor and old people just start dying, because they won't have welfare for food, medicaid for medicine, medicare for old people medicine, or social security.  And when I say die I mean it... Right now it is illegal to turn away patients if they can't pay, but I bet there would be major overhaul if Ron's plans came, to the tune of you can't pay you gtfo, because having private industry front the bill just isn't going to happen, they would close first.

- Drastically reduce military? Leave all foreign military bases.  K, lets just lay off millions of civilian/DOD employees and ruin the economy of hundreds of cities that we leave in our bases wake's. inb4 "who cares if we ruin the German economy; 'Merica!"

The guy is f-cking insane.

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#37 Posted by -Sun_Tzu- (17384 posts) -

I see the world through the clear lense of a rational mind and that is my qualification for any purpose I set my mind to.Laihendi
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#38 Posted by HoolaHoopMan (9472 posts) -
I don't think the word rational means what you think it means Lai.
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#39 Posted by -Sun_Tzu- (17384 posts) -

I don't think the word rational means what you think it means Lai. HoolaHoopMan
I don't think he knows what most of the words he uses mean in the same sense that a tape recorder doesn't know what it's playing back.

There's not much thinking behind any of his posts, just regurgitation.

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#40 Posted by mattbbpl (15150 posts) -

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]If you believe rational self interest is the worst trait of humanity then you are evil and you do not understand my viewpoint. A rational society is a collection of free individuals cooperating out of self interest. An honest corporation represents rational thinking and productive action, which are the pillars of morality. Private enterprise is the source of food, shelter, and happiness. Wars are waged by governments not corporations. If a corporation has political influence of that degree then that is a reflection of corruption within the government, not of the concept of business. If you are being taught that it is bad for business to make profits rather than give charity then you are going to a socialist school and I recommend transferring because they clearly do not understand business.Laihendi
Tell me Lai, what business and economics degrees/qualifications do you possess?

I do not need qualifications to understand things. I do not need a degree from a business school teaching that it is wrong for businesses to make money and that they should be concerned with making their employees comfortable rather than maing money. That is absurdly irrational and contradictory. I see the world through the clear lense of a rational mind and that is my qualification for any purpose I set my mind to.

That's what I thought. I just wanted to make sure that I was, indeed, listening to yet another Libertarian wagging his high school diploma at others for being uneducated.

 

And yes, corporations are supposed to make a profit. It's their primary goal. But, as almost any business administration curriculum will explain to you, it should not be their only goal. Matters such as long term viability, social sustainability, and, yes, even corporate ethics, should play a role. Unfortunately, many of those are often pushed aside by unscrupulous managers because the corporation's interests don't always coincide with their own interests (which lean much more heavily on short term profits).

Furthermore, on the economics side, pursuing personal self interest in a completely unregulated market does not always lead to the greater good via perfect competition for a myriad of reasons (which, again, you would have covered once you got past the introduction to economics classes).

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#41 Posted by Nuck81 (6981 posts) -

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="mattbbpl"] Tell me Lai, what business and economics degrees/qualifications do you possess? mattbbpl

I do not need qualifications to understand things. I do not need a degree from a business school teaching that it is wrong for businesses to make money and that they should be concerned with making their employees comfortable rather than maing money. That is absurdly irrational and contradictory. I see the world through the clear lense of a rational mind and that is my qualification for any purpose I set my mind to.

That's what I thought. I just wanted to make sure that I was, indeed, listening to yet another Libertarian wagging his high school diploma at others for being uneducated

He hasn't graduated from High School

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#42 Posted by mattbbpl (15150 posts) -

[QUOTE="mattbbpl"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] I do not need qualifications to understand things. I do not need a degree from a business school teaching that it is wrong for businesses to make money and that they should be concerned with making their employees comfortable rather than maing money. That is absurdly irrational and contradictory. I see the world through the clear lense of a rational mind and that is my qualification for any purpose I set my mind to.Nuck81

That's what I thought. I just wanted to make sure that I was, indeed, listening to yet another Libertarian wagging his high school diploma at others for being uneducated

He hasn't graduated from High School

Then his acts of chucking bricks from his glass house are even more appalling.

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#43 Posted by Fightingfan (38011 posts) -

a crazy racist.

MakeMeaSammitch
Even if he is a racist black people would still be better off.
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#44 Posted by worlock77 (22552 posts) -

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="megaspiderweb09"]

I understand your view point, but i kindly disagree with you. Corporations are a social construct created by humans, long before their inceptions humans survived by owning farms n feeding their families, engaging in trade barter n blah blah blah, untill we adopted the idea of the monetary system which in the long run birthed corporation as a legal person. Here is the problem, a corporation doesnt have similar values like the humans who created it, infact the corporation was created with a greedy, selfish agenda, the worst trait of humanity which is reflecting on us today. Human values are food, shelter, happiness and family while a corporation who poses itself under law as a person has values far removed from human wants.

