Utah will not recognize the legal marriages of 1360 couples

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#1 Edited by 4myAmuzumament (1791 posts) -

Link: Breaking: Utah Gov. Tells 1360 Legally Married Same-Sex Couples Their Unions Are Invalid

Republican Governor Gary Herbert has just announced that the state of Utah will not recognize the legal marriages of 1360 same-sex couples until the courts force him to do so. Gov. Herbert, has been working angrily and tirelessly to convince the courts to stay a federal judge’s ruling last month — which found the state’s ban on same-sex marriage unconstitutional. He and his new Attorney general succeeded on Monday, when the Supreme Court placed a hold on the ruling, and denying any future same-sex weddings until the Circuit Court ruled on the actual case.

Governor Herbert just issued a memo directing all state agencies to not recognize these marriages that were performed legally under current existing law, between December 20 and January 5. No same-sex marriages performed in state or out of state will be recognized, Governor Herbert has directed.

“After the district court decision was issued on Friday, December 20th, some same-sex couples availed themselves of the opportunity to marry and to the status granted by the state to married persons,” the Governor’s memo reads.

“With the district court injunction now stayed, the original laws governing marriage inUtah return to effect pending final resolution by the courts. It is important to understand that those laws include not only a prohibition of performing same-sex marriages but also recognizing same-sex marriages. Based on counsel from the Attorney General’s Office regarding the Supreme Court decision, state recognition of same-sex marital status is ON HOLD until further notice.”

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...and after all this, Republicans will still think they have a shot at winning things. these issues plague the Republican party and it looks like there is no end in sight. god help us all.

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#2 Posted by musicalmac (24890 posts) -

Can same-sex couples in Utah become one in a civil union?

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#3 Edited by toast_burner (24697 posts) -

What a massive step backwards. And people have the nerve to call America the land of the free.

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#4 Edited by Master_Live (18815 posts) -

@4myAmuzumament said:

...and after all this, Republicans will still think they have a shot at winning things. these issues plague the Republican party and it looks like there is no end in sight. god help us all.

You hypocrite, you ask God for help but can't see that that is precisely what he has done in guiding the governor to take this action. God is here and he ain't queer.

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#5 Posted by toast_burner (24697 posts) -

@Master_Live said:

@4myAmuzumament said:

...and after all this, Republicans will still think they have a shot at winning things. these issues plague the Republican party and it looks like there is no end in sight. god help us all.

You hypocrite, you ask God for help but can't that that is precisely what he has done in guiding the governor to take this action. God is here and he ain't queer.

Is this sarcasm?

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#6 Posted by lostrib (49999 posts) -

What a dick

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#7 Posted by Riverwolf007 (26023 posts) -

what do you expect, nothing takes the thrill out of anonymous bathroom, park and interstate rest area sex for republicans like that thought you now have the ability to marry the dude.

i don't blame them.

it's like you know how special it is to stop and get a nice quality ice cream treat someplace while you are out?

now imagine you live in the treat factory and can get it anytime you want.

of course you are going to nip that shyt in the bud.

it ruins the entire experience.

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#8 Posted by Nengo_Flow (10644 posts) -

Im alright with this

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#9 Edited by Makhaidos (2162 posts) -

Impending landmark Supreme Court ruling in 3. . .2. . .1. . .

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#10 Posted by chessmaster1989 (30204 posts) -

The worst part is legally he's probably in the right to do this. That said, he's a serious douchebag.

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#11 Edited by Makhaidos (2162 posts) -

@chessmaster1989 said:

The worst part is legally he's probably in the right to do this. That said, he's a serious douchebag.

I'm not so sure. Wouldn't the ex post facto clause have some say in here?

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#12 Edited by chessmaster1989 (30204 posts) -
@Makhaidos said:

@chessmaster1989 said:

The worst part is legally he's probably in the right to do this. That said, he's a serious douchebag.

I'm not so sure. Wouldn't the ex post facto clause have some say in here?

Not being a lawyer, I really have no idea. My thought was just that if they put a hold on forcing the state to recognize/allow same sex marriages, then they wouldn't have to recognize existing them (in addition to not having to allow new ones).

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#13 Posted by Omni-Slash (54450 posts) -

It's a dyck move but to be fair he represents the people of his state.. and I'm sure the vast majority of Utah backs this...until it's settled in the courts oh well...

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#14 Edited by ChiefFreeman (5669 posts) -

Good for Utah. Just because the non- Supreme Court says something, doesn't mean they have to accept it.

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#15 Posted by StrifeDelivery (1901 posts) -

But didn't Utah take the money in order to hand out marriage licenses?

