Shooting at Washington Navy Yard.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/police-search-for-active-shooter-on-grounds-of-washington-navy-yard-in-southeast-dc/2013/09/16/b1d72b9a-1ecb-11e3-b7d1-7153ad47b549_story.html

Ban all the guns we shall fightwith sticks and rocks!

If only the U.S. Navy had a gun; then this might never have happened.Makhaidos

I'm assuming a place like that has plenty of good guys with guns, yet people are still laying dead and injured, with a shooter on the rampage.Randolph

[QUOTE="Randolph"]I'm assuming a place like that has plenty of good guys with guns, yet people are still laying dead and injured, with a shooter on the rampage.Engrish_Major

gun free zones are killing zones

[QUOTE="Engrish_Major"][QUOTE="Randolph"]I'm assuming a place like that has plenty of good guys with guns, yet people are still laying dead and injured, with a shooter on the rampage.Randolph

If he's a marine there is a good chance. If he's just some random guy then the chances are pretty unlikely.

Naval yards have armed security checkpoints and are very tightly controlled. They'll have to investigate how he could get a gun inside of a place like this.

Anyways the shooter is down. Sounds like a bit more than just a random act of violence. A person doesn't just bring a gun into a place like this.

If he's a marine there is a good chance. If he's just some random guy then the chances are pretty unlikely.

Naval yards have armed security checkpoints and are very tightly controlled. They'll have to investigate how he could get a gun inside of a place like this.

Anyways the shooter is down. Sounds like a bit more than just a random act of violence. A person doesn't just bring a gun into a place like this.

Wasdie

So I'm guessing we won't be able to go amonth without a shooting event in this country. 

I wonder how upset the NRA with the shooters, who are easily prepetuating the anti-gun feeling in this country. The NRA certainly can't argue that more guns could have solved this one. 

Ultimately, the media blitzes that go along with these events are what makes them keep occuring. I'm sure not all shooters want their 15 minutes of fame, but I'm sure some do.

[QUOTE="Wasdie"]

If he's a marine there is a good chance. If he's just some random guy then the chances are pretty unlikely.

Naval yards have armed security checkpoints and are very tightly controlled. They'll have to investigate how he could get a gun inside of a place like this.

Anyways the shooter is down. Sounds like a bit more than just a random act of violence. A person doesn't just bring a gun into a place like this.

Engrish_Major

Everything is unconfirmed. One source is saying that the shooter had a double barreled shotgun and was targeting specific people. Aimed first for the base officer. Could have more weapons on him. Certainly doesn't seem like a random act of violence.

I'm assuming a place like that has plenty of good guys with guns, yet people are still laying dead and injured, with a shooter on the rampage.Randolph

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So I'm guessing we won't be able to go amonth without a shooting event in this country. 

I wonder how upset the NRA with the shooters, who are easily prepetuating the anti-gun feeling in this country. The NRA certainly can't argue that more guns could have solved this one. 

Ultimately, the media blitzes that go along with these events are what makes them keep occuring. I'm sure not all shooters want their 15 minutes of fame, but I'm sure some do.

jimkabrhel

Another day another shooting.  Murder, among other things, is what happens when people don't have a strong moral foundation.  Where do people get strong moral foundations in modern society?  Family and Church, both of which have been attacked by government.

Another day another shooting.  Murder, among other things, is what happens when people don't have a strong moral foundation.  Where do people get strong moral foundations in modern society?  Family and Church, both of which have been attacked by government.

hoola

:roll:

Another day another shooting.  Murder, among other things, is what happens when people don't have a strong moral foundation.  Where do people get strong moral foundations in modern society?  Family and Church, both of which have been attacked by government.

hoola

[QUOTE="hoola"]

Another day another shooting.  Murder, among other things, is what happens when people don't have a strong moral foundation.  Where do people get strong moral foundations in modern society?  Family and Church, both of which have been attacked by government.

jimkabrhel

:roll:

These people obviously think murdering innocent people is ok.  You have to question why that is, otherwise you aren't going to know why they were capable of doing it.  And I don't necessarily buy the mental illness excuse.  There are millions and millions of people with mental problems who are fine and wouldn't hurt a fly, so why do some become violent?  Once again I get back to family and church (I'm viewing the church as more of a community rather than a religion).  

