Should we all strive to become vegetarians/vegans?

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#1 Posted by MetalDogGear (825 posts) -

Evolution has given us the ability to cast off the bloody chains of nature and to be better animals. We have the power to be kind to one another and I believe that this should apply to animals as well.

We've come to the point to where practically nobody has to eat meat to survive. Modern medicine and agricultural technologies have advanced to the point where we can all live as vegetarians/vegans and live healthier lives because of it.

And since we have this power, why shouldn't we?

I hear the same old excuses everytime:

"Meat tastes good"

- Wrong. Seasoning makes meat taste good. Try a hamburger without the salt and all that other junk.

"Animals eat other animals"

Some animals also eat their young. Should we eat our young as well? Obviously we are capable of being better than other animals.

But that's just my two cents.

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#2 Posted by DroidPhysX (17098 posts) -
no
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#3 Posted by cousin_eddy (74681 posts) -
Nah
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#4 Posted by zenogandia (861 posts) -

People can do whatever they want. I'm a vegetarian, but I won't force it down anyones throat. People like meat, so let them eat it.

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#5 Posted by thegerg (18279 posts) -
no
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#6 Posted by --Anna-- (4614 posts) -

No.

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#7 Posted by MetalDogGear (825 posts) -

People can do whatever they want. I'm a vegetarian, but I won't force it down anyones throat. People like meat, so let them eat it.

zenogandia

People can do whatever they want. I'm a vegetarian, but I won't force it down anyones throat. People like meat, so let them eat it.

zenogandia
Well the problem is about forsaking your own selfish wants for the sake of bettering the planet.
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#8 Posted by thegerg (18279 posts) -
[QUOTE="zenogandia"]

People can do whatever they want. I'm a vegetarian, but I won't force it down anyones throat. People like meat, so let them eat it.

MetalDogGear

People can do whatever they want. I'm a vegetarian, but I won't force it down anyones throat. People like meat, so let them eat it.

zenogandia
Well the problem is about forsaking your own selfish wants for the sake of bettering the planet.

Me eating meat is no more selfish than you being a vegan and you do no more to better the planer than I.
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#9 Posted by MetalDogGear (825 posts) -
[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="MetalDogGear"][QUOTE="zenogandia"]

People can do whatever they want. I'm a vegetarian, but I won't force it down anyones throat. People like meat, so let them eat it.

zenogandia
Well the problem is about forsaking your own selfish wants for the sake of bettering the planet.

Me eating meat is no more selfish than you being a vegan and you do no more to better the planer than I.

How so.
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#10 Posted by Shottayouth13- (7014 posts) -
No. Meat tastes nice.
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#11 Posted by ghoklebutter (19327 posts) -
I don't know if we should all become vegetarian, but I do think that we need to eat far less meat and stop treating animals like garbage in all of those nearly unregulated slaughterhouses and factory farms.
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#12 Posted by thegerg (18279 posts) -
[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"][QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="MetalDogGear"] Well the problem is about forsaking your own selfish wants for the sake of bettering the planet.

Me eating meat is no more selfish than you being a vegan and you do no more to better the planer than I.

How so.

You have to to explain how it is selfish, or how a change in my diet would batter the world. If you create a thread making such claims you need to support your claims before asking others to do the same.
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#13 Posted by Pirate700 (46465 posts) -

No we should not...

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#14 Posted by Ring_of_fire (15755 posts) -
No.
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#15 Posted by Hallenbeck77 (15267 posts) -

Yomanjdf? Is that you?

Are you trying to convert people to becoming vegans again?!

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#16 Posted by MetalDogGear (825 posts) -
[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="MetalDogGear"][QUOTE="thegerg"] Me eating meat is no more selfish than you being a vegan and you do no more to better the planer than I.

How so.

You have to to explain how it is selfish, or how a change in my diet would batter the world. If you create a thread making such claims you need to support your claims before asking others to do the same.

That's fair. We consume too much animals on a daily basis. There is the cruelty of animals and the needless slaughter. There is also a huge energy usage on meat production, along with greenhouse. Not to mention water contamination.
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#17 Posted by MetalDogGear (825 posts) -

Yomanjdf? Is that you?

Are you trying to convert people to becoming vegans again?!

