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No two nations in the world are as integrated, economically and socially, as the United States and Canada. We share geography, values and a gigantic border.

Regardless of this close friendship, our two countries are on a slow-motion collision course — with each other and with the rest of the world.

While both countries wrestle with internal political challenges, meanwhile, the economies of the larger world change and flourish. The International Monetary Fund forecasts that by 2018, China’s economy will be bigger than that of the United States and Asian economies will be bigger than the US, Canada, Germany, Britain, France, Italy and Russia combined.

Rather than continuing on this road to mutual decline, the United States and Canada should chart a new course — by joining forces.

The United States and Canada could merge into one country, or follow a European Union model that eliminates the border without merging the two governments.

At the very least, the nations should discuss joint ventures to develop Canada’s staggering, and untapped, resources in the north, an area three times bigger than Alaska.

If combined, the US and Canada would have an economy larger than the European Union. The two would be an economic superpower, bigger than South America in size, with more energy, metals and minerals, water, arable land and technology than any other nation, all protected by America’s military.

Citizens of the merged countries would have more options in terms of jobs, business opportunities, climates, studies and lifestyles.

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#2  Edited By branketra
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I would not say the United States and Canada are integrated socially. Beyond the internet, I do not know of anyone from Canada in my local area. I live in the United States.

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#3  Edited By chaplainDMK
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The west should just form one super-mega country so it's BDP number won't be smaller than China's, so forum warriors have ammo.

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#4  Edited By Toxic-Seahorse
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I don't think Canada would want to combine with the U.S., but a EU-like agreement, without all the needless bullshit that goes with the EU, is an interesting idea.

However, nothing ever seems to get done in the U.S. government so I don't see this ever happening.

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#5 LostProphetFLCL
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Tis an interesting idea. As a US citizen I definitely wouldn't be opposed to this.

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#6 Treflis
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Pretty sure Canada desires to be a independent nation rather then merge with the US.

Might reduce the US debt though, which I'm certain is the reason the US would want to merge with Canada. That and Oil.

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#7 jim_shorts
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I don't see how that would benefit either country.

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#9 michaelP4
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Bad idea. Yes, they may share a similar cultural heritage and history but they're different. Economically, they're already in union - NAFTA. Politically, it'd be a disaster - don't make the same mistake as Europe did with the EU. Plus, unless the US wants to deal with Quebec nationalists and their demands for a separate state, cultural and language rights etc then that's reason alone for them to remain as they are. Oh, and unless you wish to have my Queen as your Head of State again or some joint authority with the US President, then you're very welcome. :)

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#10 Braun_Roid_Rage
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lmao, Canada and their crackhead mayors.

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So, basically the entire argument is that america can keep saying "We're numbah 1 whpooo **** yeah!!!111 'murica!".

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#12  Edited By branketra
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@michaelP4 said:

Bad idea. Yes, they may share a similar cultural heritage and history but they're different. Economically, they're already in union - NAFTA. Politically, it'd be a disaster - don't make the same mistake as Europe did with the EU. Plus, unless the US wants to deal with Quebec nationalists and their demands for a separate state, cultural and language rights etc then that's reason alone for them to remain as they are. Oh, and unless you wish to have my Queen as your Head of State again or some joint authority with the US President, then you're very welcome. :)

I can imagine that occurring. People including me would question what the point of the American Revolution was if all we do is eventually rejoin that monarchy's dominion. No offense, but I am unready to kneel before another person whether they be queen or anyone else.

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#13  Edited By loco145
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@BranKetra said:

@michaelP4 said:

Bad idea. Yes, they may share a similar cultural heritage and history but they're different. Economically, they're already in union - NAFTA. Politically, it'd be a disaster - don't make the same mistake as Europe did with the EU. Plus, unless the US wants to deal with Quebec nationalists and their demands for a separate state, cultural and language rights etc then that's reason alone for them to remain as they are. Oh, and unless you wish to have my Queen as your Head of State again or some joint authority with the US President, then you're very welcome. :)

I can imagine that occurring. People including me would question what the point of the American Revolution was if all we do is eventually rejoin that monarchy's dominion. No offense, but I am unready to kneel before another person whether they be queen or anyone else.

What about a CEO?

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#14  Edited By branketra
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@loco145 said:

@BranKetra said:

@michaelP4 said:

Bad idea. Yes, they may share a similar cultural heritage and history but they're different. Economically, they're already in union - NAFTA. Politically, it'd be a disaster - don't make the same mistake as Europe did with the EU. Plus, unless the US wants to deal with Quebec nationalists and their demands for a separate state, cultural and language rights etc then that's reason alone for them to remain as they are. Oh, and unless you wish to have my Queen as your Head of State again or some joint authority with the US President, then you're very welcome. :)

I can imagine that occurring. People including me would question what the point of the American Revolution was if all we do is eventually rejoin that monarchy's dominion. No offense, but I am unready to kneel before another person whether they be queen or anyone else.

What about a CEO?

Do you mean a chief executive officer? You do not kneel before those.

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That would be a darn POWERHOUSR!!!

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#16 MonsieurX
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No thanks.

I don't want all the problems of USA to be part of mine now.

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#17 Nibroc420
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Hmm.

The US is a terrible place compared to Canada, and has more people.
So we Canadians would be outvoted in political matters (being more liberal and all),
And we'd have to call ourselves American, while taking on responsibility for non-nonsensical wars and the insane debt caused by it.

Lets not merge, perhaps and NAFTA just needs an update?

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#18  Edited By deactivated-5b1e62582e305
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Uhhhh no thanks

We'll take NY, the west coast, and the New England states, though. The rest can disappear for all I care.

