The USA had plenty of chances to kill Bin Laden...

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#1 BMD004
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Am I reading this correctly?

Parrot, who was once the chief falconer for the Shah of Iran and who has worked for the royal families of Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates, still has extensive contacts in Iran and the falcon world. One of those contacts, described as a warlord from the north of Iran and disguised in a balaclava, reveals in the film that he has met Bin Laden six times on hunting trips inside Iran since March 2003. He says the Al Qaeda leader is relaxed and healthy and so comfortable that "he travels with only four bodyguards."

Parrot said Bin Laden was renowned as an avid falconer who captured most of the falcons around Kandahar to raise funds to support his terror efforts. Each spring wealthy Arabs from the Gulf would fill military cargo planes full of specially equipped Toyota Land Cruisers and other equipmentand fly to the falcon camps in Afghanistan. "Usama would arrive and presented the falcons as gifts," Parrot said. "In return, the wealthy princes would leave the cars and equipment with him when they left, giving Al Qaeda a considerable material advantage over others, including the Taliban."

Richard Clarke, the former counterterrorism expert at the White House through two administrations, has admitted in interviews and before the 9/11 Commission that on one of the three occasions the United States was able to place Bin Laden, he was in a falcon camp set up by falcon hunters from Dubai. The CIA requested a cruise missile strike against Bin Laden. Clarke said he stopped the government from firing at the camp because "it didn't look like an Al Qaeda camp."

Edit: Oh yeah, I guess the source would help :P

Any one of these:

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/05/03/usama-bin-laden-living-comfortably-iran-documentary-asserts/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/7680557/Osama-bin-Laden-living-in-luxury-in-Iran.html

http://www.news.com.au/world/bin-laden-living-a-relaxed-comfortable-existence-in-iran-apartment-documentary-claims/story-e6frfkyi-1225862175752

http://www.iranian.com/main/news/2010/05/05/osama-bin-laden-living-luxury-iran

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#2 SamusFreak
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Source?

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#3 chessmaster1989
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What's your source for this?
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Yes there were several times. I forget which country, but some Arab commandos had tracked him down and were ready to take him out but the CIA called off the whole thing due to some BS.

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For those asking for the source, it was on ABC news. That's where I read it, at least.
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Yes, several times the CIA had planned to kill him but were called off.

We also came incredibly close to capturing him during the assault on Tora Bora,but the government refused to stage a large scale attack with American forces and instead used local militias. Unsuprising, he slipped past the militiamen who were suppose to be stopping his escape into Pakistan.

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#7 BMD004
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I just don't understand... what is the reasoning of keeping this guy alive? Isn't he the most wanted man in the world by the USA?

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#8 l4dak47
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Yes. It's unfortunate.
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#9 Snipes_2
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"Clarke said he stopped the government from firing at the camp because "it didn't look like an Al Qaeda camp.""


Yup, Looks like you read that right. Probably didn't want to deal with all the "Oh, You bombed Civilians" etc...Garbage.

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#10 SamusFreak
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For those asking for the source, it was on ABC news. That's where I read it, at least.GHlegend77

ah ok. I have heard of several times we have had a chance to bag this guy, just not this one. I will def go over to ABC and check it out.

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You clearly don't understand. Its got to be a Hollywood ending.
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As with all things in life...it is all about timing
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#13 Theokhoth
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Are you saying you want our officials to bomb places that look like civilian camps just because Bin Laden might be in them? :|

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#14 BMD004
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Are you saying you want our officials to bomb places that look like civilian camps just because Bin Laden might be in them? :|

Theokhoth
Not necessarily. What I am saying is if they knew that Bin Laden was there, then they KNEW WHERE HE WAS!!! They should have been able to keep tabs on his every move until they could get a chance to get him.
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#15 rcafan
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[QUOTE="Theokhoth"]

Are you saying you want our officials to bomb places that look like civilian camps just because Bin Laden might be in them? :|

BMD004
Not necessarily. What I am saying is if they knew that Bin Laden was there, then they KNEW WHERE HE WAS!!! They should have been able to keep tabs on his every move until they could get a chance to get him.

many others did as well did they do anything no....
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#16 Sajo7
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"Clarke said he stopped the government from firing at the camp because "it didn't look like an Al Qaeda camp.""


Yup, Looks like you read that right. Probably didn't want to deal with all the "Oh, You bombed Civilians" etc...Garbage.

Snipes_2

Not many people seem to have qualms about killing them with drones so I doubt that was the reason.

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#17 guitarshr3dd3r
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Well I'm sure there is wayyyy more to this than just hunting him down, the government is hiding quite a bit from us, who knows what their real intentions for Bin Laden are.
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#18 Sajo7
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You clearly don't understand. Its got to be a Hollywood ending.Wilfred_Owen
Petraeus and bin Laden have to engage in fisticuffs in the Pakistani mountainside.
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Bin Laden used to work for the US government.
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Bin Laden used to work for the US government.Nauron-
If by "worked for the US government" you mean "the US government gave Saudi Arabia money to fund military groups to fight off the Russians, and Bin Laden was among those people," then you are correct.
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#21 BMD004
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I just don't understand why things like this aren't bigger news..

