Whats sickening, are People's obsession With Weapons, Keeping them as Cache.

Just save the nonsense. I know what some of you gun holders and gun defenders are going to say, which is the usual the same defensive line you had used for years.

"Guns dont kill people, people with issues do.

By your same logic even a nutcase, a mentally ill person has the right to bear arms right? even when that person would kill a group of innocent bystanders in which the majority of those bystanders wouldn't have any guns to defend themselves?

Why do you need a huge weapon cache collection of different weapons in your home? that to me ends your claims of needing guns for self defense. Knowing a person is just collecting them for personal use or storing them as cache in their own home.

In My View i would say that is an obsession, not defense. Just recently i noticed a comment on the social media stating the following.

"Guns are like tattoos, you just cant have one"

That sounds like a clear obsession. Not defense. If you want to go with that defensive claim well then having an obsession of them is not the way to go about it.

The NRA is also helping the arms industry this way. The arms industry makes millions out of the weapons in the gun shows.

Oh for fucks sake. Collecting guns does not inherently mean using them.....some do target practice with them but that doesn't mean they are shooting up the neighborhood. What a flawed argument the TC has....and I'm sorry I wasted a few seconds reading this drivel.

Lulz. "My View". You had to capitalize it because it is so overwhelmingly important. If that's not a dead giveaway to the typical mindset then nothing is.

Look man. A tool is a tool. I can take an inanimate object and do anything with it. The consciousness behind the tool controls the morality of its use. Is a shovel good or bad? That is determined by my digging an irrigation ditch that produces crops or bashing someone's skull in with it. Messing with buyers is a waste of time. It will be a beatable system the day it is implemented. How about this. You get caught with an illegal gun and you get life imprisonment.

That gets a criminal that trucks with illegal guns out of the system forever. Why is that not our response to lowering gun violence?

Guns, sports and cars are the only things that matter in life don't you know.

There are those who legitimately collect guns and those who buy guns because they think Herr Obama Hussein will turn the U.S. into a socialist leftist Islamic hellhole where illegal Mexicans/blacks/Muslims are killing and raping our white women.

Two extremes but then you have people who just like guns and don't really give a damn in the end.

@drunk_pi: and there is zero people between those two examples and certainly none at all like my gf who is four foot nine and ninety pounds and works a late shift job and has a gun on her at all times because she is an easy target for crime. Nope. No people like that at all who are able to operate independently in a sometimes violent and unpredictable world and do what they want to do because they are armed.

I am not surprised you would even use that as your defensive line for the debate on guns. If thats the best you have, well i can safely say America we would became a nation of lawless in due time. If no gun laws are imposed at all, you can expect the problems to continue. And the sales of the arms industry to boom in high flying colors.

You right wingers are hilarious. "Always blaming Obama because his not a Rich White, like Saudi Bush"

"Mexicans/blacks/Muslims are killing and raping our white women."

Mexican/Blacks gangs are mostly doing the killing and raping but that hey thats cool according to the Constitution gangs can have weapons to and continue to kill as they please. Even as their people can buy whichever weapons from gun shows legally.

You seems to be very "obsessed" with judging other's hobbies and collections.

this

I might be intimidated by someone who has a huge gun collection in his house, but I can see why people would like to collect guns and how people might find them pleasing to look at or own. People have collected weirder things.

Dude you forgot women. How could you forget women.

What I find to be great humor is how irritated the O.P. is in relation to firearm ownership!

Guns aren't going anywhere. Prepare to be miserable for the rest of your life.

@CommandoAgent: it's sort of like you missed the entire point of drunk pis post and actually took that as his opinion.

"Guns dont kill people, people with issues do.

By your same logic even a nutcase, a mentally ill person has the right to bear arms right?"

How exactly could you come up with that being their logic?

What is with your obsession of other people owning guns? How often has it been that legal gun owners commit violent crimes? Do you have a legit reason to hate gun owned by law abiding citizens?

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I don't see why a guy with 50 guns is any more intimidating than a guy with one gun. It's not like he's gonna shoot me with 50 guns and make me 50 times as dead.

I can understand someone collecting guns as a hobby but I don't understand why someone would do so out of fear. I think the biggest problem right now though is the loopholes in the laws that allow people who shouldn't own guns getting them too easily.

The main thing I've noticed when reading/listening to most American's opinions on guns/gun control, is that they seem to have a totally different mindset to most other countries on the issue.

When I hear the argument that implementing gun control (not talking about banning guns completely) won't make a difference to gun crime, it reinforces my observation that a lot of American's just have a different mindset. I guess when you're raised in the States and you're constantly told you have the right to own a gun as an American, its hard to think otherwise.

I'm just glad I live in a country that doesn't have the same mindset (well some obviously do but most don't).

And btw, I certainly don't want to offend any Americans by saying this... that's not my intention. There's alot about America that I love, but this isn't one of them.

