The problem with secularism

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#1 GreySeal9
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Just awhile go, the TC was arguing as a derpy athiest and now he's arguing as a derpy thiest. Stop feeding him, guys.

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#2 metroidprime55
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Just awhile go, the TC was arguing as an derpy athiest and now he's arguing as a derpy thiest. Stop feeding him, guys.

GreySeal9

I think he was constantly being a derpy theist but I agree, this is a troll thread. But this LJS argument is worthy of popcorn.

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#3 dave123321
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An thinking of leaving again.
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#5 MetalDogGear
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Atheism is sitting at a mind-blowing 13.7% in the United states. I applaud them for being able to breed as fast as they did. But as we all know, invasive species in the end are damaging to environments.

 

 

The problem with secularism is that, through a godless society, we lose our basis for morality and unity. Without a sense of religion the people lose hope in times of peril. We see during times of crisis that people use prayer to console themselves and get help from God. Take this away and I guarantee you that suicide rates will double--no triple. 

 

 

So, heed my warning. A little secularism is fine, but too much is a bad thing.

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#6 Rich3232
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Rofl.
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#7 Ring_of_fire
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Leave the preaching to the professionals.
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#8 Fightingfan
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I agree non relgious people bring nothing but death. Hitler? Atheist/Agnostic. Stalin? Atheist. Mao? Atheist. Brings nothing but destruction. Let us hang these people to avoid further genocide.
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#9 lamprey263
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secularism doesn't embrace atheism, it doesn't embrace anybodies religious ideals (or lack thereof) and it's crazy to assume that without religion you lose a basis for morality
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#10 HoolaHoopMan
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I've read the Bible. If that's your idea of morals then lol.
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#11 Mithrandir50
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Just when I thought Metal Dog couldn't get any less intelligent...

Metal Dog.  You can have morals without religion.  Atheists have morals.  

To quote Lai, you are being both ignorant and irrational.

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#12 WolfattheDoor34
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I killed so many babies before I found god, was literally killing a baby like every day
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#13 Yusuke420
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I'm agnostic and I love everyone who hasn't wronged me in anyway!

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#14 THE_DRUGGIE
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This is why we all need to worship the sun.

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#15 LJS9502_basic
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To quote Lai, you are being both ignorant and irrational.Mithrandir50
Sad sad day when you quote Lai.....
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Just when I thought Metal Dog couldn't get any less intelligent...

Metal Dog.  You can have morals without religion.  Atheists have morals.  

To quote Lai, you are being both ignorant and irrational.

Mithrandir50
The atheist asserts that he or she has morals. Just ask them the basis for their morality and watch the silence enfold.
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[QUOTE="Mithrandir50"]To quote Lai, you are being both ignorant and irrational.LJS9502_basic
Sad sad day when you quote Lai.....

Lai is a good person. Shutup, you flaming old man
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[QUOTE="Mithrandir50"]

Just when I thought Metal Dog couldn't get any less intelligent...

Metal Dog.  You can have morals without religion.  Atheists have morals.  

To quote Lai, you are being both ignorant and irrational.

MetalDogGear

The atheist asserts that he or she has morals. Just ask them the basis for their morality and watch the silence enfold.

If you asked me that question, I'd say "personal observation."

It's a pretty good teacher.

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#19 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Mithrandir50"]To quote Lai, you are being both ignorant and irrational.Mithrandir50
Sad sad day when you quote Lai.....

Lai is a good person. Shutup, you flaming old man

Well he is a step up from you.....
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[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"][QUOTE="Mithrandir50"]

Just when I thought Metal Dog couldn't get any less intelligent...

Metal Dog.  You can have morals without religion.  Atheists have morals.  

To quote Lai, you are being both ignorant and irrational.

THE_DRUGGIE

The atheist asserts that he or she has morals. Just ask them the basis for their morality and watch the silence enfold.

If you asked me that question, I'd say "personal observation."

It's a pretty good teacher.

Observing religious people adopting religious views, thus being religious.
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#21 THE_DRUGGIE
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[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"] The atheist asserts that he or she has morals. Just ask them the basis for their morality and watch the silence enfold.Fightingfan

If you asked me that question, I'd say "personal observation."

