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No, it doesn't. Dark brown skin == dark brown skin... it's a f***ing description, not a racial identity.[QUOTE="King-Kai"]Considering the fact that Suzzane Collins - the author of the books - is American, and the fact that Blacks have a historical presence in America, it is safe to assume that the characters are intended to be Black, not indian. In America, dark brown skin == Black.OrkHammer007
Quick: which of these people has dark brown skin:
...hint: it's NOT the black person.
Halle Berry is half White. So, she doesn't count. Also, What I meant was that considering the historical presence of Blacks in America, when an American person reads adescription which uses terms like dark skin, they are more likely to thinik of a Black person than any sort of other dark skinned person.
No, it doesn't. Dark brown skin == dark brown skin... it's a f***ing description, not a racial identity.[QUOTE="OrkHammer007"]
[QUOTE="King-Kai"]Considering the fact that Suzzane Collins - the author of the books - is American, and the fact that Blacks have a historical presence in America, it is safe to assume that the characters are intended to be Black, not indian. In America, dark brown skin == Black.King-Kai
Quick: which of these people has dark brown skin:
...hint: it's NOT the black person.
Halle Berry is half White. So, she doesn't count. Also, What I meant was that considering the historical presence of Blacks in America, when an American person reads adescription which uses terms like dark skin, they are more likely to thinik of a Black person than any sort of other dark skinned person.
It would make more sense to picture a Native American.1.) Halle Berry is half White. So, she doesn't count. Also, What I meant was that considering the historical presence of Blacks in America, when an American person reads adescription which uses terms like dark skin, they are more likely to thinik of a Black person than any sort of other dark skinned person.King-Kai1.) According to who, you? I'm sure Ms. Berry would love to hear you dismiss her racial make-up out of f***ing hand like that.
2.) As an American, I'm extremely offended by your assumption. When I see "dark skin" or "dark brown skin," the last thing I'm thinking is "is this guy of African descent." I'm thinking, "This guy has brown/dark brown skin." I actually envisioned Rue as being Native American, simply because the story takes place in North America. Go figure.
You're making assumptions you can't prove, and dismissing evidence simply because it doesn't fit your view. Again... I believe you're a bit racist and don't want to admit it.
ITT: Idiots who argue semantics about skin color rather than addressing the issue that these people are claiming a movie was ruined because of the casting of a certain ethnicity that is accurate to the description of the character in the book.Ace6301How about reading the entire f***ing argument before resorting to name-calling? My points are absolutely legitimate, and I still believe the TC is racist for freezing out other dark-skinned ethnicities in favor of his own in regards to the description in the book.
I would of thought Hunger Game fans would be similar to that old Twilight craze fans, nuggets.shadowkiller11It's more gender neutral, there are fangirls, but a lot of guys like it too, including me.
How about reading the entire f***ing argument before resorting to name-calling? My points are absolutely legitimate, and I still believe the TC is racist for freezing out other dark-skinned ethnicities in favor of his own in regards to the description in the book. Now, now, I called both of you idiots.[QUOTE="Ace6301"]ITT: Idiots who argue semantics about skin color rather than addressing the issue that these people are claiming a movie was ruined because of the casting of a certain ethnicity that is accurate to the description of the character in the book.OrkHammer007
[QUOTE="MgamerBD"][QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]You will be alright...its here and its not going anywhere soon sadly. Like I said much like politics the word now means something different. Time changes things...if a person has a problem with it they don't have to say it. He is saying everything your forefathers went through and every race card an african american pulls now is pointless. To take such insults and turn them into a title of endearment is beyond stupidity. Just because we can choose how we want to respond to an external stimulus doesn't mean that said stimulus doesn't pack a punch. I think it's really cute how you guys made the word your own and all but words dont change meaning. Enough said. You can say it is a slang word now but it holds the same meaning it did then and will not change. You cannot just drop the historical baggage one moment and then bring it up when it suits you. The notion that it's acceptable for african americans to refer to each other using the n-word while considering it racist for others to use sets up a clear double standard And the fact that african americans can call white people crackers and we can't call you the N word is again a double standard and shows no respect for us or yourselves. To me, the notion that one ethnic group has property rights to a term is a reductio ad absurdum argument, since language is a public enterprise. Most of the inner city african americans I deal with are more racist then most white people. Sometimes I think everyone would be happy if african americans would of stayed oppressed. Would sure give peoples bitc*ing more weight. What's needed here is a history lesson. Reclaiming racist words like the n-word doesn't eliminate its ugly historical baggage - or the power dynamics between whites and blacks in this country. All it does is paper over the past, pretending that we can overlook the historical injustice of slavery. It numbs Americans to the use and abuse of power in this country - undermining the daily struggle of those Americans who daily endeavor to improve race relations. inb4 im called a bigot.Not really. Its a hateful word and black people more than anyone should know better. Doesnt matter about the context. Even if its just a friendly greeting. Just seems an utter spit on the face of the forefathers of these people who fought for civil rights and had to go through all that stuff.