Hallenbeck77
That's not me. And I'm not trying to convert people so much as I am just offering a different perspective I realize it'd be impossible to get people to stop eating meat.
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#18 Posted by Hallenbeck77 (15267 posts) -

[QUOTE="Hallenbeck77"]

Yomanjdf? Is that you?

Are you trying to convert people to becoming vegans again?!

MetalDogGear

That's not me. And I'm not trying to convert people so much as I am just offering a different perspective I realize it'd be impossible to get people to stop eating meat.

Relax...I'm just breaking balls, that's all. :P

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#19 Posted by thegerg (18279 posts) -
[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"][QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="MetalDogGear"] How so.

You have to to explain how it is selfish, or how a change in my diet would batter the world. If you create a thread making such claims you need to support your claims before asking others to do the same.

That's fair. We consume too much animals on a daily basis. There is the cruelty of animals and the needless slaughter. There is also a huge energy usage on meat production, along with greenhouse. Not to mention water contamination.

How do you qualify "too much"? Keep in mind that a vegan or vegetarian diet also necessitates the slaughter of animals. Millions of animals are killed every year by pesticides, farm equipment, farmers, trucks transporting food, and pollution caused by agricultural processes. Don't pretend like you're not to blame for needless slaughter, water contamination, and pollution as well.
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#20 Posted by ghoklebutter (19327 posts) -

How do you qualify "too much"? Keep in mind that a vegan or vegetarian diet also necessitates the slaughter of animals. Millions of animals are killed every year by pesticides, farm equipment, farmers, trucks transporting food, and pollution caused by agricultural processes. Don't pretend like you're not to blame for needless slaughter, water contamination, and pollution as well. thegerg

Quite a contradiction you have there.

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#21 Posted by insane_metalist (7781 posts) -

I think, each person should make their own decision. We shouldn't be forced to become something we don't want to be. I love me some STEAK! But most of all.. I love sea food more then anything! Although, my lady is a vegetarian and I respect that. I cook vegetarian meals for her all the time and she doesn't mind the fact that, I'm not a vegetarian.

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#22 Posted by MetalDogGear (825 posts) -

[QUOTE="MetalDogGear"][QUOTE="Hallenbeck77"]

Yomanjdf? Is that you?

Are you trying to convert people to becoming vegans again?!

Hallenbeck77

That's not me. And I'm not trying to convert people so much as I am just offering a different perspective I realize it'd be impossible to get people to stop eating meat.

Relax...I'm just breaking balls, that's all. :P

Ah ok. It's a good thing i've got balls of steel then.
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#23 Posted by thegerg (18279 posts) -

[QUOTE="thegerg"]How do you qualify "too much"? Keep in mind that a vegan or vegetarian diet also necessitates the slaughter of animals. Millions of animals are killed every year by pesticides, farm equipment, farmers, trucks transporting food, and pollution caused by agricultural processes. Don't pretend like you're not to blame for needless slaughter, water contamination, and pollution as well. ghoklebutter

Quite a contradiction you have there.

How is it a contradiction? In order to produce vegetables, fruits, and grains animals die. It's a fact.
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#24 Posted by nilzg (753 posts) -
why the fvck would we all be veggies?? we would have a world over population with animals and it would be against the law to drive them over :S and let alone all the **** that's on the streets and all that
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#25 Posted by ghoklebutter (19327 posts) -
[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="thegerg"]How do you qualify "too much"? Keep in mind that a vegan or vegetarian diet also necessitates the slaughter of animals. Millions of animals are killed every year by pesticides, farm equipment, farmers, trucks transporting food, and pollution caused by agricultural processes. Don't pretend like you're not to blame for needless slaughter, water contamination, and pollution as well. thegerg

Quite a contradiction you have there.

How is it a contradiction? In order to produce vegetables, fruits, and grains animals die. It's a fact.

You're saying in that post that such deaths are "needless".
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#26 Posted by ghoklebutter (19327 posts) -
why the fvck would we all be veggies?? we would have a world over population with animals and it would be against the law to drive them over :S and let alone all the **** that's on the streets and all thatnilzg
The consumption of meat is not the only means of animal population control.
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#27 Posted by thegerg (18279 posts) -
[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

Quite a contradiction you have there.

ghoklebutter
How is it a contradiction? In order to produce vegetables, fruits, and grains animals die. It's a fact.

You're saying in that post that such deaths are "needless".