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Politicians = biggest liars and salesmen

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#23 WhiteKnight77
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The US had a chance to kill Bin Laden dating back the the Clinton administration, but he stopped the operation as the target was being lased.

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#24 Snipes_2
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The US had a chance to kill Bin Laden dating back the the Clinton administration, but he stopped the operation as the target was being lased.

WhiteKnight77
This is true. Clinton could have actually had him, too bad he canceled it though.
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You clearly don't understand. Its got to be a Hollywood ending.Wilfred_Owen
tries to think of a whitty Bruce Willis Die Hard line to say whenever they find Bin Laden...
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#26 SaudiFury
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[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

The US had a chance to kill Bin Laden dating back the the Clinton administration, but he stopped the operation as the target was being lased.

Snipes_2
This is true. Clinton could have actually had him, too bad he canceled it though.

that's true, just... who the hell knew this was going to be a huge problem for the US at the time. know what i mean?
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#27 Shad0ki11
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We don't need to kill him, just incarcerate him. Incarceration is worse than death.

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#28 face_ripper
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Bin Laden is clearly unstoppable. Until he dies of old age or a disease, he won't be killed.

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#29 WhiteKnight77
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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

The US had a chance to kill Bin Laden dating back the the Clinton administration, but he stopped the operation as the target was being lased.

SaudiFury

This is true. Clinton could have actually had him, too bad he canceled it though.

that's true, just... who the hell knew this was going to be a huge problem for the US at the time. know what i mean?

The problem is Clinton did know as the original attack on the WTC in 1993 was done by Al Qaeda. Anyone with half a brain could figure out he would try again.

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[QUOTE="SaudiFury"][QUOTE="Snipes_2"] This is true. Clinton could have actually had him, too bad he canceled it though. WhiteKnight77

that's true, just... who the hell knew this was going to be a huge problem for the US at the time. know what i mean?

The problem is Clinton did know as the original attack on the WTC in 1993 was done by Al Qaeda. Anyone with half a brain could figure out he would try again.

Pretty much.
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Bin Laden is clearly unstoppable. Until he dies of old age or a disease, he won't be killed.

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I think he's been dead. A man like himself would've come out by now. He hasnt actually been seen or heard from since around 2004. I think he was obliterated by a bombing by the Air Force or something. I truly think we've been looking for a deadman all these years.
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Yes, several times the CIA had planned to kill him but were called off.

We also came incredibly close to capturing him during the assault on Tora Bora,but the government refused to stage a large scale attack with American forces and instead used local militias. Unsuprising, he slipped past the militiamen who were suppose to be stopping his escape into Pakistan.

UnknownSniper65

Yeah, USA does some stupid things...

I just don't understand... what is the reasoning of keeping this guy alive? Isn't he the most wanted man in the world by the USA?

BMD004

lolwut?

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If Osama is killed and Al Qaeda falls apart, the funding will be greatly reduced because it will be just about stabilization, plus the support for the war will go way down if there isn't a face of the enemy. So for a lot of people who hold a lot of power, it is advantageous to keep him alive.
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[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

[QUOTE="SaudiFury"] that's true, just... who the hell knew this was going to be a huge problem for the US at the time. know what i mean?Snipes_2

The problem is Clinton did know as the original attack on the WTC in 1993 was done by Al Qaeda. Anyone with half a brain could figure out he would try again.

Pretty much.

Really? because i recall 9/11 being a keystone change in attitude the US and the world had to terrorism. the attitude and thinking back before 9/11 was that Terrorism was more of a nuisance then a grave problem. To pin it all on Clinton for not having seen the future is rather silly and dishonost, when comparing to how EVERYONE pretty much thought of terrorism.
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Really? because i recall 9/11 being a keystone change in attitude the US and the world had to terrorism. the attitude and thinking back before 9/11 was that Terrorism was more of a nuisance then a grave problem. To pin it all on Clinton for not having seen the future is rather silly and dishonost, when comparing to how EVERYONE pretty much thought of terrorism.SaudiFury

The war on terror has been going on alot longer than most people think. Just because we are seeing alot of what's being done now doesn't mean it wasn't going on before.

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[QUOTE="Snipes_2"][QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

The problem is Clinton did know as the original attack on the WTC in 1993 was done by Al Qaeda. Anyone with half a brain could figure out he would try again.

SaudiFury

Pretty much.

Really? because i recall 9/11 being a keystone change in attitude the US and the world had to terrorism. the attitude and thinking back before 9/11 was that Terrorism was more of a nuisance then a grave problem. To pin it all on Clinton for not having seen the future is rather silly and dishonost, when comparing to how EVERYONE pretty much thought of terrorism.

