US Ambassador to UN Hints at Removal of Russia From Security Council Over Syria

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#1 CommandoAgent
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Powers to the UN hints wants Removal of Russia From Security Council Over Syria!

While Russia fights ISIS in Syria and and other al qaeda terrorists in Syria and east aleppo this **** of an US Ambassador wants to remove Russia From Security Council Over Syria.

Yet she has no regrets that it was America's polices that created the mess in Libya and region not Russia.

Removing Russia wont do anything.

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Neo liberals just doing their work for predatory capitalism to flood the middle east.

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@Gaming-Planet said:

Neo liberals just doing their work for predatory capitalism to flood the middle east.

Nothing like exporting Jihadist and wahhabism and salafism thats what the rebels beliefs are.

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I think this proposal should be thrown out immediately. America has shipped tons of guns and military equipment to Syria. To groups who never had intentions of giving them back.

Its easy and convienent to call for peace now that a regime change to oust Assad has failed. And calling for peace is a lot easier to say inside a secured facility miles from the conflict zone. Than actually being on the conflict ground with a well armed factions.

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Yeah, remove those fucks and add Saudi Arabia instead. You've got the money, the world doesn't have the balls, everything is ready.

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Russia should be charged with war crimes. Not only for supporting Assad in the blatant killing of citizens but for their inhumane air strikes at which they are attacking and destroying aid to help the citizens in desperate need.

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@iandizion713 said:

Russia should be charged with war crimes. Not only for supporting Assad in the blatant killing of citizens but for their inhumane air strikes at which they are attacking and destroying aid to help the citizens in desperate need.

That's nonsense. The only civilians that have been killed by Assad or by Russia were killed accidentally while they were being used as human shields by the US-backed terrorists.

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#8  Edited By iandizion713
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@Stesilaus: What? You crazy. Face it, they have been caught attacking humanitarian aid. That is a war crime.

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@Stesilaus: What? You crazy. Face it, they have been caught attacking humanitarian aid. That is a war crime.

First of all, when Russia demanded hard-proof evidence, the US had to recognize they had none besides allegations.

Secondly, that humanitarian aid was attacked on rebel territory and at night, and most certainly it was destined for rebels as provision sent by the US. So all casualties in the attack were just rebels again. No part of that humanitrain aid would have made to actual civilians any way. Rebels take everything for themselves.

Thirdly, the day before, the US against all peace keeping agreements attacked Syrian army killing 62 and injuring a hundred, presumably by mistake lol. Should we exclude the US for that from Security Council as well. We probably should.

That UN humanitarian mission was just the US facade for smugling provisions to the rebels against the Russian-Syrian blocade, everybody knows that.

The US is just trying to prevent the rebel's definitive defeat in Allepo by all means, their last stronghold in Syria, and the US's last foothold in the country. Those peace keeping talks from the US was just a ruse to resupply and reinforce the rebels. The US doesn't want to solve this conflict, instead it wants to keep it latent as long as possible. If we really really want a peace in Syria, there must be a winner in that Civil War. The US is just trying to delay the rebels defeat, it just prolonging the agony.

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@jhonMalcovich said:
@iandizion713 said:

@Stesilaus: What? You crazy. Face it, they have been caught attacking humanitarian aid. That is a war crime.

First of all, when Russia demanded hard-proof evidence, the US had to recognize they had none besides allegations.

Secondly, that humanitarian aid was attacked on rebel territory and at night, and most certainly it was destined for rebels as provision sent by the US. So all casualties in the attack were just rebels again. No part of that humanitrain aid would have made to actual civilians any way. Rebels take everything for themselves.

Thirdly, the day before, the US against all peace keeping agreements attacked Syrian army killing 62 and injuring a hundred, presumably by mistake lol. Should we exclude the US for that from Security Council as well. We probably should.

That UN humanitarian mission was just the US facade for smugling provisions to the rebels against the Russian-Syrian blocade, everybody knows that.

The US is just trying to prevent the rebel's definitive defeat in Allepo by all means, their last stronghold in Syria, and the US's last foothold in the country. Those peace keeping talks from the US was just a ruse to resupply and reinforce the rebels. The US doesn't want to solve this conflict, instead it wants to keep it latent as long as possible. If we really really want a peace in Syria, there must be a winner in that Civil War. The US is just trying to delay the rebels defeat, it just prolonging the agony.

Very well said.

Another possibility is that the convoy was attacked by the "rebels" themselves, so as to create the grounds for calling for a no-fly zone.