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#16 Edited by Flubbbs (4836 posts) -

WAAAAAAAAAAH

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#17 Posted by plageus900 (2325 posts) -

@Flubbbs said:

WAAAAAAAAAAH

Why are you against gay marriage? Give me a logical reasoning; don't tell me because the bible says it's wrong or because it rustle's your jimmies.

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#18 Edited by Makhaidos (2162 posts) -

@plageus900 said:

@Flubbbs said:

WAAAAAAAAAAH

Why are you against gay marriage? Give me a logical reasoning; don't tell me because the bible says it's wrong or because it rustle's your jimmies.

He's a self-admitted nationalist who probably has a swastika tattooed on his ass, right next to the tramp stamp. Logic has long-since left the building.

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#19 Edited by Flubbbs (4836 posts) -

@Makhaidos said:

@plageus900 said:

@Flubbbs said:

WAAAAAAAAAAH

Why are you against gay marriage? Give me a logical reasoning; don't tell me because the bible says it's wrong or because it rustle's your jimmies.

He's a self-admitted nationalist who probably has a swastika tattooed on his ass, right next to the tramp stamp. Logic has long-since left the building.

swastikas are so 1930s

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#20 Posted by Flubbbs (4836 posts) -

@plageus900 said:

@Flubbbs said:

WAAAAAAAAAAH

Why are you against gay marriage? Give me a logical reasoning; don't tell me because the bible says it's wrong or because it rustle's your jimmies.

because i can be.. sorry looks like you will have to get over it :'(

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#21 Posted by plageus900 (2325 posts) -

@Flubbbs said:

@plageus900 said:

@Flubbbs said:

WAAAAAAAAAAH

Why are you against gay marriage? Give me a logical reasoning; don't tell me because the bible says it's wrong or because it rustle's your jimmies.

because i can be.. sorry looks like you will have to get over it :'(

Just cause? No reasoning or thought process behind it?

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#22 Posted by thegerg (18279 posts) -

@Flubbbs said:

@plageus900 said:

@Flubbbs said:

WAAAAAAAAAAH

Why are you against gay marriage? Give me a logical reasoning; don't tell me because the bible says it's wrong or because it rustle's your jimmies.

because i can be.. sorry looks like you will have to get over it :'(

That's a pretty poor reason to do something. There are countless things you can do, yet you don't do them all. Simply because you can do it isn't the reason that you do, stop lying.

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#23 Posted by Flubbbs (4836 posts) -

@plageus900 said:

@Flubbbs said:

@plageus900 said:

@Flubbbs said:

WAAAAAAAAAAH

Why are you against gay marriage? Give me a logical reasoning; don't tell me because the bible says it's wrong or because it rustle's your jimmies.

because i can be.. sorry looks like you will have to get over it :'(

Just cause? No reasoning or thought process behind it?

does it hurt your feelings?

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#24 Edited by plageus900 (2325 posts) -

@Flubbbs said:

@plageus900 said:

@Flubbbs said:

@plageus900 said:

@Flubbbs said:

WAAAAAAAAAAH

Why are you against gay marriage? Give me a logical reasoning; don't tell me because the bible says it's wrong or because it rustle's your jimmies.

because i can be.. sorry looks like you will have to get over it :'(

Just cause? No reasoning or thought process behind it?

does it hurt your feelings?

Nope. I just want to know out of sheer curiosity.

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#25 Posted by HoolaHoopMan (9372 posts) -

Won't matter in the long run. Every republican that opposes same sex marriage will go down on the wrong side of history.

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#26 Posted by lostrib (49999 posts) -

@Makhaidos said:

@chessmaster1989 said:

The worst part is legally he's probably in the right to do this. That said, he's a serious douchebag.

I'm not so sure. Wouldn't the ex post facto clause have some say in here?

Unfortunately, I believe that only applies to criminal laws not civil matters. They would have to make a very convincing argument outlining this as some sort of punishment in order for the ex post facto clause to apply (or so I believe)

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#27 Posted by Brain_Duster (473 posts) -

Marriage is an abomination.

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#28 Edited by comp_atkins (34308 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

What a massive step backwards. And people have the nerve to call America the land of the free.

free (if you think like us)

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#29 Edited by girlshavefuntoo (125 posts) -

It amazes me that giving gay people basic human rights is still so controversial in the US. The republican party needs to realise that religion shoudn't rule a country.

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#30 Posted by comp_atkins (34308 posts) -

i wonder which state will be the last holdout on this.. any bets?

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#31 Posted by Makhaidos (2162 posts) -

@comp_atkins said:

i wonder which state will be the last holdout on this.. any bets?

Florida. We only just started allowing gay people to adopt three years ago.

