The Anime haters are vocal minorities that can't accept the world's evolution

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#1  Edited By syncroniam
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The Anime Industry has become extremely huge now and as time moves on it is only growing even more and expands into the other industries as well and this is a well known fact. Anime and manga related media have become more mainstream than ever and have taken roots in the other sectors as well because they appeal to the majority and sell a lot, especially the gaming industry. All of the gaming genres nowadays have a big amount of iconic anime game series and more than half of the games released on Steam daily are all anime related in this timeline.

The anime and manga streaming sites now have literally hundreds of millions of viewers and as digital technology evolves further and anime media become more accessible the total audience multiplies by huge amounts with the new generations. Even the biggest celebrities of the world now such as Elon Musk and Ariana Grande are posting that they love anime and promote their favorite series on the social media along with investments to the industry and even Barack Obama, a president of the United States literally thanked Japan for anime and manga.

Those who still try to desperately hate anime are a vocal minority of outdated losers from previous generations that can't accept how the world is evolving and try to feed their insecurities by lying to themselves and they are in exactly the same minorities with the homophobic and racist people which also follow similar routines for their own fears but in the end their opinions mean nothing as the truth can't be altered. The world is changing and everyone has to adapt to the changes and in this case it is true that the Anime Industry is now in the center of attention due to the overwhelming success and popularity.

This is an exaple of Uchiage no Hanabi's official anime musical promotion reaching more than 250 Million views on Youtube which is higher than the entire western and live action movie industry trailers and there are various other cases as well, this has become very common and is normal nowadays with the growth of the Anime Industry.

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#2 X_Karen_x
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@syncroniam:

Uh, that just how it work. More popular something become it make for more people to not like it. Socials media just make it more easy for kid to voice it opinion.

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I'm also a minority because I haven't willingly listened to an Ariana Grande song, so I am OK with this.

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#4  Edited By Ezekiel43
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Anime USED to be cool. The style in that video is exactly why I stopped watching it. The lazy-ass animation throughout almost the whole medium and every generation didn't help either. Akira had so much more going on frame for frame, and it was all lip-synced, which is standard even for TV shows in America, but is barely done in anime.

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#5 Sevenizz
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Disco was big once too. Doesn’t mean it was ever good.

Anime is awful. It’s cheap, poorly drawn, and downright ugly to look at. I question the taste level of its fans.

Signed, Hater.

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#6 deactivated-5d78760d7d740
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I'm a fan of anime but to compare its detractors to homophobes and racists is quite extreme. A cultural shift has happened in the west to view animation as encompassing 'mature' content. The older generation is accustomed to animation for children (ex: cartoons and Disney) in my experience.

The same thing happened with video games. Heck, the perception of comic books by the general public was that they were a waste of time or for nerds. Now Marvel/DC movies are topping the box office. Times change and society isn't exempt from hypocrisy. I don't see that as a good or bad thing tbh.

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#7  Edited By uninspiredcup  Online
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@ezekiel43 said:

Anime USED to be cool. The style in that video is exactly why I stopped watching it. The lazy-ass animation throughout almost the whole medium and every generation didn't help either. Akira had so much more going on frame for frame, and it was all lip-synced, which is standard even for TV shows in America.

This was one of the major complaints with Super, it's animation was truly abysmal. We are talking teenager deviantart level.

Alot of it has to do with if it's a movie or series, who's on board doing the art, and what they are working from. Akira, much like the original Dragonball was working almost frame per frame from the original artist right from the opening shot.

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The difference in Broly compared to Super where it has direct involvement from Akira Toriyama is night and day compared to both the previous moves and TV show. Everything feels dynamic and expressive with a sense of impact.

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I haven't found a modern anime on the level of Neon Genesis Evangelion, GITS or Cowboy Bebop yet. Most anime these days seems like everything else on the market. It's almost like the people creating them aren't trying to be unique and original anymore, just create more of what the drooling masses want to see (i.e. big breasts and cutesy laughs).

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Anime is so broad these days that I'd say it's not a genre, it's a medium. There was a time when the types of stories that you could expect fell into a few specific archetypes like Speed Racer really old stuff, Giant Fighting Seizure Robots, Supernatural threat, Martial Arts, High School Love Triangle, or some combination of any two or three of those (I'm looking at you Evangelion). In more recent years the types of different stories you get in decent anime are all over the map, with some really creative ideas. Sometimes it's just a simple love story or by the numbers drama, other times it's high concept sci-fi, other times it's pure psychological thriller, and that's not even getting into all the amazing kids movies.