Inspection of the site of the convoy attack found only fire damage. There were no craters and none of the blast damage that would have been caused by aerial bombing.

Source

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#11  Edited By iandizion713
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@Stesilaus said:
@jhonMalcovich said:
@iandizion713 said:

@Stesilaus: What? You crazy. Face it, they have been caught attacking humanitarian aid. That is a war crime.

First of all, when Russia demanded hard-proof evidence, the US had to recognize they had none besides allegations.

Secondly, that humanitarian aid was attacked on rebel territory and at night, and most certainly it was destined for rebels as provision sent by the US. So all casualties in the attack were just rebels again. No part of that humanitrain aid would have made to actual civilians any way. Rebels take everything for themselves.

Thirdly, the day before, the US against all peace keeping agreements attacked Syrian army killing 62 and injuring a hundred, presumably by mistake lol. Should we exclude the US for that from Security Council as well. We probably should.

That UN humanitarian mission was just the US facade for smugling provisions to the rebels against the Russian-Syrian blocade, everybody knows that.

The US is just trying to prevent the rebel's definitive defeat in Allepo by all means, their last stronghold in Syria, and the US's last foothold in the country. Those peace keeping talks from the US was just a ruse to resupply and reinforce the rebels. The US doesn't want to solve this conflict, instead it wants to keep it latent as long as possible. If we really really want a peace in Syria, there must be a winner in that Civil War. The US is just trying to delay the rebels defeat, it just prolonging the agony.

Very well said.

Another possibility is that the convoy was attacked by the "rebels" themselves, so as to create the grounds for calling for a no-fly zone.

Inspection of the site of the convoy attack found only fire damage. There were no craters and none of the blast damage that would have been caused by aerial bombing.

Source

Or, Russia just flat out attacked humanitarian aid. Its a war crime and Russia must face the penalty for such actions.

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@iandizion713 said:
@Stesilaus said:
@jhonMalcovich said:
@iandizion713 said:

@Stesilaus: What? You crazy. Face it, they have been caught attacking humanitarian aid. That is a war crime.

First of all, when Russia demanded hard-proof evidence, the US had to recognize they had none besides allegations.

Secondly, that humanitarian aid was attacked on rebel territory and at night, and most certainly it was destined for rebels as provision sent by the US. So all casualties in the attack were just rebels again. No part of that humanitrain aid would have made to actual civilians any way. Rebels take everything for themselves.

Thirdly, the day before, the US against all peace keeping agreements attacked Syrian army killing 62 and injuring a hundred, presumably by mistake lol. Should we exclude the US for that from Security Council as well. We probably should.

That UN humanitarian mission was just the US facade for smugling provisions to the rebels against the Russian-Syrian blocade, everybody knows that.

The US is just trying to prevent the rebel's definitive defeat in Allepo by all means, their last stronghold in Syria, and the US's last foothold in the country. Those peace keeping talks from the US was just a ruse to resupply and reinforce the rebels. The US doesn't want to solve this conflict, instead it wants to keep it latent as long as possible. If we really really want a peace in Syria, there must be a winner in that Civil War. The US is just trying to delay the rebels defeat, it just prolonging the agony.

Very well said.

Another possibility is that the convoy was attacked by the "rebels" themselves, so as to create the grounds for calling for a no-fly zone.

Inspection of the site of the convoy attack found only fire damage. There were no craters and none of the blast damage that would have been caused by aerial bombing.

Source

Or, Russia just flat out attacked humanitarian aid. Its a war crime and Russia must face the penalty for such actions.

Or, there is still no proof it was Russia lol. It was dark. What we have some photos of shrapnel that could be made anywhere in Syria and some low resolution cellphone of the fire made in the dark so one can literally see nothing except for some voices and sounds. So basically no real evidence what so ever.

Besides nobody will expell Russia for political reasons as it a major player. Good luck with that. Secondly, to expel Russia you need unanimous vote. There will be never unanimous vote.

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This is nothing more than yet another case of UN proxy bullshit. The US will push for it, and China will veto it. It's shitty political theater.

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@jhonMalcovich said:
@iandizion713 said:
@Stesilaus said:
@jhonMalcovich said:

First of all, when Russia demanded hard-proof evidence, the US had to recognize they had none besides allegations.

Secondly, that humanitarian aid was attacked on rebel territory and at night, and most certainly it was destined for rebels as provision sent by the US. So all casualties in the attack were just rebels again. No part of that humanitrain aid would have made to actual civilians any way. Rebels take everything for themselves.