They're only as needless as the deaths of animals to support my diet.
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#28 Posted by ghoklebutter (19327 posts) -
[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="thegerg"] How is it a contradiction? In order to produce vegetables, fruits, and grains animals die. It's a fact.

You're saying in that post that such deaths are "needless".

They're only as needless as the deaths of animals to support my diet.

Well, clearly vegetarianism implies far fewer animal deaths for the sake of supporting it.
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#29 Posted by jeremiah06 (7215 posts) -
Funny seeing this topic as I'm on day 1 of being a vegetarian...
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#30 Posted by ghoklebutter (19327 posts) -

Funny seeing this topic as I'm on day 1 of being a vegetarian...jeremiah06
How's it going so far? I find being vegetarian very easy, although I do eat meat these days.

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#31 Posted by thegerg (18279 posts) -
[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] You're saying in that post that such deaths are "needless".

They're only as needless as the deaths of animals to support my diet.

Well, clearly vegetarianism implies far fewer animal deaths for the sake of supporting it.

This is true, but how many needless deaths and how much slaughter is acceptable?
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#32 Posted by ghoklebutter (19327 posts) -
[QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="thegerg"] They're only as needless as the deaths of animals to support my diet.

Well, clearly vegetarianism implies far fewer animal deaths for the sake of supporting it.

This is true, but how many needless deaths and how much slaughter is acceptable?

As few as possible, by the TC's reasoning. Minimization is the name of the game here.
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#33 Posted by jeremiah06 (7215 posts) -

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"]Funny seeing this topic as I'm on day 1 of being a vegetarian...ghoklebutter

How's it going so far? I find being vegetarian very easy, although I do eat meat these days.

While I've enjoyed meat all my life my cravings are more geared towards snacks and soda... I'm dropping that stuff too... and you know what? I started this "trend" because of you...
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#34 Posted by CHOASXIII (14696 posts) -

I wonder why this topic keeps coming up on OT over and over.

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#35 Posted by AFBrat77 (26277 posts) -

no, however, as of Tuesday I apparently beat Cancer (Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma, Stage 2) as the PET scan revealed the Cancer is gone. So I'm apparently in complete remission, and if there is no relapse within a couple years, I can be considered cured. Chemotherapy is a b*tch though, and I didn't even have as bad side effects as some others have.

I have learned so much about the disease that my personal eating habits will be changed and headed more vegetarian, perhaps more organic. By the way people, Broccolli is among the most important vegetables you can eat to avoid Cancer. But so is eating fish (salmon, tuna, fish like that, not tilapia) several times a week.

I can't speak that other people should strive to become vegetarians, that is their choice.

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#36 Posted by thegerg (18279 posts) -
[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="thegerg"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] Well, clearly vegetarianism implies far fewer animal deaths for the sake of supporting it.

This is true, but how many needless deaths and how much slaughter is acceptable?

As few as possible, by the TC's reasoning. Minimization is the name of the game here.

If that's TC's reasoning then he should be eating nothing but mushrooms and plants that he finds growing in his back yard. Otherwise he's got to live with the fact that the production and transportation of his food causes so many deaths.
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#37 Posted by nilzg (753 posts) -
[QUOTE="nilzg"]why the fvck would we all be veggies?? we would have a world over population with animals and it would be against the law to drive them over :S and let alone all the **** that's on the streets and all thatghoklebutter
The consumption of meat is not the only means of animal population control.

to be clear I wasn't serious :P
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#38 Posted by Fightingfan (38011 posts) -
No because we would ultimately die from a lack of oxygen and an abundance on methane.
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#39 Posted by ghoklebutter (19327 posts) -
[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"]

[QUOTE="jeremiah06"]Funny seeing this topic as I'm on day 1 of being a vegetarian...jeremiah06

How's it going so far? I find being vegetarian very easy, although I do eat meat these days.

While I've enjoyed meat all my life my cravings are more geared towards snacks and soda... I'm dropping that stuff too... and you know what? I started this "trend" because of you...

Me? What did I do to convince you to do all of that? :S (Unless "you" is general)
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#40 Posted by jeremiah06 (7215 posts) -
[QUOTE="jeremiah06"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] How's it going so far? I find being vegetarian very easy, although I do eat meat these days.ghoklebutter
While I've enjoyed meat all my life my cravings are more geared towards snacks and soda... I'm dropping that stuff too... and you know what? I started this "trend" because of you...

