Should Students be Held back? W/ Poll

In every school there are certain students who do not reach a certain standards and have to be held back a year in school. Do you think this is the right thing to do? Do you think that the kids will be negatively or positively affected?

I think kids should be held back. If a student cannot reach, let's say, a 50% average, they obviously do not know the material required and should be taught it again. I sure they might feel bad at first, but later on they might strive to be better to prove themselves. Although there are lots of people who are against holding kids back, I still think they should be held back.

What are your thoughts?

If they're stupid, you make them unstupid, if they're smart, let them be smarter.

No flaws in that logic, really, except some of the idiotic stuff they teach in schools nowadays. 

If they're stupid, you make them unstupid, if they're smart, let them be smarter.

No flaws in that logic, really, except some of the idiotic stuff they teach in schools nowadays.

Greatgone12

 Would making them repeat a year make them unstupid? Or would pushing them foward onto material they don't completely understand make them unstupid?

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If they're stupid, you make them unstupid, if they're smart, let them be smarter.

No flaws in that logic, really, except some of the idiotic stuff they teach in schools nowadays.

mindbender244

Would making them repeat a year make them unstupid? Or would pushing them foward onto material they don't completely understand make them unstupid?

If they're stupid, you make them unstupid, if they're smart, let them be smarter.

No flaws in that logic, really, except some of the idiotic stuff they teach in schools nowadays.

Greatgone12

Now,
If the person has failed all of his or her core subjects, (math social english science), then the person does not deserved to be moved on. If they get made fun of and made stupid, that is their OWN fault, because they were too dam lazy to study and such.
However,
If the person has passed all his or her core subjects, then they deserved to be moved on.
End of story.

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If they're stupid, you make them unstupid, if they're smart, let them be smarter.

No flaws in that logic, really, except some of the idiotic stuff they teach in schools nowadays.

Greatgone12

Would making them repeat a year make them unstupid? Or would pushing them foward onto material they don't completely understand make them unstupid?

theres more to life than that.

I agree mate, people should be held back. I mean do it situation by situation, but hold the majority of those who can't get that 50% average back. I have been a victim of the system in a sense, over dramatic I know, but I have lost months at a time where people who were slid through school spend months of the classes time trying to figure out what going on. And well thats not fair to say, it was the majority of the class that blew the other peoples time. Too many times I have had to sit through class during a review from the previous year 2 weeks into october. Now, I like others have not been given every possible second towards enhancing my eduation. Not to be all self-rightious or anything, but its not fair in any way.

Though, like I said do it case by case, no need to punish those who are speds and such, but hold the people back who just won't work, maybe it will be good incentive to do your work, the year your supposed to do it ...

I don't know ... 

let them pass if they fail.... schools are geting why to overcrowded....dorklance

And what will happen is that there will be more people unqualified to get well-paying jobs because they aren't smart enough.  More money needs to be put into schools so each child has the opportunity to succeed and graduate with knowledge instilled in them, not because there wasn't enough room for them.

Yes, if a child cannot meet academic standards, they need to be held back until they succesfully complete  their grade.  It isn't fair to them, and it isn't fair the rest of the class, along with the teachers who have to work harder to get them to understand 6th grade math when they couldn't complete 5th grade math.

[QUOTE="dorklance"]let them pass if they fail.... schools are geting why to overcrowded....JustPlainLucas

And what will happen is that there will be more people unqualified to get well-paying jobs because they aren't smart enough. More money needs to be put into schools so each child has the opportunity to succeed and graduate with knowledge instilled in them, not because there wasn't enough room for them.

Yes, if a child cannot meet academic standards, they need to be held back until they succesfully complete their grade. It isn't fair to them, and it isn't fair the rest of the class, along with the teachers who have to work harder to get them to understand 6th grade math when they couldn't complete 5th grade math.

It's only a matter of time before they won't be held back anymore.

Heck, did you know it's outlawed to write a kid's name on the board now? Apparently it means you're singling them out and breaking their self-esteem. 

