Ron Paul could have won this election.....

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] lolque

I remember watching I Am Legend too.

-Sun_Tzu-

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] If vaccinations are mandatory, then all it takes it one bad vaccination to screw over an entire generation of Americans.kingkong0124

I remember watching I Am Legend too.

[QUOTE="kingkong0124"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] lolque

I remember watching I Am Legend too.

Abbeten

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] If vaccinations are mandatory, then all it takes it one bad vaccination to screw over an entire generation of Americans.Laihendi

I remember watching I Am Legend too.

I think you really need to think a little deeper about your ideology when it would cause cancer and kill children with no discernible benefit.

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] This quote chain started with me and TopTierHustler talking about mandatory vaccinations.Laihendi

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] lolque

I remember watching I Am Legend too.

MakeMeaSammitch

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"] That is much different than the government putting things in your body. MakeMeaSammitch

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Nice appeal to ridicule bruh. State-mandated medication is a dangerous thing. Do you remember the Tuskegee syphilis experiment? I don't trust the government with putting things in my body.Laihendi

I'm sorry General Jack Ripper but there isn't anything wrong with the flouride in your water.

[QUOTE="mingmao3046"][QUOTE="Barbariser"]

Nobody with half a brain would care about your stupid appeals to emotion when deciding policies like these, so don't bother typing them. Vaccination works best when done en masse, since it severely curbs the ability of infectious diseases to spread. It's far more convenient and efficient for people to be vaccinated at their infancy than to make it voluntary and hope that parents will be willing and knowledgable enough to immunize their kids.

We know that some parents are stupid and are convinced that vaccines can give people autism and that this risk outweighs the fact that your kid has a much lower chance of being killed by tetanus. Knowing this, why should we not take as many steps as possible to prevent kids from dying due to vaccine-preventing diseases? Would you rather that idiot parents be allowed to needlessly expose and risk their children?

Barbariser

Why the f*ck not? The government can force me not to kill other people or steal from them, why shouldn't it be able to force parents to make sure their children are immune to tetanus? You have offered nothing to suggest that mandatory vaccination is a bad thing except some arbtitrary moral axioms from your idealogy, and if your idealogy will result in children dying due to a lack of immunity to easily preventable diseases then what merit does it have for human society?

Quoted for fvcking truth. The bolded portion totally blows a hole in Libertarian ideology.

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]I have never suggested that a country shouldn't have a military force. Using force to collect money to fund the military does nothing to protect rights. For such an act to occur, there can be no legally recognized property rights among private citizens, as the government (and only the government) has the legal right to take whatever it wants from whoever it wants. In such a situation, property for private citizens in merely a privilege rather than a right. Something cannot protect people's rights if it necessitates there being no rights to protect.Laihendi

LOL! Are you fvcking crazy? Who the hell is going to pay taxes voluntarily? :?

[QUOTE="-Sun_Tzu-"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] Please explain how government mandated vaccinations is different from the government putting things in your body.Laihendi

Parents can be prosecuted for knowingly letting children die/be permanently disabled from treatable diseases, i.e. the government already forces you to put things in your body when necessary by your definition. This is no different, and parents should be prosecuted if their children die or are permanantly disabled because they did not get them vaccinated.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="kingkong0124"] that movie was overrated.Aljosa23

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="Laihendi"]I have never suggested that a country shouldn't have a military force. Using force to collect money to fund the military does nothing to protect rights. For such an act to occur, there can be no legally recognized property rights among private citizens, as the government (and only the government) has the legal right to take whatever it wants from whoever it wants. In such a situation, property for private citizens in merely a privilege rather than a right. Something cannot protect people's rights if it necessitates there being no rights to protect.Laihendi

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] Please explain how government mandated vaccinations is different from the government putting things in your body.Laihendi

And they've put some other things in my body as well, such as fluoride. I'm not denying that many vaccinations are beneficial. What I'm saying is that it's dangerous to give the government the power to put whatever it wants in your body, because that gives them the opportunity to abuse that power and cause a lot of harm (fluoride).Laihendi

Your logic is silly if there's no modern precedent, vaccines prevent disease, and nothing more. You're going into conspiracy theorist territory if you think otherwise, or suggest that other things are going on.

