@airshocker said:
@hailtothequeen said:
@airshocker said:
Yeah yeah, we're trying to hold down the black man. Shame on us.
Photo ID should be required to vote. If I have to shlep my way to fix my own problems, so can people without transportation. If I'm going to be miserable dealing with the government, everyone else can be too. Welcome to modern America.
What should be required is if you are going to create laws that make it more difficult for people to exercise their rights, then you need to PROVE there is a good reason for it. As I pointed out, you can't prove that voter fraud is a problem because the actual numbers don't support that position. That's just the reality of it.
The fact is that this has never been a requirement throughout our history and it hasn't affected a single election because the numbers just are not there.
All I said was voter fraud exists. It does, as you've just proven(though without any documentation I don't believe the number you just gave). I don't really care what prerequisites you think need to be met before action is taken, I simply think all people should have to show a photo ID when voting. Who knows if later on down the road the situation may become worse. I don't believe in being reactionary if it can be avoided.
And obviously this hasn't been a requirement throughout our history. Our earliest ancestors never had the DMV. If they did I think they would have saved us all the misery and killed off our species as a show of mercy.
Existing and being a problem are two different things. LOL Well, you don't have to believe me. Do the research yourself. Anytime you see someone talking about voter fraud, ask them for evidence that it is indeed a problem and I promise you every single time, they won't have anything. They will just point out a few cases here and there. They will never have any statistics that support the claim that it is a problem because they simply don't exist.
http://votingrights.news21.com/article/election-fraud/
http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/08/11/13236464-new-database-of-us-voter-fraud-finds-no-evidence-that-photo-id-laws-are-needed
Here is one straight from FOX NEWs since I'm sure you probably trust them. LOL If you want more, just google "voter fraud cases since 2000" and you will find plenty of different sources.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/09/24/voter-id-laws-target-rarely-occurring-voter-fraud/
There have only been 2000 alleged cases since 2000 and only about half of them turned out to be legit. And even then, the types of fraud mostly being committed would not even be affected by voter ID laws. LOL Most of the cases involve absentee ballots and voter registration. So yeah, this is a solution without a problem. Or as they said in the video, a solution to a DIFFERENT problem. ;O) Only a total of about 10 cases of in-person voter fraud (the kind that these laws would prevent) have been proven in court since the year 2000.
This is the REAL reason for voter ID laws: http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2012/jan/13/steny-hoyer/democratic-leaders-say-quarter-african-americans-d/
If you want to talk about real election fraud then lets talk about things like the Unconstitutional gerry-mandering that republicans got into some trouble for recently in Florida. They changed the districts to the point where their candidate had an unfair advantage until a judge stepped in and said this isn't happening. LOL Now THAT is a real problem and no one seems to care about that. Why is that i wonder? ;O)
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