Regardless, they should be. School should never be about how old you are, it should be about how much you've learned. 

It's only a matter of time before they won't be held back anymore.

Heck, did you know it's outlawed to write a kid's name on the board now? Apparently it means you're singling them out and breaking their self-esteem.

Regardless, they should be. School should never be about how old you are, it should be about how much you've learned.

AquaMantor

becouse if a kid is failing in high school...you know they dont care...they should not be able to cost a teachers job...no mater how hard the teacher try's to get the kids grades up. some people just dont care...about school or there future.

We discussed this in my educational psychology class. Honestly, it's more complicated that people might want to think about. Holding a kid back is no guarantee that they'll be able to comprehend the second time around, and pushing them forward is no guarantee that they'll be able to make up for whatever they didn't get before.

 And it's not always so simple as "hey he's lazy so he deserves to be held back and take the embarrassment." If it were that simple, I don't think there'd be as much conflict about it. Personally, I'm more in favor of summer school, extra tutoring, and just about anything else ahead of holding the kid back. It can do a lot of extra damage, deserved or not.

No. I think they should just be kicked out of school if they don't do well. That way, we won't run out of people with low education to do the jobs that us educated and rich people don't want to do.Denjin_hadouken

I think this is one of the major flaws in the American educational system, and it's starting to become an issue in Canada's as well.

Yes kids should be held back!  They failed their classes and should not be able to continue to the next level.  This is resulting in a dumbing down of much of the classes that kids are taking, in order for these kids that are getting pushed through to have some sort of a chance at comprehending more advanced material.  It's absolutely ridiculous!

And yes, for many people, much of what is learned in primary school will be pretty much useless.  However, learning that material allows people to have options upon graduation.  Sure if your life's ambition is to pump gas, you won't need to know most of that stuff.  But learning it opens the doors to whatever possibilities a person desires.  These kids that are getting pushed through are basically denied many options because they have not learned much of the material offered to them.  Holding them back gives them that opportunity, by showing them that if they want to succeed, they will have to put in the work for it.

I apologize for the length of that, but this really bothers me.

I think being held back is a good thing. If you were incapable of doing what you were meant to do in class the only thing is to  do it again or its going to end up like throwing a person into the deep end of the pool before they learn to swim.

People mentally mature at different rates, I think in general the whole class by age thing sucks, because of that fact. You should teach someone what their metal capable of learning. Therefore you can progress at a rate that suits you and don't have to go slow or too fast for what you can and can't handle.

I think holding kids back is generally bad but I really don't see much alternative.

First any kid that actually tries, dumb or not is not going to get held back.  So that means kids that get held back generally don't care about school in the first place, nor any consiquences of it.  Also my guess is that many kids that are held back are also disturbances in the classroom also.  They are going to hinder the learning of students no matter what level you put them at.  Schools need to start developing programs for these students that give them some motovation not to be career criminals, or leech of welfare for the next 30 odd years.

You could try some sort of summer boot camp for kids that would staighten a few out, or at least scare them enough to try hard so they wouldn't get stuck in it next year. 

I think being held back is a good thing. If you were incapable of doing what you were meant to do in class the only thing is to do it again or its going to end up like throwing a person into the deep end of the pool before they learn to swim.

fantasyfacade

I agree with that. I added a poll. Thanks for everyones responses. :) Does anyone else have anything else to say?

I was :(Guiltfeeder566

in fact i use to hate being in a sped class....but it made me work harder in school...and by high school my only sped class was study hall. but it did help. and if anyone makes fun of someone going to sped they can just go to hell...... 

Heck, did you know it's outlawed to write a kid's name on the board now? Apparently it means you're singling them out and breaking their self-esteem. 

AquaMantor

No. I think they should just be kicked out of school if they don't do well. That way, we won't run out of people with low education to do the jobs that us educated and rich people don't want to do.Denjin_hadouken

Agreed.