Long story short, greedy basterds have created a frankenstein of a problem that is becoming difficult to deal with, i can go as far as to say that the corporation has been the reason human conditions have gone downhill over the years, from profit motivated sustainable wars, environmental destruction and deconstruction of the humans who created itself, the list itself doesnt end.

I am presently with the business school and one of our main core is how to radically redefine sustainable business cause this present pyscopath will bring an end to humanity faster than any dooms day mayan or alien bullshit popular media talks about

mattbbpl

If you believe rational self interest is the worst trait of humanity then you are evil and you do not understand my viewpoint. A rational society is a collection of free individuals cooperating out of self interest. An honest corporation represents rational thinking and productive action, which are the pillars of morality. Private enterprise is the source of food, shelter, and happiness. Wars are waged by governments not corporations. If a corporation has political influence of that degree then that is a reflection of corruption within the government, not of the concept of business. If you are being taught that it is bad for business to make profits rather than give charity then you are going to a socialist school and I recommend transferring because they clearly do not understand business.

Tell me Lai, what business and economics degrees/qualifications do you possess?

He's a teenager who lives off the parental tit and believes that he's entitled to the wealth they earned.

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#45 Posted by megaspiderweb09 (3686 posts) -

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[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Companies are not charity organizations. They exist to make money. If you do not approve of a company's working conditions then you should simply choose not to work there. The idea that it is bad for a company to maximize profits is idiotic and contradicts the reason that companies even exist.Laihendi

I understand your view point, but i kindly disagree with you. Corporations are a social construct created by humans, long before their inceptions humans survived by owning farms n feeding their families, engaging in trade barter n blah blah blah, untill we adopted the idea of the monetary system which in the long run birthed corporation as a legal person. Here is the problem, a corporation doesnt have similar values like the humans who created it, infact the corporation was created with a greedy, selfish agenda, the worst trait of humanity which is reflecting on us today. Human values are food, shelter, happiness and family while a corporation who poses itself under law as a person has values far removed from human wants.

Long story short, greedy basterds have created a frankenstein of a problem that is becoming difficult to deal with, i can go as far as to say that the corporation has been the reason human conditions have gone downhill over the years, from profit motivated sustainable wars, environmental destruction and deconstruction of the humans who created itself, the list itself doesnt end.

I am presently with the business school and one of our main core is how to radically redefine sustainable business cause this present pyscopath will bring an end to humanity faster than any dooms day mayan or alien bullshit popular media talks about

If you believe rational self interest is the worst trait of humanity then you are evil and you do not understand my viewpoint. A rational society is a collection of free individuals cooperating out of self interest. An honest corporation represents rational thinking and productive action, which are the pillars of morality. Private enterprise is the source of food, shelter, and happiness. Wars are waged by governments not corporations. If a corporation has political influence of that degree then that is a reflection of corruption within the government, not of the concept of business. If you are being taught that it is bad for business to make profits rather than give charity then you are going to a socialist school and I recommend transferring because they clearly do not understand business.

Your idea belongs to the school of taught of Milton Friedman which in theory makes sense but in practically does not. Look i wont get into a rational debate with you because for you to call me EVIL, then you have lost any credibility i may have for you.

Business is the reason the world is DEGRADING!!!...you cannot put a spin on that fact no matter how much you view it and it the long run, there wont be any profit left to make when everything has gone to hell. Business is not an isolated individual from society as your theory suggest, the world is interconnected, there is always a butterfly effect. Also i have to laugh at your logic about private business providing food, you need more exposure honestly, i have been to villages where they feed themselves and do not buy from private corporations. LOL honestly have a good day cause you clearly dont even know much about this topic

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#46 Posted by hartsickdiscipl (14787 posts) -

Ron Paul is one of the only decent men to run for president in the last 50 years.  

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#47 Posted by MrPraline (21351 posts) -

Ron Paul is one of the only decent men to run for president in the last 50 years.  

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#48 Posted by Perfect_Blue (30457 posts) -

Ron Paul is just about the greatest scumbag racist homophobic old fvck who has ever lived.

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#49 Posted by Nick3306 (3401 posts) -

Ron Paul is one of the only decent men to run for president in the last 50 years.  

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He may be a decent man, but his economic policies are so out of whack that electing him would be a disaster.
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#50 Posted by worlock77 (22552 posts) -

Ron Paul is one of the only decent men to run for president in the last 50 years.  

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Uh-huh. He's been just as much of a pandering careerist as any other politician in Washington.