I think it's easy for people to dismiss anime as falling into familiar tropes that they might not enjoy, but considering just how much of it there is out there now I don't think that there would be many people who couldn't find even a single anime film or show that they might enjoy.

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#10  Edited By jaydan
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I don't hate on anime, I just don't care for it because the style and nuances that define such a tone simply do not interest or captivate me. I can never see myself going out of my way watching an anime series or reading manga simply because I got so many other things in my life that I'm more interested in and rather be doing.

You can argue anime is more popular than it's ever been, but it is still a very niche demographic - not so much by the majority population as you're claiming.

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#11  Edited By Jag85
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@jaydan: Anime is definitely mainstream, yet it's perceived as niche. In that regard, it's like comic books.

Most millennials have watched a mainstream anime, whether it's Pokemon, or DBZ, or Sailor Moon, or Ghibli/Miyazaki, etc. In fact, Pokemon is the world's biggest media franchise, and Dragon Ball is also one of the biggest media franchises in the world. And plenty of popstars are kind of weeb-ish (e.g. Ariana Grande, Katy Perry, Nicki Minaj, etc.). And a lot of other celebs and athletes are into anime.

But most people who may watch a mainstream anime, or grew up watching anime, wouldn't think of themselves as anime fans. When people think "anime fans", they think of stereotypical creepy weaboos/otakus who cosplay and have waifus and shit. So, if anything, a big reason for the hate against anime is the hardcore fanbase.

However, as has been mentioned above, anime used to be cool, back in the days when anime was actually niche. Stuff like Akira, Fist of the North Star, Ninja Scroll, Cowboy Bebop, and DBZ when it first hit Western shores, used to be cool and badass. But as anime became mainstream, the West began being exposed to a lot of the weirder and creepier aspects of hardcore anime fandom, which has tainted the mainstream perception of anime.

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#13  Edited By jaydan
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@Jag85: That's great and all - I don't deny anime's integration into pop-culture, but to be that core anime fan - or "weaboo/otaku" as you describe - it's still a niche thing.

The fandom behind most anime among mainstream crowds is merely circumstantial with it being anime, not that these people actually go out of their ways helping themselves to all the anime/manga offerings out there due to their obsessions of such a frontier in animation.

Most people can probably say they loved a Disney movie or two, but that does not mean everyone is obsessed everything Disney.

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@syncroniam: someone is insecure

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#15  Edited By Jag85
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@jaydan: That's my point. There is a big difference between casual mainstream anime viewers and hardcore niche anime fans. A casual anime viewer can be anyone, but hardcore anime fans are a niche.

That's why I compared it to comic books. Casual audiences routinely watch comic book movies, but people who are into the actual comic books are a small niche.

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#16  Edited By watercrack445
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Maybe, that's why the world is getting dumber. People trying to replicate comedic anime tropes and trying to become Naruto in real life. Japanese culture is so deep seeded in american culture that Japan can revive its Japanese empire and America won't bat it's eyelashes. Maybe, that is exactly Japan's plan. To bring back it's glorious empire back from the grave. xD

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#17  Edited By Valkeerie
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I think that anime is getting more reliable as a means for a studio to present its own ideas as a name instead of one person doing it by himself. Different than a director or an auteur working in tandem with a big producer, the people who write, draw and animate are also creative agents, who have to make it work as a team. You just need to replace a one man's big name with the studio's as an original series creator that happened to be in manga form. It's different than a writers' room serving them in average productions like Dragon Ball Super, which has its own manga as a last resort towards how the franchise began, depending on how big the author turned out to be compared to others still continuing their work.

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#18 sonicare
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I highly doubt anime lovers are in the majority of the world's population. It's like any other form of entertainment. It has its supporters and detractors. IF you like anime, then try to have enough self confidence to not be bothered by those that dont like it. Nut up.

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#19  Edited By Gaming-Planet
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Generation Zyklon is all into anime now and it's selling more than Marvel Comics.

How does that make you feel, plebs? Next stop is AnimeGate because of how popular it is now. Late millennials try to ruin everything and think they can save the world as they are working as a barista at Star Cucks making $15/hr at age 30.

TC is based and redpilled.

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#21  Edited By Jag85
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@watercrack445: There was a South Park episode in 1999, Chinpokomon, about Japan taking over America by brainwashing American kids with Pokemon... and they weren't wrong, now that Pokemon is the world's biggest media franchise.

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#22 sealionact
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Don't be silly. Anime is still a niche corner for weirdos.

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#23 with_teeth26
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there is something deep inside me that rejects Anime as a whole. its like a physical reaction in my core. I just can't do it.