It's a pretty good teacher.

Observing religious people adopting religious views, thus being religious.

????

Who said I'm observing people?

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#22 Mithrandir50
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[QUOTE="Mithrandir50"]

Just when I thought Metal Dog couldn't get any less intelligent...

Metal Dog.  You can have morals without religion.  Atheists have morals.  

To quote Lai, you are being both ignorant and irrational.

MetalDogGear
The atheist asserts that he or she has morals. Just ask them the basis for their morality and watch the silence enfold.

My basis for morals? An internal sense of right and wrong. My brain. I'd argue that some religious folk have less of a moral foundation than most atheists. Not even talking about the extremists. I'm talking about the oppression of homosexuals. Do you think it is right to think gays as sinners and abominations?
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#23 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

If you asked me that question, I'd say "personal observation."

It's a pretty good teacher.

THE_DRUGGIE

Observing religious people adopting religious views, thus being religious.

????

Who said I'm observing people?

I don't know dude...sounds like he's calling you a stalker....:o
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#24 Fightingfan
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[QUOTE="Fightingfan"][QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

If you asked me that question, I'd say "personal observation."

It's a pretty good teacher.

THE_DRUGGIE

Observing religious people adopting religious views, thus being religious.

????

Who said I'm observing people?

Animals?
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[QUOTE="Mithrandir50"]

Just when I thought Metal Dog couldn't get any less intelligent...

Metal Dog.  You can have morals without religion.  Atheists have morals.  

To quote Lai, you are being both ignorant and irrational.

MetalDogGear

The atheist asserts that he or she has morals. Just ask them the basis for their morality and watch the silence enfold.

The basis is I don't want to hurt other people and I hope they don't want to do any harm to me. Don't need religion to see this is a good idea nor does religion have the monopoly on being moral. 

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[QUOTE="Mithrandir50"]

Just when I thought Metal Dog couldn't get any less intelligent...

Metal Dog.  You can have morals without religion.  Atheists have morals.  

To quote Lai, you are being both ignorant and irrational.

MetalDogGear
The atheist asserts that he or she has morals. Just ask them the basis for their morality and watch the silence enfold.

Lol. Right, because your god is such a moral entity.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Mithrandir50"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Sad sad day when you quote Lai.....

Lai is a good person. Shutup, you flaming old man

Well he is a step up from you.....

Which isn't offensive to me at all because I hold Lai in very high esteem. I think you are insecure, bud.
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#28 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Mithrandir50"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Mithrandir50"] Lai is a good person. Shutup, you flaming old man

Well he is a step up from you.....

Which isn't offensive to me at all because I hold Lai in very high esteem. I think you are insecure, bud.

lol no. But I expect as much from you.....
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[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"][QUOTE="Mithrandir50"]

Just when I thought Metal Dog couldn't get any less intelligent...

Metal Dog.  You can have morals without religion.  Atheists have morals.  

To quote Lai, you are being both ignorant and irrational.

Rich3232
The atheist asserts that he or she has morals. Just ask them the basis for their morality and watch the silence enfold.

Lol. Right, because your god is such a moral entity.

>Tells pharaoh to free Israelites >Hardens pharaoh's heart, and pharaoh doesn't free them >Punish pharaoh by killing all of the first born children My role model!
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#30 LJS9502_basic
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Why fall for a troll thread?
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How would a lack of religion cause the downfall of morality? Religion itself actually promotes many immoral things and you don't see every atheist going out and committing crimes.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Mithrandir50"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Well he is a step up from you.....

Which isn't offensive to me at all because I hold Lai in very high esteem. I think you are insecure, bud.

lol no. But I expect as much from you.....

LJS being LJS everybody............................................................
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#33 THE_DRUGGIE
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[QUOTE="THE_DRUGGIE"]

[QUOTE="Fightingfan"] Observing religious people adopting religious views, thus being religious.Fightingfan

????

Who said I'm observing people?

Animals?

The sun, silly. I look at it every day!

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[QUOTE="Mithrandir50"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Mithrandir50"] Which isn't offensive to me at all because I hold Lai in very high esteem. I think you are insecure, bud.

lol no. But I expect as much from you.....