Embarrasses me really when i here.
Hubadubalubahu
I didn't read it because I know what my forefathers fought for. I just don't get butthurt over my own people saying it. And honestly you only live once, no reason to let a single word bother me so much...
Why do people hate Blacks so much? Discuss.King-KaiPeople are mad that Tom Cruise is playing Jack Reacher, a man depicted as physically imposing in the books, in the upcoming movie. WHY DO PEOPLE HATE WHITES SO MUCH!? You're either a complete and utter bottom-feeder or I have been trolled.
[QUOTE="MgamerBD"][QUOTE="Ilovegames1992"]You will be alright...its here and its not going anywhere soon sadly. Like I said much like politics the word now means something different. Time changes things...if a person has a problem with it they don't have to say it. He is saying everything your forefathers went through and every race card an african american pulls now is pointless. To take such insults and turn them into a title of endearment is beyond stupidity. Just because we can choose how we want to respond to an external stimulus doesn't mean that said stimulus doesn't pack a punch. I think it's really cute how you guys made the word your own and all but words dont change meaning. Enough said. You can say it is a slang word now but it holds the same meaning it did then and will not change. You cannot just drop the historical baggage one moment and then bring it up when it suits you. The notion that it's acceptable for african americans to refer to each other using the n-word while considering it racist for others to use sets up a clear double standard And the fact that african americans can call white people crackers and we can't call you the N word is again a double standard and shows no respect for us or yourselves. To me, the notion that one ethnic group has property rights to a term is a reductio ad absurdum argument, since language is a public enterprise. Most of the inner city african americans I deal with are more racist then most white people. Sometimes I think everyone would be happy if african americans would of stayed oppressed. Would sure give peoples bitc*ing more weight. What's needed here is a history lesson. Reclaiming racist words like the n-word doesn't eliminate its ugly historical baggage - or the power dynamics between whites and blacks in this country. All it does is paper over the past, pretending that we can overlook the historical injustice of slavery. It numbs Americans to the use and abuse of power in this country - undermining the daily struggle of those Americans who daily endeavor to improve race relations. inb4 im called a bigot.Not really. Its a hateful word and black people more than anyone should know better. Doesnt matter about the context. Even if its just a friendly greeting. Just seems an utter spit on the face of the forefathers of these people who fought for civil rights and had to go through all that stuff.
Embarrasses me really when i here.
Hubadubalubahu
Since when?I think you have comedians confused with regular black people
[QUOTE="Hubadubalubahu"]Merely pointing out a double standard. And yes it is still used as an insult. Also if that is all you took in out of that I worry about you.Bucked20Im pretty sure a black person never came up to you and said,excuse me cracker whats the time :roll:
"Michael Jackson eating popcorn gif "infinite884Michael Jackson in that gif is clearly preferring the perfectly white popcorn at the top of the box as opposed to the burnt black ones down at the bottom. WHY DOES MICHAEL JACKSON HATE BLACK POPCORN!?
[QUOTE="Hubadubalubahu"]Merely pointing out a double standard. And yes it is still used as an insult. Also if that is all you took in out of that I worry about you.Bucked20Im pretty sure a black person never came up to you and said,excuse me cracker whats the time Nope can't say they have, it's completely out of context for a derogatory term. Argue well if you want to argue pointlessly. Once again you choose to focus on a very insignificant thing and completley overlook what I was saying as a whole. Im sorry you cant come up with any sort of intelligence to actually debate but if you want to keep nitpicking on a word you for some reason dont believe exists go for it.
It doesn't matter if they could be portrayed as other races with dark brown skin. The issue is that having black actors is certainly apt considering the descriptors in the novel. There should be no outrage that black actors were chosen, and it is monumentally racist that people consider the portrayals to be "less innocent" or "story-ruining" because the actors are black. End of story. I don't know how anyone can argue.