Maybe the gun laws should only apply to Mexican/Black gang members, of course they for the most part don't get their guns legally to begin with.

+1 exactly my sentiments

@hrt_rulz01: why do you think it will lower gun crime?

A good example of nutcases.Gun shop owner Brings Gun to CNN.

Hopefully it wasn't loaded.

Have you consider the reason why there are things you love about America might be the results of the difference in American mindset you speak of?

I see America's gun culture as representative of a large cultural difference in how American view their relationship with authority and those in charge. Not sure if it's the case anymore but Americans used to be about independence and self reliance. We don't look to the government to provide us with things even though sometimes that is what's needed. That's what makes America different. In the past of many other countries, power typically trickled down from the top. The social conscience of the people in those countries are to be dependent of those in charge. That can be evident in the fact that many countries still retain some kind of archaic monarchy for symbolic reasons. At its core, gun is a representation of power, power which isn't reliant on nor derived from the system of others. Whether Americans recognize it or not that desire for independence and self reliance is the foundation of our culture. It's the reason why post apocalyptic fantasies are so popular here.

I'm glad I live in a country which offers the same kind of amenities and social stability as other developed nations but its individual citizen still retain both the power afford to them inside the system (free speech, religion, voting etc) and outside the system (guns).

Political discussions on a videogame messageboard...

LOL, always good for a chuckle

what's funny here is after the new years eve rape-a-palooza in cologne, hamburg and berlin, germany will now probably allow easier access to guns because they have run right into the ugly truth that it has come to either that or 3rd world rape gangs of migrants will continue pulling shit like this.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35231046

the german media did not even report on it until 3 days later because they didn't want anyone to think they were racists.

then, they blamed the victims.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/mayor-of-cologne-says-women-should-have-code-of-conduct-to-prevent-future-assault-a6798186.html

Huh? If fear is the rationale, then it's not a hobby. It's silly as saying wearing safety equipment or avoid spider is my hobby.

Loopholes such as? Again I get the feeling that's what you think because that's what Obama tells you. Do you even know the percentage crimes related guns acquired through these "loopholes" or that those crimes could be prevented if those "loopholes" don't exist or is this one of those things that you have no empirical evidence but you feel it in your guts to be true? And if the person intended to commit crime with a gun why would he/she care whether the purchase of the gun is legal (through loophole) or not legal?

This is such a confusing post I'm not sure where to start. 1) I get that you saying there's two types of gun collectors, one is a paranoid extreme right wing nut, but you never bothered explain the rationale of the first type? 2)I also get that the 2nd type is an extreme, but those who "legitimately collect guns" is an extreme as well? 3) The people "who just like guns" is a 3rd type? Mutually exclusive from the group that "legitimately collect guns"?

Bros before hoes.

Jesus christ.

Look, I mean no disrespect, but this is exactly what I mean... I don't understand this point of view. Are you saying that allowing anybody to walk in off the street and buy an assault rifle, for whatever reason, has made America the country it is? From the outside looking in, I just don't get that.

Anyway, again, I mean no disrespect to Americans. But if I lived in a country that allowed any person to buy basically any weapon they wanted, it'd freak me the fu** out.

Yeah we all say that... and then ditch our bros the moment a woman grabs our attention.

No offense taken. And no, I'm not saying guns made America the country it is, I'm saying gun culture is a representative of independence and self reliance that is at the heart of American identity.

I have to ask why would it freak you out? Do you have a reason to believe that if they are able, someone would buy a weapon to harm you or your family? Why could they just do that with a knife or other weapons that's more easily obtained in your country legally or illegally? There's an excellent article by a Dr.Sarah Thompson on the psychology of the anti-gun mentality. This particular excerpt is relevant here (http://jpfo.org/filegen-n-z/ragingagainstselfdefense.htm):

About a year ago I received an e-mail from a member of a local Jewish organization. The author, who chose to remain anonymous, insisted that people have no right to carry firearms because he didn’t want to be murdered if one of his neighbors had a "bad day". (I don’t know that this person is a "he", but I’m assuming so for the sake of simplicity.) I responded by asking him why he thought his neighbors wanted to murder him, and, of course, got no response. The truth is that he’s statistically more likely to be murdered by a neighbor who doesn’t legally carry a firearm(1) and more likely to be shot accidentally by a law enforcement officer.(2)

How does my correspondent "know" that his neighbors would murder him if they had guns? He doesn’t. What he was really saying was that if he had a gun, he might murder his neighbors if he had a bad day, or if they took his parking space, or played their stereos too loud. This is an example of what mental health professionals call projection – unconsciously projecting one’s own unacceptable feelings onto other people, so that one doesn’t have to own them.(3) In some cases, the intolerable feelings are projected not onto a person, but onto an inanimate object, such as a gun,(4) so that the projector believes the gun itself will murder him.