If the government creates a law stating that everyone is required to receive specific vaccinations, then the government is controlling what goes into people's bodies. This mentioning of the private sector is laughable. The government is forcing everyone to engage in specific services of their choosing with the private sector, and through the FDA controls what services the private sector even offers in matters of vaccinations.Laihendi

In fact, they've cured a type of cancer with a vaccine ron paul opposed.

I Am Legend was okay.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] So how do you propose to fund the military without taxes?GreySeal9

LOL! Are you fvcking crazy? Who the hell is going to pay taxes voluntarily? :?

I Am Legend was okay.

coolbeans90

[QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I Am Legend was okay.

nocoolnamejim

[QUOTE="nocoolnamejim"][QUOTE="coolbeans90"]

I Am Legend was okay.

chessmaster1989

Loved how he was going crazy.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] So how do you propose to fund the military without taxes?GreySeal9

LOL! Are you fvcking crazy? Who the hell is going to pay taxes voluntarily? :?

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] So how do you propose to fund the military without taxes?Abbeten

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] You deny the benefits of citizenship to anyone who refuses to pay taxes. Just to clarify, I advocate voluntary taxation, not ending taxation.

Laihendi

LOL! Are you fvcking crazy? Who the hell is going to pay taxes voluntarily? :?

Study history....

Property rights would have a bit of a problem existing without, to some extent, forcibly removing property via taxation. Without a p. powerful institutionalized means of protecting property, property isn't protected beyond one's ability to procure its protection - which is substantially less than what is provided via a stable central government, which won't meaningfully exist without taxation.

[QUOTE="Abbeten"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] You deny the benefits of citizenship to anyone who refuses to pay taxes. Just to clarify, I advocate voluntary taxation, not ending taxation.Laihendi

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

[QUOTE="GreySeal9"]

LOL! Are you fvcking crazy? Who the hell is going to pay taxes voluntarily? :?

MakeMeaSammitch

Study history....

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]People who want to vote, have the government enforce their legal contracts, etc.

Laihendi

Study history....

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]They tried that before....it kept poor, mainly black people, from voting.

Study history....

chessmaster1989

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] When has voluntary taxation been tried in the US?Laihendi

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"][QUOTE="Laihendi"] When has voluntary taxation been tried in the US?Laihendi

You really need to do some reading. Honestly, half the crap you say is embarrassing.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] Taxation is voluntary in the sense you've been advocating it. Anyone who wants to can renounce their citizenship, leave the country, and not pay taxes.MakeMeaSammitch

You really need to do some reading. Honestly, half the crap you say is embarrassing.

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]That is not what I'm advocating at all. The government (along with everyone else) has no right to anything acquired through coercion, which means the government has no right to land, and it has no right to expel people from their own land for refusing to pay the government taxes on it.

Laihendi

You really need to do some reading. Honestly, half the crap you say is embarrassing.

god damn you're stupid.

Lalhendi: Prove that anyone has a right to or against anything.

I mean, as long as we are talking about absolutes rights are here, we need to establish what those rights are. Do rights actually exist? How do they exist? What makes them? Do they conflict with other rights, or is there an order of prioritization?

Plz do not give me atheistic religion.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"]

[QUOTE="chessmaster1989"] Taxation is voluntary in the sense you've been advocating it. Anyone who wants to can renounce their citizenship, leave the country, and not pay taxes.chessmaster1989

A stateless court room.

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="Abbeten"] and this doesn't seem a little...internally inconsistent to you?Abbeten

[QUOTE="Laihendi"][QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]It has the right to tax. It's called the 16th amendment, so legally you have to pay taxes.

You really need to do some reading. Honestly, half the crap you say is embarrassing.

MakeMeaSammitch

god damn you're stupid.

So, we have now established that rights, including property rights, are a pragmatic means to an end - on which I definitely agree with property rights.

Excellent.

We can now drop the absolutism.

[QUOTE="MakeMeaSammitch"]

[QUOTE="Laihendi"] :lol: Something isn't a right just because the government says it's legal. Remember antebellum slavery? Rights don't come from government; government can only be justified as a tool for protecting rights that already exist.Laihendi

god damn you're stupid.

So, we have now established that rights, including property rights, are a pragmatic means to an end - on which I definitely agree with property rights.

Excellent.

We can now drop the absolutism.

coolbeans90