Who here hates masculinity?

no nerve hit at all..., like i said what the Swat guy is doing is indeed admirable the pic is super clear. This is what people do in precarious situations, it has nothing to do with masculinity.

Swat Guy: able bodied

Husband: not able bodied

The husband probably wouldn't get 10 feet carrying his wife n baby before lactic acidosis hits... OR maybe the husband is just an asshole that cares more about his Maroon nikes then his family.. hahaha.. i like how the baby is snoozing like "nobody better wake my slumber"

@multiplat: Pretty much what I thought. Either way, I know who she thought about that night. :D

haha..you know what I am talking about..good on you for looking after yourself. :)

I don't see a lick of irony. I see a curiosity (people getting mad/angry with a picture when it has nothing to do with a topic (game related)), and I thought I'd ask people about it. Because I am curious, and I like to learn. ;)

I'd agree with you on just about everything you said! Tact should ALWAYS be used, and the subject is a touchy one for sure! There's no denying the role of psychology in this instance. Body "shaming" should really be a positive effort attempting to improve the quality of people's lives, and the world as a whole. Teasing/mocking etc overweight people doesn't help and only brings harm...it's a very fine line.

Anyways...I liked your post. Especially about fuel costs! I'd never even really considered it before, but that's a great point. Some quick math: 320,000,000 peeps in the USA (I'm guessing here cause I have work in a bit)...some 60 percent of US adults are obese to some degree. Let's say 240,000,000 are adults...If that's the case, 144,000,000 people are overweight. Let's average that to only 30lbs of extra weight (Again...all these numbers pulled out of my ass). That'd be 4,320,000,000 extra pounds needing to be commuted every day...just in the USA.

I'd love to see some actual math on that and the amount of jet fuel/gasoline/diesel that we spend on a daily basis to offset the extra weight. But yeah...I couldn't agree with you more, man.

Haha, Nasser was beast, but I would never want to look like that. I've never thought bodybuilders look good and they certainly aren't healthy. I know a few, they take so many different chemicals these days, it's not something I would ever want to get into and never have.

I admire the Rock's physique, but even that isn't going to happen without some level of steroid use.

I'm built much like NFL DE Joey Bosa (he's 6'5" 280 lbs), but I have naturally broader shoulders. In fact, I played DE in college also.

Taking pictures of yourself to show your hot bod I associate with narcissism.

If you look at something like twitter, females who perceive themselves as attractive basically spam pictures of themselves, sometimes with obvious fake (insert justification) to cram themselves into a photo.

So yea, common trait to both sex's.

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To me when I think of masculine it's a male who gets shit done without lying down - see sig (which is also applicable to woman) or a male completely secure, not needing to bother with validation, because they intrinsically know the score.

@sonicare: You sound like a Fox News senior citizen.

yes to the op, this i agree with.... masculinity (genuine) is defined as not needing validation in any form, because you already know.... kind of why I thought neither your picture nor the SWAT picture did really capture the definition, that was more like an able bodied citizen doing what any able bodied citizen would do. keyword is able bodied.

Do I honestly feel like I can physically fight very well (1 vs 1) and do maximum damage? yes. Is there anything I do or say to suggest that I can or cannot? nope. well other than this reply

The stereotype actually derives from early social media in regards to those with feelings of insecurities...the beta males. Alpha males are typically leader personality traits and beta's have follower personality traits but in the age of special snowflakes rising, they used social media to turn it around so that Alpha's could no longer be seen as something to envy or respect. We see similar being used for lots of things that some find intimidating. They also sometimes get labeled synonymously with bullies. Masculinity is preferred to be viewed as conceited "Lunk's" from those that lack self confidence, personal pride and a proactive attitude. This spawns, of course the stereotypes of what they look like and muscles being the most easily perceived way to judge someone.

When I was in school, lifting was the way to go. It was a proactive measure to assure future stature in social groups. I noticed a trend just as I was graduating HS where those we called "nerds" started dressing nicer and took on the "nice guy" personality image which later evolved and then changed sharply as social media became more common. Companies like Planet Fitness furthered this complex demonstrating their "Lunk alarm".

