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#1 The_Capitalist
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I passed my road test a few days ago, and since then, I have been researching which car to buy. I am considering buying a used, entry-level, four-door sedan from either three of these brands and their corresponding entry-level model:

1. Audi (A4)
2. BMW (3 Series)
3. Mercedes-Benz (C C****) (Damn censor)

My budget for the car itself is $25,000.

Which brand do you guys recommend? Remember, I am planning to buy a car that is at least four years old (preferably newer).

And no, I am not considering any other brands. I always wanted a German car since I was a kid, and here is my chance at one. I plan to keep this car (should I buy one) for at least ten years.

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#2 Pirate700
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If you're buying used, don't get a German car. They are money pits if you land one that's less than reliable. If you have to get one of those, go BMW. Audi and Merc have horrible reliability.

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#3 ScottMescudi
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Don't get a German vehicle OP. If you want something very sporty, luxury like car, get the Acura TL (2004-2008).

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#4 arad96
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Go for the BMW. That's the car you start off with in Need for Speed Most Wanted.

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#5 Dark__Link
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Like Pirate said, German cars can be money pits. But if you're absolutely dead set on getting one, I'd say find one for less than $20k and keep the rest of the money for future problems. If that isn't something you're willing to do, then you should stay away from VW/Audi as they are notorious for problems, especially around the age you're looking to buy.
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#6 stanleycup98
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You want to buy a cheap, used (at least four years) German car that will last for at least another 10 years? Well...good luck with that. If you are serious, go for BMW.
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#7 Mozelleple112
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You should post what country you live in... an Audi A4 is about $65,000 in Norway for a 2011 model...

I think its $32,000 in the US.

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#8 The_Capitalist
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I live in the United States.

Yeah, I've heard that German cars can be money pits... Are the Japanese luxury brands any good? Lexus, Accura, Infiniti?

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#9 Pirate700
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Like Pirate said, German cars can be money pits. But if you're absolutely dead set on getting one, I'd say find one for less than $20k and keep the rest of the money for future problems. If that isn't something you're willing to do, then you should stay away from VW/Audi as they are notorious for problems, especially around the age you're looking to buy.Dark__Link
Yeah personally I'd never own a German luxury car outside of full warranty. There just a million different things that can and do go wrong with them and their reliability just isn't comparable with the Japanese right now. They are fantastic cars but just insane to maintain.

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#10 Pirate700
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I live in the United States.

Yeah, I've heard that German cars can be money pits... Are the Japanese luxury brands any good? Lexus, Accura, Infiniti?

The_Capitalist

All three are amazing vehicles. Accura being a little more on the affordable side but still fantastic cars and they will actually last you.

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#11 sthadji
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The internet is your friend.

I think you should go with the 2005 BMW 3-series.

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#12 stanleycup98
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I live in the United States.

Yeah, I've heard that German cars can be money pits... Are the Japanese luxury brands any good? Lexus, Accura, Infiniti?

The_Capitalist
They're all decent. The Acura is probably the best of that list for the age you are looking for.
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#13 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="The_Capitalist"]

I live in the United States.

Yeah, I've heard that German cars can be money pits... Are the Japanese luxury brands any good? Lexus, Accura, Infiniti?

stanleycup98

They're all decent. The Acura is probably the best of that list for the age you are looking for.

I agree. For an older car, Accura is the way to go from that list. There is a lot less to them to go wrong and are just generally very reliable cars.

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#14 Dark__Link
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[QUOTE="stanleycup98"][QUOTE="The_Capitalist"]

I live in the United States.

Yeah, I've heard that German cars can be money pits... Are the Japanese luxury brands any good? Lexus, Accura, Infiniti?

Pirate700

They're all decent. The Acura is probably the best of that list for the age you are looking for.

I agree. For an older car, Accura is the way to go from that list. There is a lot less to them to go wrong and are just generally very reliable cars.