LJS being LJS everybody............................................................

brucewayne whining everybody...................
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[QUOTE="Mithrandir50"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] lol no. But I expect as much from you.....LJS9502_basic
LJS being LJS everybody............................................................

brucewayne whining everybody...................

Point_over_your_head.jpg

 

 Don't you have a family or something?  Go talk to them.

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Mithrandir50
Confused you are.....or maybe it's hard to hear over the sound of your delicious tears.
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#37 LJS9502_basic
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Just awhile go, the TC was arguing as an derpy athiest and now he's arguing as a derpy thiest. Stop feeding him, guys.

GreySeal9
Yeah it's a def troll thread.....best to move on.
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Just awhile go, the TC was arguing as an derpy athiest and now he's arguing as a derpy thiest. Stop feeding him, guys.

GreySeal9

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lmfao i love ot
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[QUOTE="Mithrandir50"]LJS9502_basic
Confused you are.....or maybe it's hard to hear over the sound of your delicious tears.

You are a crappy father
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Just awhile go, the TC was arguing as an derpy athiest and now he's arguing as a derpy thiest. Stop feeding him, guys.

GreySeal9
Shit, I fell for it.
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#42 Mithrandir50
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[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Just awhile go, the TC was arguing as an derpy athiest and now he's arguing as a derpy thiest. Stop feeding him, guys.

HoolaHoopMan
Shit, I fell for it.

Now that I think about it, MetalDog was atheist a while back, wasn't he? Damn. Oh well. Banjo alt confirmed
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Guys this is your test
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[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"][QUOTE="Mithrandir50"]

Just when I thought Metal Dog couldn't get any less intelligent...

Metal Dog.  You can have morals without religion.  Atheists have morals.  

To quote Lai, you are being both ignorant and irrational.

Mithrandir50
The atheist asserts that he or she has morals. Just ask them the basis for their morality and watch the silence enfold.

My basis for morals? An internal sense of right and wrong. My brain. I'd argue that some religious folk have less of a moral foundation than most atheists. Not even talking about the extremists. I'm talking about the oppression of homosexuals. Do you think it is right to think gays as sinners and abominations?

Well, here's what I think. I am not homophobic and I support gay marriage. However, hate the sin not the sinner. Think of a criminal. The criminal has the free will to commit the crime. He doesn't have to. I would never take away someone's free will. And so that's why I support gay marriage
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#45 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Mithrandir50"]Mithrandir50
Confused you are.....or maybe it's hard to hear over the sound of your delicious tears.

You are a crappy father

You're just crap.:)
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[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

Just awhile go, the TC was arguing as an derpy athiest and now he's arguing as a derpy thiest. Stop feeding him, guys.

Mithrandir50
Shit, I fell for it.

Now that I think about it, MetalDog was atheist a while back, wasn't he? Damn. Oh well. Banjo alt confirmed

Oh, I wasn't aware of that, the price of being on a post hiatus for almost a year.
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[QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Mithrandir50"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"] Confused you are.....or maybe it's hard to hear over the sound of your delicious tears.

You are a crappy father

You're just crap.:)

Yeah, let's look back as to why this argument is taking place. I quoted lai, and you needlessly flamed and insulted him. I defended him. Mmk, not seeing how I am crap.
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If you need God to tell you that murder is wrong, then you're the one with the problem. Not me.

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#49 LJS9502_basic
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[QUOTE="Mithrandir50"][QUOTE="LJS9502_basic"][QUOTE="Mithrandir50"] You are a crappy father

You're just crap.:)

Yeah, let's look back as to why this argument is taking place. I quoted lai, and you needlessly flamed and insulted him. I defended him. Mmk, not seeing how I am crap.

Oh well peek in your posting history....all accounts.
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the inherent anti-religious views of the worlds worst dictators have more to do with them not wanting those they wished to control placing higher importance on their religious institutions and their conflicting goals over those of their dictatorship, to the degree of using force to remove that influence, secularism separates religious institutions and their affairs from those of the government but supports the rights of individuals to participate in those institutions