Projection is a defense mechanism. Defense mechanisms are unconscious psychological mechanisms that protect us from feelings that we cannot consciously accept.(5) They operate without our awareness, so that we don’t have to deal consciously with "forbidden" feelings and impulses. Thus, if you asked my e–mail correspondent if he really wanted to murder his neighbors, he would vehemently deny it, and insist that other people want to kill him.

Projection is a particularly insidious defense mechanism, because it not only prevents a person from dealing with his own feelings, it also creates a world where he perceives everyone else as directing his own hostile feelings back at him.(6)

All people have violent, and even homicidal, impulses. For example, it’s common to hear people say "I’d like to kill my boss", or "If you do that one more time I’m going to kill you." They don’t actually mean that they’re going to, or even would, kill anyone; they’re simply acknowledging anger and frustration. All of us suffer from fear and feelings of helplessness and vulnerability. Most people can acknowledge feelings of rage, fear, frustration, jealousy, etc. without having to act on them in inappropriate and destructive ways.

Some people, however, are unable consciously to admit that they have such "unacceptable" emotions. They may have higher than average levels of rage, frustration, or fear. perhaps they fear that if they acknowledge the hostile feelings, they will lose control and really will hurt someone. They may believe that "good people" never have such feelings, when in fact all people have them.

This is especially true now that education "experts" commonly prohibit children from expressing negative emotions or aggression. Instead of learning that such emotions are normal, but that destructive behavior needs to be controlled, children now learn that feelings of anger are evil, dangerous and subject to severe punishment.(7) To protect themselves from "being bad", they are forced to use defense mechanisms to avoid owning their own normal emotions. Unfortunately, using such defense mechanisms inappropriately can endanger their mental health; children need to learn how to deal appropriately with reality, not how to avoid it.(8)

Meh, I honestly have no problem with people massing arms and collecting them. Hell last weekend I shot off my brother in law's SKAR and AR-15 (I own a pistol and rifle myself). I just have more of a problem with having no restrictions on who buys them, how easy it is to obtain them, and how they aren't tracked and traced to who bought them (why the **** not register them to an owner like a car or require training to own and use).

The problem I see is that I know so many people who are irresponsible with guns. There seems to be little accountability with something so inherently dangerous. We let people guy a gun at 18 but won't allow them to buy a beer, its mind boggling to me.

A country that has no laws or gun laws would be a nation of lawless and wild west. The Constitution was written at a time where the arms industry was rather small. Times have changed. If the founding fathers would only see how things have changed i doubt they would be in favor of this.

The Constitution was written when were being oppressed by the British tyranny.

Assuming you are state side, you don't need a license or registration to own and use cars. That's only for if you want to drive on public road (you can still tow an unlicensed or unregistered car on public road). So if guns are treated as such then the rules would actually be more laxed, since you can buy guns without any checks and even carry one in public, just can't shoot one without license or registration.

Also you need to be 21 to purchase handguns.

how were we being oppressed by british tyranny?

So what exactly do you find to be a problem?

I don't like guns, I hate them, but if someone wants to collect them then that is their right and should always be their right. I like swords and would collect them if I had the money the same way. And if you cowards are worried about getting killed in a shooting then you need to quit listing to fearmongering Liberal Tea Party blogs that are designed to make money off your fears and PC fanaticism. There's a very low chance that you or anyone you know will ever get caught in a shooting in your life, and an even lower that you will be killed by one. Serial killers typically kill more people than shooting spree killers and there are way more of them active, so you're more likely to be killed by one of them than in a spree. And fun fact: serial killers don't normally use guns. You going to start pissing yourself about them now too? Next thing after you ban guns you're going to advocate the US tracking all its citizens and vote for the government to watch us and control us Orwellian style causing us to live in some totalitarian dystopia because you are scared and don't think for yourself.

Lol. I was being sarcastic.

well, it's a start

Well duh you need to have them if you want to DRIVE them. Saying you don't need them to own a car is true but ignoring the overall issue of using them as they were intended. Its purely semantic. In order to use a car in society (which every one basically needs to) you have to get a license and register it.

I also wasn't just referring to hand guns though, as rifles and shot guns can be bought at 18.

If everybody had to carry a gun with around here to protect themselves, then this country is bad to live in...

Oh, here we go, another anti-gun thread pops out of the woodwork. No, what's really sickening are people that have such disturbing hatred towards cool stuff that a lot of other people find useful, interesting, and legitimate to have in one's possession.

Sheesh, so much disturbing hatred towards guns, seems like you never see the occasional individual say its sickening to hoard knives, swords, bows and arrows, gasoline, rocks... just guns. (And yes, rocks can also be dangerous and used as a weapon, and what's bad about them is they can cause quite the slow painful death, at least with guns its usually quick and easy.)

Really? I thought you could buy basically any weapon?

No, you can't buy weapons above a certain caliber, or automatic weapons either. You can with special permits, but joe blow off the street can't just go out and buy a .50cal machine gun. There's some exceptions depending on what state/city you live in of course.