They could have cast green people painted brown for all I care. The TC falt out said "dark brown skin == black person," which is a bad assumption. That's where I'm coming from.It doesn't matter if they could be portrayed as other races with dark brown skin. The issue is that having black actors is certainly apt considering the descriptors in the novel. There should be no outrage that black actors were chosen, and it is monumentally racist that people consider the portrayals to be "less innocent" or "story-ruining" because the actors are black. End of story. I don't know how anyone can argue.
ShuLordLiuPei
Read the books, have trouble seeing characters in my head, thought she was white, was surprised she was black, moved on, enjoyed the movie. Every character I read about I always picture as white unless race is a significant part of the book (which I usually hate).
They did a great job with the casting to be honest. I can't wait to see the next one.
Let's fix the book so there's no further confusion and racist idiocy, shall we? It'll take exactly two words.
Suzanne Collins' version:
And most hauntingly, a twelve-year old girl from District 11. She has dark brown skin and eyes, but other than that, she's very like Prim in size and demeanor.The Hunger Games
Same sentence, with an edit that clarifies what she allegedly was aiming for:
And most hauntingly, a twelve-year old girl from District 11. She has dark brown (ALMOST BLACK) skin and eyes, but other than that, she's very like Prim in size and demeanor.The Hunger Games
Holy s***, Rue's black!!! The casting guys got it right!!!
It still doesn't excuse Jennifer Lawrence as Katniss, by the way. She should have had darker hair and skin (she looks like she only stepped outside long enough to shoot some action shots, then ducked back into her dressing room, not like the accomplished hunter in the novels).
It seems like most of the idiots went without reading the book. I can clearly remember reading that Rue and Cinna were dark-skinned.
It still doesn't excuse Jennifer Lawrence as Katniss, by the way. She should have had darker hair and skin (she looks like she only stepped outside long enough to shoot some action shots, then ducked back into her dressing room, not like the accomplished hunter in the novels).
OrkHammer007
[QUOTE="foxhound_fox"]Never go to Youtube TC, you'll die from the comments alone.King-Kai
I see racist comments on YouTube every day. They don't affect me. I created this thread not because I'm personally hurt or suprised (I'm neither), but because I simply think it's worth discussing. That's all.
Then discuss it, but don't get ticked off and start insulting people when they express a view different from your own.Nope ... I imagined them all as black. Though I imagined Cato as asian though because the name sounded like the Green Hornet side kick who is asian.
It also sounds like the Roman statesman/philosopher (and his grandfather) who was named... wait for it... "Cato."Nope ... I imagined them all as black. Though I imagined Cato as asian though because the name sounded like the Green Hornet side kick who is asian.
greenskittles
I would understand the anger if the cannon characters weren't black. Like I'd rage and stuff at a black Spiderman or a white storm. Ultimate Nick was actually based on Mr Jackson that's why he was used."I know, rue is too black for what I pictured." lmao... the girl that plays her is light skinned. wtf?
I hope these aren't Marvel fans either because they'll be greatly disappointed with Nick Fury in the Avengers.
flipin_jackass
It also sounds like the Roman statesman/philosopher (and his grandfather) who was named... wait for it... "Cato."[QUOTE="greenskittles"]
Nope ... I imagined them all as black. Though I imagined Cato as asian though because the name sounded like the Green Hornet side kick who is asian.
ShuLordLiuPei
Good point .. that just shows you my ancient roman history education.
Let's fix the book so there's no further confusion and racist idiocy, shall we? It'll take exactly two words.
Suzanne Collins' version:
[quote="The Hunger Games"]And most hauntingly, a twelve-year old girl from District 11. She has dark brown skin and eyes, but other than that, she's very like Prim in size and demeanor.OrkHammer007
Same sentence, with an edit that clarifies what she allegedly was aiming for:
And most hauntingly, a twelve-year old girl from District 11. She has dark brown (ALMOST BLACK) skin and eyes, but other than that, she's very like Prim in size and demeanor.The Hunger Games
Holy s***, Rue's black!!! The casting guys got it right!!!
It still doesn't excuse Jennifer Lawrence as Katniss, by the way. She should have had darker hair and skin (she looks like she only stepped outside long enough to shoot some action shots, then ducked back into her dressing room, not like the accomplished hunter in the novels).
Jennifer's acting skill made up for the distinction, I thought the movies casting was perfect. Best movie of 2012 so far IMO.I want them to stick to the books. Anyone who has a problem with another person just because of skin collor can just deal with it. It's life.
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