Thirdly, the day before, the US against all peace keeping agreements attacked Syrian army killing 62 and injuring a hundred, presumably by mistake lol. Should we exclude the US for that from Security Council as well. We probably should.

That UN humanitarian mission was just the US facade for smugling provisions to the rebels against the Russian-Syrian blocade, everybody knows that.

The US is just trying to prevent the rebel's definitive defeat in Allepo by all means, their last stronghold in Syria, and the US's last foothold in the country. Those peace keeping talks from the US was just a ruse to resupply and reinforce the rebels. The US doesn't want to solve this conflict, instead it wants to keep it latent as long as possible. If we really really want a peace in Syria, there must be a winner in that Civil War. The US is just trying to delay the rebels defeat, it just prolonging the agony.

Very well said.

Another possibility is that the convoy was attacked by the "rebels" themselves, so as to create the grounds for calling for a no-fly zone.

Inspection of the site of the convoy attack found only fire damage. There were no craters and none of the blast damage that would have been caused by aerial bombing.

Source

Or, Russia just flat out attacked humanitarian aid. Its a war crime and Russia must face the penalty for such actions.

Or, there is still no proof it was Russia lol. It was dark. What we have some photos of shrapnel that could be made anywhere in Syria and some low resolution cellphone of the fire made in the dark so one can literally see nothing except for some voices and sounds. So basically no real evidence what so ever.

Besides nobody will expell Russia for political reasons as it a major player. Good luck with that. Secondly, to expel Russia you need unanimous vote. There will be never unanimous vote.

What we have is airstrikes that can only come from one place.

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@iandizion713 said:
@jhonMalcovich said:
@iandizion713 said:
@Stesilaus said:
@jhonMalcovich said:

First of all, when Russia demanded hard-proof evidence, the US had to recognize they had none besides allegations.

Secondly, that humanitarian aid was attacked on rebel territory and at night, and most certainly it was destined for rebels as provision sent by the US. So all casualties in the attack were just rebels again. No part of that humanitrain aid would have made to actual civilians any way. Rebels take everything for themselves.

Thirdly, the day before, the US against all peace keeping agreements attacked Syrian army killing 62 and injuring a hundred, presumably by mistake lol. Should we exclude the US for that from Security Council as well. We probably should.

That UN humanitarian mission was just the US facade for smugling provisions to the rebels against the Russian-Syrian blocade, everybody knows that.

The US is just trying to prevent the rebel's definitive defeat in Allepo by all means, their last stronghold in Syria, and the US's last foothold in the country. Those peace keeping talks from the US was just a ruse to resupply and reinforce the rebels. The US doesn't want to solve this conflict, instead it wants to keep it latent as long as possible. If we really really want a peace in Syria, there must be a winner in that Civil War. The US is just trying to delay the rebels defeat, it just prolonging the agony.

Very well said.

Another possibility is that the convoy was attacked by the "rebels" themselves, so as to create the grounds for calling for a no-fly zone.

Inspection of the site of the convoy attack found only fire damage. There were no craters and none of the blast damage that would have been caused by aerial bombing.

Source

Or, Russia just flat out attacked humanitarian aid. Its a war crime and Russia must face the penalty for such actions.

Or, there is still no proof it was Russia lol. It was dark. What we have some photos of shrapnel that could be made anywhere in Syria and some low resolution cellphone of the fire made in the dark so one can literally see nothing except for some voices and sounds. So basically no real evidence what so ever.

Besides nobody will expell Russia for political reasons as it a major player. Good luck with that. Secondly, to expel Russia you need unanimous vote. There will be never unanimous vote.

What we have is airstrikes that can only come from one place.

The US itself could have bombed to blame Russia. Who knows without evidence.

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@jhonMalcovich: True, cause US are only ones allowed to fly over Syria. Now your thinking big guy. But we didnt, and Russia didnt deny it either, they know they did it. And they know were coming for them.

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@iandizion713 said:

@Stesilaus: What? You crazy. Face it, they have been caught attacking humanitarian aid. That is a war crime.

So is it war crime also to fund and arm Jihadist Terrorists coward? Everyone in the world now knows that America supports ISIS.

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@iandizion713 said:
@Stesilaus said:
@jhonMalcovich said:
@iandizion713 said:

@Stesilaus: What? You crazy. Face it, they have been caught attacking humanitarian aid. That is a war crime.