And unlike Lexus cars, they don't look like ass. :P Well, the older ones don't. The new Acuras are beyond ugly with those stupid grilles.
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I would go with BMW
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#16 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="stanleycup98"] They're all decent. The Acura is probably the best of that list for the age you are looking for.Dark__Link

I agree. For an older car, Accura is the way to go from that list. There is a lot less to them to go wrong and are just generally very reliable cars.

And unlike Lexus cars, they don't look like ass. :P Well, the older ones don't. The new Acuras are beyond ugly with those stupid grilles.

:lol: Oh God I don't get what they were thinking with those grills. They don't say luxury to me and I'm not quite sure what they're going for.

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#17 Mozelleple112
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Audi A4 imo, those are beautiful...

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#18 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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I've always liked Audis, and they're cheaper to maintain, and fix, if it breaks.

BMWs and Mercedes cost an arm and a leg to fix up.

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Well, I don't know. I am still very partial towards German cars, for some reason. The Audi and BMW look quite nice, though. Mercedes, I am still very iffy about . I might slash it off my list.

I would have considered a used Porsche, too, but those were out of my price range.

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#20 Pirate700
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Well, I don't know. I am still very partial towards German cars, for some reason. The Audi and BMW look quite nice, though. Mercedes, I am still very iffy about . I might slash it off my list.

I would have considered a used Porsche, too, but those were out of my price range.

The_Capitalist

Seriously dude, fight the urge to by a certain brand of car just for the sake of being able to say you own one. Saying you own a BMW or a Porche isn't so cool when it's in the shop more than under your butt. You can get whatever you want but I would at least LOOK at other options.

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#21 deactivated-5b31d3729c1fa
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Audi is my favorite, so go with that :)

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#22 The_Capitalist
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[QUOTE="The_Capitalist"]

Well, I don't know. I am still very partial towards German cars, for some reason. The Audi and BMW look quite nice, though. Mercedes, I am still very iffy about . I might slash it off my list.

I would have considered a used Porsche, too, but those were out of my price range.

Pirate700

Seriously dude, fight the urge to by a certain brand of car just for the sake of being able to say you own one. Saying you own a BMW or a Porche isn't so cool when it's in the shop more than under your butt. You can get whatever you want but I would at least LOOK at other options.

That's true.

I'll have a look at some used Acuras.

Infinitis look very sharp, though. I like the look.

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#23 Pirate700
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[QUOTE="Pirate700"]

[QUOTE="The_Capitalist"]

Well, I don't know. I am still very partial towards German cars, for some reason. The Audi and BMW look quite nice, though. Mercedes, I am still very iffy about . I might slash it off my list.

I would have considered a used Porsche, too, but those were out of my price range.

The_Capitalist

Seriously dude, fight the urge to by a certain brand of car just for the sake of being able to say you own one. Saying you own a BMW or a Porche isn't so cool when it's in the shop more than under your butt. You can get whatever you want but I would at least LOOK at other options.

That's true.

I'll have a look at some used Acuras.

Infinitis look very sharp, though. I like the look.

I learned the hard way. I spend WAY too much money on two Corvettes that I got used. Flashy expsensive cars are fun to drive and can be tempting when used but once stuff starts going wrong on them, it's like a chain reaction of repairs.

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#24 foxhound_fox
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If your budget is only 25 thousand and you want German, then buy a late-'80's one for a couple thou, and then save the rest for maintenance costs. To start after *just* getting your license, if you have no car maintenance experience, buy something brand new under budget and use the rest for insurance, registration and gas. The maintenance costs will be under warranty, and you will get a car that isn't going to fall apart in a few thousand miles (most cars don't make it past 100K without some serious costs). But if you want a money pit... then buy a late model German car out of warranty.
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#25 kev_stevens67
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German cars are not known for their reliability. If you are set on one, I would say the BMW.

My real thought is to stay away form them though :P Especially if you're looking to keep the car for 10 years.

Japanese cars are pretty reliable. I also like Hyundai, which is Korean I believe.