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#24 Speeny
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I've been a fan of Anime for many many years now. Like you said it's really at it's peak right now. But, the content isn't as good as it used to be. That's for sure. A lot of it is the "Isekai" type stuff. (Trapped in another world.) Which is cool, but I only ever got into Sword Art Online & Re:Zero. I may find 2-3 shows each year that're interesting apart from watching regular on-going stuff like One Piece & Black Clover for the most part.

One Punch Man S2 will hopefully be worth the wait. MHA S4 looks good too.

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#25  Edited By Volsung
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Anime is mainly pretty weird and it's getting weirder remarkably. And if you don't believe me just look at the front pages of a anime website.

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@syncroniam: "Those who still try to desperately hate anime are a vocal minority of outdated losers from previous generations that can't accept how the world is evolving and try to feed their insecurities by lying to themselves and they are in exactly the same minorities with the homophobic and racist people which also follow similar routines for their own fears but in the end their opinions mean nothing as the truth can't be altered. The world is changing and everyone has to adapt to the changes and in this case it is true that the Anime Industry is now in the center of attention due to the overwhelming success and popularity."

Oh wow, you sound super insecure when you say that shit.

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@Gaming-Planet said:

Generation Zyklon is all into anime now and it's selling more than Marvel Comics.

How does that make you feel, plebs? Next stop is AnimeGate because of how popular it is now. Late millennials try to ruin everything and think they can save the world as they are working as a barista at Star Cucks making $15/hr at age 30.

TC is based and redpilled.

Generation Zyklon, redpilled, 'cuck'. More conspiracy laden alt-right shit posting.

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@speeny: Yeah, isekai (other world) shows are getting repetitive and boring. I loved SAO (but only the first season) and Re:Zero, but not any other isekai after that... until Shield Hero. That's a pretty interesting subversion of isekai, so I'd recommend checking that out.

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#29 Speeny
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@Jag85: Yeah Shield Hero does look interesting. I'm still waiting on Re:Zero season 2 tbh. Left us kind of on a cliffhanger. I loved SAO season 1 as well. Season 2 was pretty good also but this season 3 Alicization stuff I'm not really feeling. It's kind of gotten a little more complicated than it needs to be. Everything fell apart after Ordinal Scale I feel. lol

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#30  Edited By Jag85
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@speeny said:

@Jag85: Yeah Shield Hero does look interesting. I'm still waiting on Re:Zero season 2 tbh. Left us kind of on a cliffhanger. I loved SAO season 1 as well. Season 2 was pretty good also but this season 3 Alicization stuff I'm not really feeling. It's kind of gotten a little more complicated than it needs to be. Everything fell apart after Ordinal Scale I feel. lol

Sword Art Online is hit-and-miss for me. In the first season, I loved the SAO arc, but disliked the Alfheim Online arc. In the second season, I liked the Gun Gale Online arc, but not the other arcs after that. I liked the Ordinal Scale movie (the augmented reality thing gives it a Pokemon Go movie vibe), but haven't watched Alicization.

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@Jag85 said:

@watercrack445: There was a South Park episode in 1999, Chinpokomon, about Japan taking over America by brainwashing American kids with Pokemon... and they weren't wrong, now that Pokemon is the world's biggest media franchise.

We must destroy the Evil Power!

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#32 omegaMaster
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I think you need to calm down. People can dislike anime, but some don't realise that Pokemon, Dragonball, Yu-Gi-Oh, Beyblade, Sailor Moon are also anime that are considered a childhood favourite.

People can hate on whatever they want.

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#33 RondoStreetSavage
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Yikes you're so insecure it's funny.

I like anime too

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I only like the current mainstream once like attack on titan, one punch man, Mob psycho and my hero academia. Other than these I consider all the other amine that are coming out right now are trash.

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#35 Blackhairedhero
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I use to like it when I was younger but lost interest. Alot of it just doesn't look good.

I did however love the new Castlevania and Dragonball Super.

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#36 Raining51
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Or they just hate anime.

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@crimsonbrute said:
@Jag85 said:

@watercrack445: There was a South Park episode in 1999, Chinpokomon, about Japan taking over America by brainwashing American kids with Pokemon... and they weren't wrong, now that Pokemon is the world's biggest media franchise.

We must destroy the Evil Power!

At this rate, America may one day have a weeaboo president.

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@syncroniam: “the Anime Industry is now in the center of attention due to the overwhelming success and popularity”.

I thought, Donald Trump Presidency, the Russia investigation, Brexit, trade war between China and US, Middle East Peace and Israel occupation is the centre of attention.