First of all, when Russia demanded hard-proof evidence, the US had to recognize they had none besides allegations.

Secondly, that humanitarian aid was attacked on rebel territory and at night, and most certainly it was destined for rebels as provision sent by the US. So all casualties in the attack were just rebels again. No part of that humanitrain aid would have made to actual civilians any way. Rebels take everything for themselves.

Thirdly, the day before, the US against all peace keeping agreements attacked Syrian army killing 62 and injuring a hundred, presumably by mistake lol. Should we exclude the US for that from Security Council as well. We probably should.

That UN humanitarian mission was just the US facade for smugling provisions to the rebels against the Russian-Syrian blocade, everybody knows that.

The US is just trying to prevent the rebel's definitive defeat in Allepo by all means, their last stronghold in Syria, and the US's last foothold in the country. Those peace keeping talks from the US was just a ruse to resupply and reinforce the rebels. The US doesn't want to solve this conflict, instead it wants to keep it latent as long as possible. If we really really want a peace in Syria, there must be a winner in that Civil War. The US is just trying to delay the rebels defeat, it just prolonging the agony.

Very well said.

Another possibility is that the convoy was attacked by the "rebels" themselves, so as to create the grounds for calling for a no-fly zone.

Inspection of the site of the convoy attack found only fire damage. There were no craters and none of the blast damage that would have been caused by aerial bombing.

Source

Or, Russia just flat out attacked humanitarian aid. Its a war crime and Russia must face the penalty for such actions.

If it weren't for Russia in 2015. Your beloved ISIS would had marched stormed onto Damascus by now.

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@iandizion713 said:

@jhonMalcovich: True, cause US are only ones allowed to fly over Syria. Now your thinking big guy. But we didnt, and Russia didnt deny it either, they know they did it. And they know were coming for them.

Theres no proof that Russia did it if your going to believe the white helmets terrorists.

Who has trained child soldiers. Also a war crime.

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@CommandoAgent: Mate your just spreading Russian conspiracies. Enjoy spiting that garbage. Syria funded ISIS during our fighting in Iraq. America has never funded such terrorist. And again, America are only ones allowed to fly over Syria, it was Russia doing the airstrikes, we know cause its their planes. They know it too, thats why instead of denying it or saying it was an accident, they sat right there and tried to spin it with propaganda against US and all its allies.

Russia will never win this propaganda war their fighting. Soon Americans and others will wake up and figure it all out. They are lucky people dont study this stuff deeply. But soon their masterful media usage will be over. The truth always comes out.

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Drive by headline.

Russia is a permanent member of the Security Council and cannot be removed.

Moreover, the article does not make that assertion. What you have is an editor approving a misleading headline for the purposes of getting hits... to sputnik news, ffs.

But carry on with your nonsense.

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@iandizion713 said:

Russia should be charged with war crimes. Not only for supporting Assad in the blatant killing of citizens but for their inhumane air strikes at which they are attacking and destroying aid to help the citizens in desperate need.

So should the US. the US have bombed civilians and the rebels and kurds they support have committed war crimes too. Both the US and Russia should face war crime charges, but they won't.

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@Icarian: Airstriking humanitarian aid is a war crime. Assad and Russia have committed war crimes. Russia also committed a war crime by invading and taking Crimea. Collateral damage is expected, its a war zone. When America makes a mistake, they admit it and apologize.

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@Icarian: Airstriking humanitarian aid is a war crime. Assad and Russia have committed war crimes. Russia also committed a war crime by invading and taking Crimea. Collateral damage is expected, its a war zone. When America makes a mistake, they admit it and apologize.

America and UK had committed war crimes in Iraq. Pakistan and in Libya and so had in Syria yet so get a free pass they pretend that they are the Freedom givers of the world? lol

"When America makes a mistake, they admit it and apologize"

LOL LOL

Like Bombing the Chinese embassy in Belgrade in Serbia? which i may add America never apologized directly. Or like how America is helping the Saudis bomb civilians with British and American made bombs? While pretending to be world's police officer by accusing Russia doing the same to their Jhadist groups in Syria?

If America stops bullying, military intervening everywhere around the world including the middle east maybe America would regain its respects back.

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@CommandoAgent: Mate your just spreading Russian conspiracies. Enjoy spiting that garbage. Syria funded ISIS during our fighting in Iraq. America has never funded such terrorist. And again, America are only ones allowed to fly over Syria, it was Russia doing the airstrikes, we know cause its their planes. They know it too, thats why instead of denying it or saying it was an accident, they sat right there and tried to spin it with propaganda against US and all its allies.