Me? What did I do to convince you to do all of that? :S (Unless "you" is general)

Unless im mistaken you talked about loosing 166 pounds after becoming one...
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#41 Posted by dagreenfish (1818 posts) -
No.
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#42 Posted by ghoklebutter (19327 posts) -
[QUOTE="jeremiah06"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="jeremiah06"] While I've enjoyed meat all my life my cravings are more geared towards snacks and soda... I'm dropping that stuff too... and you know what? I started this "trend" because of you...

Me? What did I do to convince you to do all of that? :S (Unless "you" is general)

Unless im mistaken you talked about loosing 166 pounds after becoming one...

Oh, my. I didn't lose that much weight! I definitely lost a significant amount of weight, but not that much. I'd be dead if I lost that much. :P In any case, eating less meat or no meat at all is a great way to lose weight. Just make sure that you have plenty of healthy things to compensate for the lack of meat because vegetarians who replace meat with more junk food pretty much never lose weight.
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#43 Posted by jeremiah06 (7215 posts) -
[QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="jeremiah06"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"] Me? What did I do to convince you to do all of that? :S (Unless "you" is general)

Unless im mistaken you talked about loosing 166 pounds after becoming one...

Oh, my. I didn't lose that much weight! I definitely lost a significant amount of weight, but not that much. I'd be dead if I lost that much. :P In any case, eating less meat or no meat at all is a great way to lose weight. Just make sure that you have plenty of healthy things to compensate for the lack of meat because vegetarians who replace meat with more junk food pretty much never lose weight.

Yeah thats why im giving up soda and snacks...
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#44 Posted by ghoklebutter (19327 posts) -
[QUOTE="jeremiah06"][QUOTE="ghoklebutter"][QUOTE="jeremiah06"] Unless im mistaken you talked about loosing 166 pounds after becoming one...

Oh, my. I didn't lose that much weight! I definitely lost a significant amount of weight, but not that much. I'd be dead if I lost that much. :P In any case, eating less meat or no meat at all is a great way to lose weight. Just make sure that you have plenty of healthy things to compensate for the lack of meat because vegetarians who replace meat with more junk food pretty much never lose weight.

Yeah thats why im giving up soda and snacks...

Good on you. You should probably do it in smaller steps, though. Personally, I'd give up soda first and then unhealthy snacks.
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#45 Posted by CHOASXIII (14696 posts) -

Giving up soda? What world is this? D:

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#46 Posted by ghoklebutter (19327 posts) -

Giving up soda? What world is this? D:

CHOASXIII
I'll have you know that giving up soda, for some people, can lead to them losing all of their excess fat. I know a few people for whom that was, in fact, the case. It's certainly not easy, though.
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#47 Posted by CHOASXIII (14696 posts) -

[QUOTE="CHOASXIII"]

Giving up soda? What world is this? D:

ghoklebutter

I'll have you know that giving up soda, for some people, can lead to them losing all of their excess fat. I know a few people for whom that was, in fact, the case. It's certainly not easy, though.

Not surprised tbh.

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#48 Posted by lamprey263 (34425 posts) -
yes, but the transition should be made easier by vegetarian alternatives to normal diets that people can live with, who knows maybe they'll have some processed vegetable products that'll taste just like bacon and steak and chicken and all that and once that's done then maybe people will make the transition effortlessly, until then though no tofu hotdogs are crap
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#49 Posted by ghoklebutter (19327 posts) -
yes, but the transition should be made easier by vegetarian alternatives to normal diets that people can live with, who knows maybe they'll have some processed vegetable products that'll taste just like bacon and steak and chicken and all that and once that's done then maybe people will make the transition effortlessly, until then though no tofu hotdogs are craplamprey263
Tofu isn't the only possible meat substitute. There are all sorts of good faux meat products in health food stores. They already exist (even the processed vegetable foods you speak of).
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#50 Posted by MetalDogGear (825 posts) -

Alright, the stupid website wouldn't load for like an hour.

Obviously there are evils with every action. I don't deny the animals that lose their homes and get killed in the soy bean fields.

I don't deny the pollution that plant production produces.

These are all true.

However

We should minimalize our impact on nature. And veganism/vegetarianism is far less destructive than meat production.