Regardless of which personality type you are, there will always be fewer leaders and more followers percentage wise and it's part of human, social nature. People need to recognize that there is nothing wrong with neither, they each serve an important role in any social society. Leader types will always come off to the larger crowd as A**holes though.

Yeah, I'm trying to remember the documentary that brought up the interesting point of increased fuel consumption as a result of excessive weight. I want to say it was Killer At Large. If that's the one I'm thinking of, it was a documentary about the obesity epidemic brought about by the rise of fast food companies, namely McDonald's. Again, if this is the same one I'm thinking of, they also showed a direct correlation to the decline of Japan's health shortly after McDonald's arrived there. I know McDonald's gets a lot of flack for being the harbinger of obesity, and well... rightly so. Their food honestly isn't that good for you and it's addictive and sometimes cheap (as opposed to always being cheap, but inflation's affected them over the recent years as with all other restaurants).

Of course, we all know Morgan Spurlock's Supersize Me. That documentary had so much impact, it caused McDonald's to start changing their policies and marketing. It was kinda pointless, however, when they discontinued their Supersize opinions (although now their larges are just as bad) because people would just buy more fries. What I also found a bit disconcerting was Spurlock's focus on McDonald's as being the main culprit for obesity when there are other fast food chains far worse in fat content than McDonald's, such as Long John Silver's. But well, if you're going to make a point, might as well do it with the biggest name? Right? Another thing that bothered me about Supersize Me was Spurlock's experiment. Basically, eat McDonalds' morning, noon and night (which I doubt even the fattest American does) and don't exercise. Of course, he does this after living a vegan lifestyle with his girlfriend for years, so he immediately suffers system shock...

Supersize Me actually inspired marijuana comic Doug Benson to make his own documentary called Fathead. He came to the same conclusion with Spurlock's experiment being a bit ridiculously flawed, so he modified it a bit. In Fathead, Benson at nothing but fast food for 30 days (which Spurlock actually couldn't even do before getting strongly recommended by his doctor to stop or he could 'DIE' *eye roll*) but he didn't just stick to McDonald's. He went to different restaurants, provided they were still classified as 'fast food'. KFC, Pizza Hut, Boston Market, etc. What he also did differently was limit his caloric intake to, I think it was, 2,500 calories and he watched his fats and carbs. Because he ate smarter, even nothing but 30 days of fast food while also not adding any kind of exercise, he actually LOST 13 pounds at the end of the documentary. This illustrated that Supersize Me was really nothing but an attack on McDonald's in order to sell a movie and did a pretty poor job representing the fast food driven obesity epidemic in America.

And I just realized I took this thread completely off topic! Sorry about that! I just find all this stuff really interesting!

Don't be sorry...this is like a podcast. Sometimes (more often than not, even) the best conversations held are the ones that naturally change subjects. It's how we all learn, yeah? And people will read your words and maybe it'll help them change their life for the better, so good on you.

Regarding fast food...I'm all for it. Just not WHAT they serve. There are so many people that associate red meat with unhealthy diet, but the studies ignore what comes with that red meat. I'll eat a baconator from Wendy's, lettuce wrapped and no sauce...mmm...and healthy. It's all the carbs in the bun/sauces that really screw people over. I eat probably 60 percent meat, 20 percent veggies and then nuts or fuckaround foods the other 20 percent. I'm not a professional athlete. But I do stray from the carbs. It's hilarious, because people get pissed when you order burgers without buns, or decline a piece of birthday cake. I find it fascinating how they are offended. Psychology is quite intriguing.

Well, clearly you do care then. If you didn´t care one bit about what people think, you would not feel the "curiosity" to make a thread about it.

Damn man...you got me so good. Congratulations to your win in showing what a moron I am. :)

See, this is why I don't judge muscleheads based on the few douchey ones I've met over the years anymore.

Funny.

Did you have help coming up with that comeback?

I like to judge people on the merits of their character too. Generally, people who work out tend to be brighter, happier, and more successful in general. That's not BECAUSE they work out...but they just have a little more dedication and/or discipline. You don't see so many doctors/lawyers/engineers etc that are horridly out of shape. Sure, it happens, but it's less common.