Russia will never win this propaganda war their fighting. Soon Americans and others will wake up and figure it all out. They are lucky people dont study this stuff deeply. But soon their masterful media usage will be over. The truth always comes out.

I am sure michael wise the guy who claimed that Russia is ISIS Air force LOL. Would love to hire you as his spokesperson.

"Kmerica are only ones allowed to fly over Syria,

"http://aa.com.tr/uploads/Contents/2016/09/02/thumbs_b_c_4c10b59f4184605060bf9db9731b6938.jpg

America was never invited by the Syrian government to enter its airspace Americans as usual illegally eneterd Syria to the North of Syria with some of the groups that it supports. They had even send CIA black op groups to arm and train Jihadists from Arab Sunni Countries since 2012.

"Russia will never win this propaganda war their fighting"

LOL if anyone is losing the propaganda war its America and West are trouble covering your beloved Jihadists

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@CommandoAgent: Mate your just spreading Russian conspiracies. Enjoy spiting that garbage. Syria funded ISIS during our fighting in Iraq. America has never funded such terrorist. And again, America are only ones allowed to fly over Syria, it was Russia doing the airstrikes, we know cause its their planes. They know it too, thats why instead of denying it or saying it was an accident, they sat right there and tried to spin it with propaganda against US and all its allies.

Russia will never win this propaganda war their fighting. Soon Americans and others will wake up and figure it all out. They are lucky people dont study this stuff deeply. But soon their masterful media usage will be over. The truth always comes out.

Its no Conspiracy theory little boy.

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"Syria funded ISIS during our fighting in Iraq"

LOL really now. Do you realize that Saddam had no ties to terrorist groups? ISIS quickly formed out of the mess that you war mongers created in the first place.

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@CommandoAgent: Mate your just spreading Russian conspiracies. Enjoy spiting that garbage. Syria funded ISIS during our fighting in Iraq. America has never funded such terrorist. And again, America are only ones allowed to fly over Syria, it was Russia doing the airstrikes, we know cause its their planes. They know it too, thats why instead of denying it or saying it was an accident, they sat right there and tried to spin it with propaganda against US and all its allies.

Russia will never win this propaganda war their fighting. Soon Americans and others will wake up and figure it all out. They are lucky people dont study this stuff deeply. But soon their masterful media usage will be over. The truth always comes out.

LOL Ok Smart Mouth Who are the moderates then? little cute Jihadists who use child soldiers?

Did you even know your beloved white helemts dude to the right was a fighter to a Jihadist group?

Or the fact that your beloved moderates protested agaisnt the humanitarian aid in eastern Aleppo as the first image shows that they protested agaisnt the aid and didn't want it. I laughed that you claimed Russia will never win this propaganda war.

Correction its a propaganda war which the American government started as early as in 2011. I had being following the conflict for a while and it seems our MSM are the ones who are covering it up for the Jihadists thats what the rebels are nothing more then Jihadists funded and armed by wealthy gulf states who are falling in Yemen lol.

You heard the American to create an airspace we have to go war with Syria and Russia. >WW3 are you up to it?

Looking forward for more of your weak replies.

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@Icarian: Airstriking humanitarian aid is a war crime. Assad and Russia have committed war crimes. Russia also committed a war crime by invading and taking Crimea. Collateral damage is expected, its a war zone. When America makes a mistake, they admit it and apologize.

LOL Ah now so its about Crimea. The majority of Russians in Crimea who lived in Crimea for decades had a long history of hatred towards Kiev ever since the creation of Ukraine Russians in Crimea always wanted to be with Russia.

I love how some of you Americans pretend to care about others as if! lol no one in Crimea gives a crap about the falling EU empire.

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For those who support the rebels. Here how are the women treated can you see the problem? i sure do.

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@iandizion713 said:

@CommandoAgent: Mate your just spreading Russian conspiracies. Enjoy spiting that garbage. Syria funded ISIS during our fighting in Iraq. America has never funded such terrorist. And again, America are only ones allowed to fly over Syria, it was Russia doing the airstrikes, we know cause its their planes. They know it too, thats why instead of denying it or saying it was an accident, they sat right there and tried to spin it with propaganda against US and all its allies.

Russia will never win this propaganda war their fighting. Soon Americans and others will wake up and figure it all out. They are lucky people dont study this stuff deeply. But soon their masterful media usage will be over. The truth always comes out.