...but for some anime is more important I guess

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@crimsonbrute said:
@Jag85 said:

@watercrack445: There was a South Park episode in 1999, Chinpokomon, about Japan taking over America by brainwashing American kids with Pokemon... and they weren't wrong, now that Pokemon is the world's biggest media franchise.

We must destroy the Evil Power!

We must stop this Pokemon madness, we must go to the roots and stop further re-population of Pokemon by catching 'em all!

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I don't hate anime. I just don't care much for them. To me, they're nothing but cartoons and some seem to have a problem with that.

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#41  Edited By uninspiredcup  Online
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@jun_aka_pekto said:

I don't hate anime. I just don't care much for them. To me, they're nothing but cartoons and some seem to have a problem with that.

What does that mean?

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#42  Edited By Jackamomo
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Best. Title. Ever.

Is a shame we don't see anything else coming out of Japan in terms of visual styles especially given their rich artistic heritage.

It is in line with Japanese Zen philosophy however, which is based on efficiency of form and line.

However, it is now nothing more than a tool for efficient profiteering with brands like Pokemon.

Removing superfluous aspects such as emotional range and facial complexity, even the noses are being removed now in favour of just eyes and mouth to denote emotion, which is condensing line to it's most minimal use and exaggerating sexual aspects of women and infantilising it's subjects and audience in a way which is starting to turn alot of people off.

A far cry from it's French routes.

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@mrbojangles25 said:

I'm also a minority because I haven't willingly listened to an Ariana Grande song, so I am OK with this.

You're a better person for it.

Also, anime is trash.

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#44 Jackamomo
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Is that Hayao Miyazaki?

@MonsieurX said:

Anime is French, Japanese and North American. No-one else seems to go for it but they are distinct.

The problem is just how much is being produced and I think it is because of the emerging Chinese market that almost every sing mobile mmo game is in the anime style that it is becoming really, really boring.

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@jackamomo: Yep.

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@MonsieurX: that's not a real quote is it?

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@jackamomo:

That's Hayao Miyazaki, but the quote is fake. He never said anything like that. He made some comments criticising the state of the modern anime industry, as well as criticizing Otaku. And then those comments were taken out-of-context and gave birth to the "anime was a mistake" meme. Something Miyazaki would never say, as he's dedicated most of his life to the anime art form, but he's just critical of certain trends in modern anime. Which is how a lot of old-school anime fans also feel about modern anime.

While the word "anime" can mean any animation in both French and Japanese, in the English language the word "anime" is almost exclusively used in reference to Japanese animation.

That Daft Punk music video is a clip from the anime movie Intersteller 5555. The story was written by Daft Punk, while the animation was handled by Japanese anime studio Toei Animation, in the style of classic '70s anime (such as Galaxy Express 999). Intersteller 5555 is a really good musical.

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#48  Edited By Jackamomo
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@Jag85: Discovery is regarded as a concept album. French comic form takes heavy influence from Japanese illustration styles but probably couldn't be called it's origin I admit.

Each track's music video is another segment from the film. Which is clearly a homage to Ulysses.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_(Daft_Punk_album)

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#49  Edited By Jag85
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@jackamomo:

Well yeah, Discovery was one of Daft Punk's biggest hit albums. Along with the album, they produced Intersteller 5555, a musical sci-fi anime movie, as a homage to anime shows of the '70s and '80s. They got Toei Animation as well as Leiji Matsumoto (creator of Galaxy Express 999), who they were a big fan of, to work on the animation for Intersteller 5555.

French comics have an independent origin, the traditional "bande dessinée" comics (e.g. Asterix). But due to the growing popularity of Japanese manga over the last few decades, French comics have become increasingly influenced by manga, e.g. the "manfra" and "la nouvelle manga" movements. As a result, there are a lot of similarities between French comics and Japanese manga. To an extent, manga has also influenced a lot of American comics in the last few decades, in a more subtle way.

As for Ulysses, it was a French-Japanese production, with the animation work done by Japanese anime studio TMS Entertainment. TMS also did the animation work for a lot of America's popular Saturday morning cartoons back in the '80s and '90s, e.g. DuckTales, Chip 'n Dale, Spider-Man, Batman, Animaniacs, etc. It was common back then for American studios to outsource animation work to Japanese anime studios like TMS and Toei. In other words, a lot of America's Saturday morning cartoons from the '80s and '90s could be considered "anime" in a sense. So it's ironic how often people distinguish between "cartoons" and "anime", when a lot of classic "cartoons" were animated by Japanese anime studios.

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#50  Edited By flam
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@MonsieurX Dude you can stop advertising your terrible game