That's not to say out of shape people lack discipline. Plenty peeps do great in other areas of life yet neglect their bodies. And, to be honest, I think there are character traits that often align with being out of shape. How many fat comedians are great BECAUSE they've given in to having an unshapely body and use it as a prop, learning to live with it while still having confidence.

Personally...I think there are some people in these boards that think I'm in better shape than I am. You can only see the top 4 of my 6 pack, so I'm only 2/3rds the way to being ripped out like that. Then again I'm married/kids/business so I'm ok with where I'm at. I mostly work out because if I don't...I'll mess things up, somehow, some way. I get a lot of pent up energy and I'm a bit wild...so it's a way to center myself. I'm not out to get poon or anything like that. I have it on demand! Mwa haha.

lol...lot's of anger coming from you, buddy. Relax a little bit. I'll clarify if it helps.

A) I don't care what people think about me on these forums. What I mean by that is this; my confidence isn't affected by opinions on these forums. I wish all my fellow gamer brethren well and all the joy they can handle.

That doesn't mean I can't be curious. I'll make threads about various topics, and from time to time people make references to my picture as though it has anything to do with my character. I find that interesting.

I hope you can get whatever is in your' butt out...I wish you all the happiness in the world and you really seem angry. I hope you can get over it at some point, and that things improve for you.

:)

This thread appears to be a dude fishing for compliments about his body from a bunch of other dudes, then lashing out when they don’t come. Seems like something a woman would do instead of a guy who claims to be masculine.

Some guys are really too absorbed by the image they think they need to have. I noticed that that veil is usually thin and underneath is often an insecure person. Some people are naturally masculine and some are naturally feminine and there is nothing wrong with either. As long as you are true to yourself and don't put up an act. It's pretty liberating to just be you without having the pressure to be someone you're actually not.

I really, really hate it when other blokes get drunk and then insist on wrestling competition to see who's the strongest and manliest bloke around. That is the kind of infantile masculinity I could def live without.

Other I hate is when there is a new girl around, right, and all the other blokes at work start this mating dance by trying to look as masculine and tough as possible so as to attract the new girl. It's like watching monkeys in heat at Discovery Channel. Truly, most of us men are still at the primate state. No evolution whatsoever.

@henrythefifth: humans (including women) are literally primates.

Masculinity has nothing to do with how buff you are. I see it as a state of mind like how you act around people, what you do in certain situations, Are you willing to stand up for yourself even if it's Brock Lesnar trying to start shit.

A comment mentioned dudes acting tough when women are around, yeah that's cringe as F.

Big muscles are signifiers of insecurity, an idea that your body equates to your personality, violence and homoerotisicm.

The concept of male beauty being associated with physical strength stems from ancient Greece where homosexuality was celebrated and (more wealthy) men would take male lovers before getting married and idealised bodies with big muscles became a de facto shorthand for virility and virtue. Hence male gods were always exaggerated in their muscular form. In the Italian renaissance, these concept were reintroduced into mainstream culture which our western culture still refers to.

Insecurity is the reason people want to 'modify' their bodies.

Lifting weights is very unhealthy and causes problems in joints that lead to arthritis and can be crippling.

I'm not out to get poon or anything like that. I have it on demand! Mwa haha.

I just did a little sick in my mouth. :(

Now obesity... :)

Fast food chains are not related to overall population BMI (body mass index) which is fat / height. That is related to inactivity as well as processed food bought in supermarkets and I'm talking about frozen foods. People don't eat at fast foods outlets every day, they mostly eat frozen foods for convenience which are the real culprits. McDonald's won't make you fat because the body cannot process the food and it is mostly turned to waste. Walking less than a mile a day is unhealthy. But US car culture (due in part to the size of the cities, lack of public transport and sidewalks) has eradicated, for the most part the necessity or even convenience to use your actual legs to travel.

Masculine traits exist in women also, so it's irrational to hate traits that we all hold.

@so_hai: Yeah a very weird post topic. Perhaps it was to try to understand how exaggerated gender stereotypes and modes of behaviour perhaps tend to garner negative attention from those who favour the more median or less extreme examples. Perhaps due to the prosthelytizing of those with a more extreme outlook, onto them...