"Wealthy Gulf states may arm Syrian rebels to ‘get the Russians to back off’ - US officials"

Yes the same Wealthy Gulf states who arm Sunni Jihadist groups are bombing civilians in Yemen.

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"Russia will never win this propaganda war their fighting"

LOL LOL.

Come back when you have some actual pointers.

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#31 Dakur
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LOL, if Russia should be kicked out of the UN for war crimes then the US should be too. In fact just disband the UN since it is comprised by a bunch of criminals trying to point their fingers at other criminals.

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#32 iandizion713
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@CommandoAgent: Your just rambling mate. Where is your evidence?

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#33 Riverwolf007
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Stupid to declare who is and is not a war criminal until you see who wins being as how both sides in every war commit atrocities and the determining factor is who gets to set up the trial.

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#34  Edited By iandizion713
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@Riverwolf007: A war criminal is someone who breaks international laws. Russia and Syria have done this multiple times. Sure America has accidentally killed civilians and stuff, but this is war and they are living in a war zone. Collateral damage is expected. Even the Syrian people know this and have praised us for our apologies. Its why they continue to call us Big Brother.

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#35  Edited By Riverwolf007
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@iandizion713: There are the ideals and there is the reality.

I was talking about the reality.

Both sides always inherently commit atrocities it is basically impossible to avoid committing them.

The losing side pays. There may be an exception to the rule every once in awhile.

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#36  Edited By iandizion713
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@Riverwolf007: Attacking humanitarian aid by air strike in a no fly zone or evading a nation and occupying part of said nation is very easy to avoid.

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@iandizion713 said:

@Riverwolf007: Attacking humanitarian aid by air strike in a no fly zone or evading a nation and occupying part of said nation is very easy to avoid.

What about indiscriminate use of heavy artillery against civilian populations? Or use of white phosphorous for other than illumination? Or shooting down a civilian airliner?

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#38 iandizion713
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@SUD123456: Its called war. Show where America broke international law.

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#39  Edited By SUD123456
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@SUD123456: Its called war. Show where America broke international law.

Really. So you can provide me with a link to a formal declaration of war.

And I just gave you 3 examples.

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#40  Edited By iandizion713
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@SUD123456: You gave me no evidence of breaking international law. We dont declare wars no more, we havnt since WW2. We call them conflicts. Iraq was never declared a war, neither was Desert Storm, and so on and so on.

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#41 SUD123456
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@iandizion713:

So your excuse of it's war can then be applied to any form of conflict? Irrespective of whether it is actually war. Is that your position? Please be clear on this since we are discussing war crimes. Or we could discuss crimes against humanity, if you prefer.

Also, I'll give you this one freebie on white phosphorous. Having done so, I'll suggest that you are incredibly naïve if you don't believe that the US (or any state for that matter) does not violate international law relatively routinely when in any material conflict. As Riverwolf stated it is essentially inevitable and the powerful and winners decide what is a 'war crime' and what isn't.

http://law.bepress.com/expresso/eps/1959/

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#42  Edited By iandizion713
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@SUD123456: Again, please show me where US violated international law. I didnt even mention gas as im not well informed on that attack. And yes, the powers decide what a war crime is, its who made international law. Many powers came together and continue to come together to decide international law.

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#43 SUD123456
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@iandizion713: I just did.

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#44  Edited By iandizion713
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@SUD123456: Seems from multiple sources "Some artillery guns fired white phosphorus (WP) rounds that create a screen of fire that cannot be extinguished with water." Then,

"On November 22, 2005, the Iraqi government stated it would investigate the use of white phosphorus in the battle of Fallujah.[19] On November 30, 2005, General Peter Pace stated that white phosphorus munitions were a "legitimate tool of the military" used to illuminate targets and create smokescreens, saying "It is not a chemical weapon. It is an incendiary. And it is well within the law of war to use those weapons as they're being used, for marking and for screening".[20]"

So im not to sure on the different classifications of the rounds, but i think i agree that they are legal cause we use them on prisoners in America. Ive watched them gang prison videos and they use a similar round that burns the skin very bad and acts as a screen so that they can restrain the violent prisoner.

It burns pretty bad and leaves a nasty burn mark wherever it touches. Its not lethal, but it hurts extremely bad.

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#45 JimB
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I don't think Russia can be removed from the Security Council as they are one of the five permanent members on the council.