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="hoola"]

Another day another shooting.  Murder, among other things, is what happens when people don't have a strong moral foundation.  Where do people get strong moral foundations in modern society?  Family and Church, both of which have been attacked by government.

hoola

:roll:

These people obviously think murdering innocent people is ok.  You have to question why that is, otherwise you aren't going to know why they were capable of doing it.  And I don't necessarily buy the mental illness excuse.  There are millions and millions of people with mental problems who are fine and wouldn't hurt a fly, so why do some become violent?  Once again I get back to family and church (I'm viewing the church as more of a community rather than a religion).  

Religion doesn't have a monopoly on community and morals. In fact, religion often gives the potential shooter the "moral obligation" to commit the act, based on word-for-word reading of scripture etc.

You have a valid point: family and community are being pushed by the wayside in our ever increasingly fast-paced culture, based too much on technology. But the government isn't to blame, not by attacking church, nor by attacking family.

The worst offender is our entire culture's refusal to fix the one thing that could help: education.

[QUOTE="hoola"]

Another day another shooting.  Murder, among other things, is what happens when people don't have a strong moral foundation.  Where do people get strong moral foundations in modern society?  Family and Church, both of which have been attacked by government.

HoolaHoopMan

Being surrounded by people who all behave similarly and have similar morals can affect someones behavior.  Are you suggesting otherwise?  

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="hoola"]

Another day another shooting.  Murder, among other things, is what happens when people don't have a strong moral foundation.  Where do people get strong moral foundations in modern society?  Family and Church, both of which have been attacked by government.

hoola

Being surrounded by people who all behave similarly and have similar morals can affect someones behavior.  Are you suggesting otherwise?  

Suggesting that people need more church in order to avoid events like these?  Its absurd. 

[QUOTE="HoolaHoopMan"][QUOTE="hoola"]

Another day another shooting.  Murder, among other things, is what happens when people don't have a strong moral foundation.  Where do people get strong moral foundations in modern society?  Family and Church, both of which have been attacked by government.

hoola

Being surrounded by people who all behave similarly and have similar morals can affect someones behavior.  Are you suggesting otherwise?  

[QUOTE="hoola"]

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

:roll:

jimkabrhel

These people obviously think murdering innocent people is ok.  You have to question why that is, otherwise you aren't going to know why they were capable of doing it.  And I don't necessarily buy the mental illness excuse.  There are millions and millions of people with mental problems who are fine and wouldn't hurt a fly, so why do some become violent?  Once again I get back to family and church (I'm viewing the church as more of a community rather than a religion).  

Religion doesn't have a monopoly on community and morals. In fact, religion often gives the potential shooter the "moral obligation" to commit the act, based on word-for-word reading of scripture etc.

You have a valid point: family and community are being pushed by the wayside in our ever increasingly fast-paced culture, based too much on technology. But the government isn't to blame, not by attacking church, nor by attacking family.

The worst offender is our entire culture's refusal to fix the one thing that could help: education.

Although I understand the "moral obligation" argument, I believe peopel are far more likely to be involved immoral acts (like this) if they are distanced from the church (billions of religious people, maybe a few thousand who are willing to murder for it).

Regarding education, I don't really agree.  We are basically forced to go to school for a decade or longer and I don't see how improving that education is going to make someone a more moral person.  In fact, schools are often used as recruiting grounds for gangs (although it doesn't sound so far like gangs were the murderers in this situation).  We go to school to learn facts, not what right and wrong are.  Right and wrong are what determine whether someone will be a criminal or not and those two things are taught by church and family.  In school, right and wrong are not taught so right and wrong become irrevelant.  It becomes a matter of want vs ability.  

Most likely other influences on these people overrode what they may have been taught as a child.