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#26 sthadji
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I don't understand where you guys are getting this whole reliability issue with German cars. My family has owned BMWs for many years now and we've never had any major issues with them. My friend bought a used E-class and he's had it for 5 years now without any major problems. All the websites I've checked out list the BMW 3-series as the best used executive compact car.

http://www.cars.com/bmw/325/2006/consumer-reviews/

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/used_car_honours_2007/208061/bmw_3series.html

http://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/bmw/series-3/saloon/review

If you've always wanted one, I think you should get one. However, it always depends on the previous owner and how well he has maintained the car. Any car will have reliability issues if the previous owner treated it like crap. For example, in one car TV show, the three presenters bought identical used BMW convertibles. One of them had ignition issues, one of them had gearbox problems but the third one was perfectly fine.

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#27 mattisgod01
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I don't understand where you guys are getting this whole reliability issue with German cars. My family has owned BMWs for many years now and we've never had any major issues with them. My friend bought a used E-class and he's had it for 5 years now without any major problems. All the websites I've checked out list the BMW 3-series as the best used executive compact car.

http://www.cars.com/bmw/325/2006/consumer-reviews/

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/carreviews/used_car_honours_2007/208061/bmw_3series.html

http://www.carbuyer.co.uk/reviews/bmw/series-3/saloon/review

If you've always wanted one, I think you should get one. However, it always depends on the previous owner and how well he has maintained the car. Any car will have reliability issues if the previous owner treated it like crap. For example, in one car TV show, the three presenters bought identical used BMW convertibles. One of them had ignition issues, one of them had gearbox problems but the third one was perfectly fine.

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German cars in Australia are usually fairly reliable, But unlike Japanese or Australian built cars they can cost a fortune to repair and maintain if things do go wrong outside of warranty. German Cars are good but they tend to be over-engineered with a heap of gadgets and features, just more things to go wrong really.

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#28 N3MO
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If you are dead set on a Used German car, I recommend getting a 3-series (perferibly one fresh off a lease). Unlike Benz and Audi, BMW has a great maintence program in place for new BMWs. So in terms of care they should be well taken care of in most cases. But it's still just as problematic as an Audi. And Benz is a lost cause if you ever have problems with it. The flip side is getting the car fixed. Price wise, BMW and Audi are cheaper to repair than a Benz. As far as quality techs to work on your car. Audi wins out. Despite BMW bragging about their training rograms for their Techs, I know of more issues with BMW Techs figuring out problems with their cars than Audi techs with less training. Either way, most German cars aren't great cars to buy used. Only Porsche has a good track record (ignoring the Boxster (986) and Cayenne) with being bought used.
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Get an Audi R8.
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#30 fatcat13sep
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with that cash get a new car, now depending if you want german for sport cars then get something like a lancer ralliart which has 240hp and all wheel drive and will be hell of a lot of fun to drive or a mustang v6 which im not an maerican car fan but you have to admit the v6 in that mustang is insane 300hp, now if you want luxury im not to good with that but a accord ive heard is pretty nice and with leather seats and a lot of features you can get one for that price

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#31 deactivated-5f9e3c6a83e51
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Mercedes benz has a very bad record on reliability. I wouldnt recommend getting one used. Audi and BMW are spotty, but have better records. Honesty, though, if you want to buy a used entry luxury car, go with japanese. They hold their value and they dont fall apart after a few years.

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Neither join me and get some American Muscle.

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Want reliability? Get a Hyundai. If your manufacturer offers a 100,000 mile, 10 year warranty, chances are they aren't too worried about something going wrong. And you shouldn't be either.
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Want reliability? Get a Hyundai. If your manufacturer offers a 100,000 mile, 10 year warranty, chances are they aren't too worried about something going wrong. And you shouldn't be either.UCF_Knight

That does look very attractive.

Guess I'll get a German car later in life when I have way more money and perhaps, a bit more experience.

I'm researching warranties now... and yeah, used German cars don't come with a very good warranty...

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By an AMC Gremlin or a Pinto.