Taking of hostages in Tehran, Achille Lauro, Beirut, discos in Germany, Navy Seal during a hijacking, Pan Am Flt 103, USS Cole are all examples of attacks on Americans dating back to when Jimmy Carter was in office actually and have spanned many Presidents. With the exception of Beirut and Tehran, we went after those who attacked us, one way or the other. Clinton lobbed a couple of cruise missiles into Afghanistan that didn't hit anything worthwhile, but when presented with the chance to take decisive action, he didn't. At least Jimmy Carter tried to rectify the situation.

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[QUOTE="UnknownSniper65"]

Yes, several times the CIA had planned to kill him but were called off.

We also came incredibly close to capturing him during the assault on Tora Bora,but the government refused to stage a large scale attack with American forces and instead used local militias. Unsuprising, he slipped past the militiamen who were suppose to be stopping his escape into Pakistan.

Link334

Yeah, USA does some stupid things...

I just don't understand... what is the reasoning of keeping this guy alive? Isn't he the most wanted man in the world by the USA?

BMD004

lolwut?

He is the most wanted man in the world by the USA. Meaning, out of all of the people in the WORLD, he is the guy that the USA most wants to capture or kill.
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Just get Sarah Silverman to run him over. Dilemma Over.
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Collateral damage is a bad thing and the U.S. Military tries to avoid it.

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I just don't understand... what is the reasoning of keeping this guy alive? Isn't he the most wanted man in the world by the USA?

BMD004
Him being alive can be used to justify being places we should not be doing things we should not do.
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#43 Sajo7
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[QUOTE="WhiteKnight77"]

The US had a chance to kill Bin Laden dating back the the Clinton administration, but he stopped the operation as the target was being lased.

Snipes_2
This is true. Clinton could have actually had him, too bad he canceled it though.

Actually Clinton bombed a second Al-Qaeda camp that bin Laden was supposed to head to, but bin Laden abruptly felt like going elsewhere.
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#44 Sajo7
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Collateral damage is a bad thing and the U.S. Military tries to avoid it.

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Then why are we stilling dropping inaccurate bombs down on insurgents that kill civilians as well?
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#45 ImaPirate0202
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[QUOTE="ImaPirate0202"]

Collateral damage is a bad thing and the U.S. Military tries to avoid it.

Sajo7

Then why are we stilling dropping inaccurate bombs down on insurgents that kill civilians as well?

Read the last four words of my post over and over until they sink in.

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[QUOTE="ImaPirate0202"]

Collateral damage is a bad thing and the U.S. Military tries to avoid it.

Sajo7

Then why are we stilling dropping inaccurate bombs down on insurgents that kill civilians as well?

The bombs are accurate, accuracy isn't the problem. Its the Taliban's fighting methods and the fact that the West doesn't have the backbone to do what is necessary to win a war is the major problem . The enemy knows what the rules of engagement are and they use it to their own advantage. The taliban know if they use positions occupied by innocent civilians NATO troops cannot do anything about it without killing civilians. A Large amount of the innocent civilians that have been killed were killed while being used as human shields by the Taliban. The gloves need to come off and we need to start fighting to win. Why are the Taliban sitting (with a captured American soldier) in Pakistan largely unharassed by ground forces? All we have to attack the Taliban in Pakistan are unmanned drones and even then the world cries afoul whenever we use them.

In the words of Douglas MacArthur "War's very object is victory, not prolonged indecision. In war there is no substitute for victory."

If we aren't willing to win at any cost then we should simply leave and not waste anymore lives.

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#47 Sajo7
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[QUOTE="Sajo7"][QUOTE="ImaPirate0202"]

Collateral damage is a bad thing and the U.S. Military tries to avoid it.

UnknownSniper65

Then why are we stilling dropping inaccurate bombs down on insurgents that kill civilians as well?

The bombs are accurate, accuracy isn't the problem. Its the Taliban's fighting methods and the fact that the West doesn't have the backbone to do what is necessary to win a war is the major problem . The enemy knows what the rules of engagement are and they use it to their own advantage. The taliban know if they use positions occupied by innocent civilians NATO troops cannot do anything about it without killing civilians. A Large amount of the innocent civilians that have been killed were killed while being used as human shields by the Taliban. The gloves need to come off and we need to start fighting to win. Why are the Taliban sitting (with a captured American soldier) in Pakistan largely unharassed by ground forces? All we have to attack the Taliban in Pakistan are unmanned drones and even then the world cries afoul whenever we use them.

In the words of Douglas MacArthur "War's very object is victory, not prolonged indecision. In war there is no substitute for victory."

If we aren't willing to win at any cost then we should simply leave and not waste anymore lives.

War at any cost seems to go against every concept of the counter insurgency strategy. If we use total war tactics insurgents will have a much easier time recruiting more insurgents.