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lol at "whars the good guy with a gun?"

if you take a tragedy and politicize it for your own advantage you are an asshole.

right now you can go on tv and the internet and watch who is doing this for a 100% effective asshole barometer.

Has CNN already started do their sensationalist "analysis" yet?

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="hoola"]

These people obviously think murdering innocent people is ok.  You have to question why that is, otherwise you aren't going to know why they were capable of doing it.  And I don't necessarily buy the mental illness excuse.  There are millions and millions of people with mental problems who are fine and wouldn't hurt a fly, so why do some become violent?  Once again I get back to family and church (I'm viewing the church as more of a community rather than a religion).  

hoola

Religion doesn't have a monopoly on community and morals. In fact, religion often gives the potential shooter the "moral obligation" to commit the act, based on word-for-word reading of scripture etc.

You have a valid point: family and community are being pushed by the wayside in our ever increasingly fast-paced culture, based too much on technology. But the government isn't to blame, not by attacking church, nor by attacking family.

The worst offender is our entire culture's refusal to fix the one thing that could help: education.

Although I understand the "moral obligation" argument, I believe peopel are far more likely to be involved immoral acts (like this) if they are distanced from the church (billions of religious people, maybe a few thousand who are willing to murder for it).

Regarding education, I don't really agree.  We are basically forced to go to school for a decade or longer and I don't see how improving that education is going to make someone a more moral person.  In fact, schools are often used as recruiting grounds for gangs (although it doesn't sound so far like gangs were the murderers in this situation).  We go to school to learn facts, not what right and wrong are.  Right and wrong are what determine whether someone will be a criminal or not and those two things are taught by church and family.  In school, right and wrong are not taught so right and wrong become irrevelant.  It becomes a matter of want vs ability.  

Most likely other influences on these people overrode what they may have been taught as a child.

You are mistaken in your assumption that when I say "Education", I necessarily mean school. Schools are part of it, and a good education that included politics, ethics and history SHOULD teach students what is write and what is wrong. In addition, it's a responsibility of parents to instill understanding of right and wrong in children, not to place them in front of a TV.

Churches can offer community and morals to a point, but there is also a lot of hate that gets spewed by fanatic sects and church leaders who want a theocracy, rather than a secular government.

There are millions and millions of people with mental problems who are fine and wouldn't hurt a fly, so why do some become violent?  hoola

[QUOTE="jimkabrhel"]

[QUOTE="hoola"]

Another day another shooting.  Murder, among other things, is what happens when people don't have a strong moral foundation.  Where do people get strong moral foundations in modern society?  Family and Church, both of which have been attacked by government.

hoola

:roll:

These people obviously think murdering innocent people is ok.  You have to question why that is, otherwise you aren't going to know why they were capable of doing it.  And I don't necessarily buy the mental illness excuse.  There are millions and millions of people with mental problems who are fine and wouldn't hurt a fly, so why do some become violent?  Once again I get back to family and church (I'm viewing the church as more of a community rather than a religion).  

BRING ON THE TIN FOIL HATS.

Has CNN already started do their sensationalist "analysis" yet?

nomsayin

No, but Fox News has. They're already blaming Obama.

He almost makes up for the innocent lives you take around the world.......... or not even close!

Good for him!   Going out with a bang!

[QUOTE="nomsayin"]

Has CNN already started do their sensationalist "analysis" yet?

Netherscourge

No, but Fox News has. They're already blaming Obama.

Not shocking in the least.

Although I understand the "moral obligation" argument, I believe peopel are far more likely to be involved immoral acts (like this) if they are distanced from the churchhoola

[QUOTE="hoola"]Although I understand the "moral obligation" argument, I believe peopel are far more likely to be involved immoral acts (like this) if they are distanced from the churchRandolph

I love how the media  always wants to paint the portrait of these shooters as "quiet" "geeky" "loner" "played video games" etc. 

I love how the media  always wants to paint the portrait of these shooters as "quiet" "geeky" "loner" "played video games" etc. 

lostfan132

i am shocked by this news we need to fix our gun laws

i am shocked by this news we need to fix our gun laws

liberalus