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Audi, if it's good enough for Craig's Bond, good enough for me.

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I am still interested in the German cars, but anecdotes about their maintenance costs has me considering an Infiniti. A used Infiniti is a few grand cheaper, too.

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#38 Dark__Link
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I am still interested in the German cars, but anecdotes about their maintenance costs has me considering an Infiniti. A used Infiniti is a few grand cheaper, too.

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G35 or G37? Assuming you're looking at a G...
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#39 m45t3rch13f
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I second this. Acura TL is one of the nicest looking sport sedan out there. I highly recommend Acura TL-S with manual trans. I've driven it and it was a BOMB to drive.

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If I had that kind of money to spend on a car I don't think I would be looking at the pre-owned market just to own a specific type of car (German in your case). I'd rather buy a brand-new Japanese car.
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[QUOTE="The_Capitalist"]

I am still interested in the German cars, but anecdotes about their maintenance costs has me considering an Infiniti. A used Infiniti is a few grand cheaper, too.

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G35 or G37? Assuming you're looking at a G...

I loved my 08 G35 when I was leasing it. Great car. Thought I like my truck now more. :P

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#42 EvilSelf
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Just go with the BMW. I have had a 97 318i for the last 7 years and have had no problems with it whatsoever. Go with a German car, dont listen to all this people telling you to get a Japanese. If you had the money for a German, go with it.

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Wow how many of those claiming that German cars break down all the time ever had one for any lenght of time? I own a German car, I'm part of my local VW / Euro community and I can tell you that these are ridicoulous claims. German cars, especially Audis, Mercs and BMWs are all finely engineered, high quality car. They don't break down anymore than your average Infity or Acura. Sure they may cost more to repair than the Japanese or Americans but if you like what you drive than that shouldn't matter especially if you're looking at a car that is less than 4 years old then you have a solid 6+ years ahead of you without any major problem if you take some care of it. IMO, do your own research and you'll find what you like. And if you like tuning, Germany is where the fun's at.

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#44 VEXX_Z3R0
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This is my "generalized" personal opinion. I know you can argue the following, but in my experience, (A bit more than most), with German automobiles...

Audi - Reliable, good gas mileage, a little cheaper to work on

BMW - Sporty, INSANE handling, people like to turn these into project cars (Mods)

Mercedes Benz - Very comfortable, cool tech stuff, luxury at it's finest (EXPENSIVE to work on)

Personally I am a Beamer (BMW) guy, but you can't go wrong with any of the 3.

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#45 coolkid93
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I'd say go for the BMW.
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How can you afford that for your first car? The insurance too...

I'd go with a merc out of them. Far more classy.

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Audi, I seen someone say they have horrible reliability? That's BS, BMW's are money pits and the parts are insanely high so i'd cut that out straight away

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#48 Treflis
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If you want reliable cars then look towards the Asian brands such as Toyota, Mitsubishi, Honda etc. BMW, Mercedes and such, while good cars that are infact reliable they are much more expensive to fix if something is ruined. If you want a BMW to impress women then I can tell you that women usually don't care about what brand of car you have, and if all they care about is the brand then they're usually after your wallet as they'll assume you're very well off.
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I passed my road test a few days ago, and since then, I have been researching which car to buy. I am considering buying a used, entry-level, four-door sedan from either three of these brands and their corresponding entry-level model:

1. Audi (A4)
2. BMW (3 Series)
3. Mercedes-Benz (C C****) (Damn censor)

My budget for the car itself is $25,000.

Which brand do you guys recommend? Remember, I am planning to buy a car that is at least four years old (preferably newer).

And no, I am not considering any other brands. I always wanted a German car since I was a kid, and here is my chance at one. I plan to keep this car (should I buy one) for at least ten years.

The_Capitalist

I like the looks of Audi better. Mercedes and BMW are ugly imo.

Obviously though that's not the only thing to consider when buying a car but I really don't know anything else :P

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#50 GazaAli
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BMW all the way.