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#19  Edited By LoG-Sacrament
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olympic hockey powerhouse.

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#20 Braun_Roid_Rage
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@LoG-Sacrament said:

olympic hockey powerhouse.

Would be the only benefit.

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#21 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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Give it another 100 years and it will happen.

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#22 deactivated-6127ced9bcba0
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Give it another 100 years and it will happen.

@Aljosa23 said:

Uhhhh no thanks

We'll take NY, the west coast, and the New England states, though. The rest can disappear for all I care.

You mean we'll take you. I'm sure the entire population of New York can fvck up Canadia any day of the week.

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#23 NightlyOne
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I don't ever see this happening, but if it ever does, I hope Canada take the reins. As an American, I love my country but the government is so screwed up. Capitol Hill is nothing but monkey politicians flinging poop at each other while the rest of the country burns.

Please save us, Canada.

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As a Canadian I would drown myself in Maple Syrup before living through that. Everything about the two countries is the same except the attitude, and I don't want any part of the American way of life

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#25  Edited By GazaAli
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Americans wouldn't have a problem with this, they may even want it badly enough. Canadians on the other hand...

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#26  Edited By ferrari2001
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All of North and South America should merge into one super country and then proceed to conquer the world.

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@ferrari2001 said:

All of North and South America should merge into one super country and then proceed to conquer the world.

And then form one super world and conquer the galaxy!

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#28  Edited By GazaAli
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ITT, one dumb idea after the other

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#29 capaho
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The US, Canada and Mexico should merge into one country. At the very least, statehood for Mexico would solve a lot of problems.

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#30 tape990
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As a Canadian no thank you. From what i know about how the US government is run and how they treat their people, you can stay were you are.

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#31 Barbariser
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It actually wouldn't change that much except making it impossible for the G.O.P. to control anything at the national level in the short to medium term. Most of the economic benefits espoused in the article basically exist already as a result of NAFTA + other FTAs. Militarily, NATO gives them a very similar benefit without requiring a political union. And even if you stuck the U.S. and Canada together, China would still outgrow their union in under 10 years because Canada's economy isn't really very big compared to either America or China. I guess it would look cool if you put it on a map though.

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#32 lamprey263
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sure, let's get Mexico too

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#33  Edited By AmazonTreeBoa
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I don't think Canada wants their country run into the ground by Obama the way he is running America into the ground. They are better off the way they are.

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#34  Edited By -Fromage-
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As long as I get to keep my free healthcare.

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#35 dave123321
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Canada doesn't have much to offer us

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#37  Edited By BeardMaster
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Yea chinese dominance isnt happening.

Last i heard (prolly couple years ago) the cost advantage of chinese labor vs ameican is only something like 15% and thats just labor cost, in overall product cost its probably something like 2%. And its expected to evaporate in the next 5-10 years... at which point manufacturing plants will start shutting down in china. And their economy will begin to shrink.

Petroleum prices are increasing, the chinese economy is only surviving off its currency manipulation.

The problem with poiseing yourself as cheap labor is, eventually at some point that labor will stop being cheaper and nobody will purchase it. So the bubble pops.

EDIT: however on the merge front, welcome canada... the infinitely better healthcare and education as well sensical voters.. i welcome. Although, sucks for canada.

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@Braun_Roid_Rage: and your politicians are corrupted AF bailing out corporations and emailing penis pics to strange women

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#39  Edited By Braun_Roid_Rage
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@kemar7856 said:

@Braun_Roid_Rage: and your politicians are corrupted AF bailing out corporations and emailing penis pics to strange women

murica. We're not pussies though.

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#40 Makhaidos
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Okay.

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#41  Edited By kemar7856
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@Braun_Roid_Rage: cry some more about obama care LOL

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@kemar7856: lol will do bud.

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How would this benefit either nation? There wouldn't be more jobs available like the article says. There would be really no point. Who cares if China becomes a larger economic power than the USA? One country cannot be the lead of that forever. Merging with Canada would just bring a bunch of unnecessary problems to both nations. It's pointless.

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#44 MgamerBD
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With this agreement. The U.S. can finally have maple syrup guns and polar bear attack squads. I welcome this idea.

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#45  Edited By BeardMaster
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@Wasdie said:

How would this benefit either nation? There wouldn't be more jobs available like the article says. There would be really no point. Who cares if China becomes a larger economic power than the USA? One country cannot be the lead of that forever. Merging with Canada would just bring a bunch of unnecessary problems to both nations. It's pointless.

Well it would cause a major shift in politics, at least in the USA. Voters might want more efficient healthcare and education, since they are used to it.

for canada, alot of dubious business owners looking for tax loopholes and lax regulations would be able to thrive.

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#46 LightR
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Stopped reading when it said same values. The values are nothing alike, just look at the Canadian parties. Canadians would never get over having a minority say in voting.

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#47  Edited By Fightingfan
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That'll be interesting.

Mexico provides the drugs, America arrest the drug dealers/addicts, and Canada provides new land for enlarging the prison industrial complex?

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#48 SUD123456
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Crazy thinking like this is exactly why we should develop our own nuclear weapons.

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#49  Edited By Jimn_tonic
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@BeardMaster said:

for canada, alot of dubious business owners looking for tax loopholes and lax regulations would be able to thrive.

tru.dat

I have no idea how the U.S. corporate taxes work. The U.S. has one of the highest nominal corporate tax rates @ 35% but the effective tax rate is below 12%..WTF?!

TOPIC: I wouldn't mind it one bit. I've gone through the border 4 times this year, and ordered on Amazon about a dozen times, because our domestic retail is in shambles.

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#50 mrintro
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Canadians are socialists, wouldn't fly here