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#32 Posted by Serraph105 (31775 posts) -

Imagine if other religious people tried to make things illegal based on what they believe.
Photo: Utah is going through a back-and-forth on treating all citizens equally under the law. We hope the US Constitution is honored here. Objections to the "lifestyles" of others are something almost none of us can help having, but they are never grounds for subverting others' rights.

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#33 Edited by plageus900 (2325 posts) -

@Makhaidos said:

@comp_atkins said:

i wonder which state will be the last holdout on this.. any bets?

Florida. We only just started allowing gay people to adopt three years ago.

Nope. It going to be Texas.

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#34 Posted by Makhaidos (2162 posts) -

@plageus900 said:

@Makhaidos said:

@comp_atkins said:

i wonder which state will be the last holdout on this.. any bets?

Florida. We only just started allowing gay people to adopt three years ago.

Nope. It going to be Texas.

Texas has some surprisingly gay-friendly areas. Houston, for example, is up there with Atlanta as one of the Southern gay Meccas. I wouldn't be surprised if they got to it before us.

Florida, however, is horribly gerrymandered and run by teahadists, except for a few cities (Tampa). As long as our legislature is the Rick Scott variety, we'll never see progress unless forced.

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#35 Posted by MakeMeaSammitch (4889 posts) -

can't wait for conservativism to die.

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#36 Posted by plageus900 (2325 posts) -

@Makhaidos: Perhaps, but the political mentality in Texas is extremely right-winged and traditional. I spent 9 months there and I couldn't wait to leave. Maybe it's because of where I spent my time.

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#37 Posted by Makhaidos (2162 posts) -

@plageus900 said:

@Makhaidos: Perhaps, but the political mentality in Texas is extremely right-winged and traditional. I spent 9 months there and I couldn't wait to leave. Maybe it's because of where I spent my time.

Eh, you can find nice places pretty much anywhere. Except Alabama. And Mississippi. And Oklahoma. And Louisiana.

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#38 Posted by SolidSnake35 (58756 posts) -

US states are running wild!

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#39 Edited by Toxic-Seahorse (4990 posts) -

I don't understand why the U.S. Supreme Court doesn't finally settle this. It seems a bit ridiculous that the Supreme Court has yet to say anything about something that's been a big issue for a while now.

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#40 Edited by wis3boi (32507 posts) -

@plageus900 said:

@Makhaidos said:

@comp_atkins said:

i wonder which state will be the last holdout on this.. any bets?

Florida. We only just started allowing gay people to adopt three years ago.

Nope. It going to be Texas.

mississippi

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#41 Posted by Makhaidos (2162 posts) -

Update: Federal government will recognize the marriages.

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#42 Edited by Makhaidos (2162 posts) -

Update to the update: a bill has been proposed (by a Republican, obviously) that would limit the federal government to recognizing gay marriages only in the seventeen states in which gay marriage is legal.

Nevermind that this exact thing was just ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. These hicks just don't know when to quit, do they?

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#43 Edited by plageus900 (2325 posts) -

@Makhaidos said:

Update to the update: a bill has been proposed (by a Republican, obviously) that would limit the federal government to recognizing gay marriages only in the seventeen states in which gay marriage is legal.

Nevermind that this exact thing was just ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court. These hicks just don't know when to quit, do they?

CUZ TEH BIBLE SEZ LOLOLOL

Why do they care so fucking much? If a state government wants to be fucking stupid, sure okay. But what's that got to do with the federal government?

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#44 Posted by dave123321 (35329 posts) -

@plageus900: Texas is a big place

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#45 Posted by hippiesanta (10299 posts) -

@toast_burner said:

What a massive step backwards. And people have the nerve to call America the land of the free.

why want to marry in the first place .... it will limit u to flirt

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#46 Posted by Perfect_Blue (29946 posts) -

@MakeMeaSammitch: Yup. Though it is funny to see Conservative politicians stuck on the wrong side of history ever since Lincoln.

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#47 Posted by THE_DRUGGIE (25057 posts) -

@Flubbbs said:

@plageus900 said:

@Flubbbs said:

@plageus900 said:

@Flubbbs said:

WAAAAAAAAAAH

Why are you against gay marriage? Give me a logical reasoning; don't tell me because the bible says it's wrong or because it rustle's your jimmies.

because i can be.. sorry looks like you will have to get over it :'(

Just cause? No reasoning or thought process behind it?

does it hurt your feelings?

Well, it's kind of insensitive to not consider how same-sex couples feel about this. I mean, it's kind of dehumanizing to be given rights that you fought hard for, only to have them stripped away because someone just had to hold on to their bigoted worldview in a vain attempt to preserve its relevance in an increasingly social world.