@jackamomo: Yeah. The differences between men and women aren't nearly as pronounced as some activists wish they were.

There's a lot of misinformation in this post. I'm curious where you were told people that exercise are insecure? The data tends to show psychologically healthier and more confident people are prone to work out. Fascinating. I'm also curious how you came to believe lifting weights is unhealthy, as ALL the data from the past 70 years has shown the various benefits of lifting weights.

I'm glad my "poon" comment made you a little sick, just because I find that kind of sensitivity comical. I'm married, an adult, and am sexually active. Sorry for your sensitivity. Don't EVER watch a comedy special on Netflix...you'll be puking on all the walls.

Lastly...claiming that fast food chains (processed sugar specially designed to addict people at affordable prices, packed with lots of convenience) have no relation to a populations bmi goes against all the data from world statistics in the past 30 years at least. Sure, it's just part of the picture of heavily sugar laden, preprocessed (ie digested) food, but it's a large contributor.

Anyways...just wanted to say you may want to investigate some of the claims you made. If you'd like to comment back some retorts to say how your information is accurate, I won't have time to debate flat eathers or young earther type people anymore. Too many fires to put out.

what is and is not 'masculine' is highly subjective.

usually it just describes aggression

@jackamomo: It's amazing that everything g you've just said is wrong, impressive to say the least.

One of the most wrong posts I've ever seen on a forum that wasn't a blatant troll attempt.

@todddow:

What are big muscles for if your not doing a job that requires them? It is an aesthetic choice based on your opinion that you would prefer a particular body shape.

Larger muscles are not even required for strength as they tend to be full of water (if you cheat) and lifting weights puts strain on your joints. I think you have to be very careful not to overdo it.

"...attempting to lift weights that are too heavy can result in muscle injuries and other health problems. This is especially important if you are trying to lift weights in excess of half of your body weight, as life-threatening complications can occur."

https://healthyliving.azcentral.com/consequences-lifting-heavily-2382.html

It seems information on the internet seems to gloss over alot of the dangers involved in the pastime.

Greek aesthetic culture: "Depictions of the nude male form were often explicitly or implicitly homoerotic."

https://classroom.synonym.com/ancient-greek-male-body-15164.html

McDonald's etc has very little nutritional content therefore it is mostly turned to waste but that may well be pure conjecture on my part.

https://www.sciencealert.com/here-s-what-eating-a-big-mac-does-to-your-body-in-an-hour

I'm glad my "poon" comment made you a little sick, just because I find that kind of sensitivity comical. I'm married, an adult, and am sexually active. Sorry for your sensitivity. Don't EVER watch a comedy special on Netflix...you'll be puking on all the walls.

That's a nice way to talk about your wife is all. American comics are notoriously sexist, just look at Eddie Murphy and Richard Pryor and a comedy roast is just not funny and horrible to watch. American comics suffer seriously from machismo syndrome so yeah I probably would puke.

I really enjoyed Pablo Franchesco and Brian Regan though.

@demi0227_basic: One of the most wrong posts I've ever seen on a forum that wasn't a blatant troll attempt.

Which part?

@jackamomo: Which part, Ummm, all of it.

@jackamomo said:

Hey, we're all a little bit gay. It's ok homes.

@jackamomo: I see where the problem is. You are googling information to back up your premeditated positions.

What you need to do is educate yourself on physiology first, and listen to people more informed than you. Then form an opinion. I don't have the time to put out all of the fires you are starting.

;) Also...go lift some weights after watching some youtube videos with people showing you how to do it properly (to avoid those injuries). You'll find that you feel better.

Lastly...I'm sorry you don't have a sense of humor. I find close, intimate personal relations (my wife and I talk a lot dirtier than I've mentioned anything on here) and comedy some of the best aspects of this short, trivial life. I wish you could share those joys, but different strokes for different folks, eh? I guess some people don't like laughing and jokes?

@demi0227_basic: you mean you're poon. Mmkay bronio. I'm off to comb my My Little Ponies.

I think this has run its course.

-Byshop